Maybe that's the difference. In the Military you are trained to be a soldier first, then your specialization. So yes if you hand that cook a rifle he is going to know what to do with it and most units have to qualify with a rifle every year.
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Maybe that's the difference. In the Military you are trained to be a soldier first, then your specialization. So yes if you hand that cook a rifle he is going to know what to do with it and most units have to qualify with a rifle every year.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes. And that police officer would have been trained at some point too. But there would be lower expectation of performance to perform in combat beyond a basic level correct ? Would that navy cook be expected to perform small unit tactics to the level that an infantry man would beyond holding a position ?
Not all LEO positions or departments are the same .
Better example. Broward County sheriff’s department were police officers but Coral Springs PD were cops during parkland .
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spat
.950 JDJ
The notion of "civilians" is used colloquially in many professions to refer to outsiders.
It only properly applies to military.
The plumbers union probably considers you a "civilian" if you go to unclog your own toilet too.
Additionally, they certainly were legally obtained.
maverick52
.223 Rem
“You boys can get me. But I’m taking 10 or 12 of you with me. I’ll start with you…” Wyatt Earp
Do you honestly believe, truly, that after seeing some being potentially injured or killed that the balance of the 100 would continue to approach? Human behavior simply doesn't work that way.
But our training doesn't end at basic training. It continues throughout your time in service.
You are correct that a cook would not perform an L shaped ambush as well as a infantry unit but if that cook was called to supplement in an infantry unit he/she could.
You are correct that a cook would not perform an L shaped ambush as well as a infantry unit but if that cook was called to supplement in an infantry unit he/she could.
spat
.950 JDJ
In the police world the guys walking around wearing a uniform would be the everyday grunts.
The guys with a desk working financial or cyber crimes would be the highly trained special operations types.
The guys working undercover would be the CIA spooks that *nobody* should trust.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes and no. Uniform guys would be the grunts . Detectives or plainclothes would be the special operators and the spies would be the undercover cops.
Financial crimes would tend to be a completely different branch but that capacity can also in the police force, depending on the department.
The FBI might be more like special forces in many ways because they use the local talent ( local police) to get the mission accomplished. But unlike special forces, a lot of FBI agents have no street smarts ( some do) . They, in general , are good with electronic and paper trails however.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes, I understand that they would . Cops get the training in the police academy etc etc and get continuous training . Some good , some bad . But if you don’t do it all the time , that skill set is not developed and can even diminish. More importantly it’s a mind set .A “police officer” can rise to the occasion, but the “ cop” is already there or proven themselves.
My faulty attempt to explain it was what was at fault here.
Maybe a better comparison might have be how there are soldiers but they aren’t all grunts .
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Did you watch the video of the Range Rover I posted? That's exactly what happened.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I disagree "that's exactly what happened". It's sort of what happened, but not really. Consider -
The driver, right or wrong, believed it was reasonable to use lethal force. And at that point, the strategy they should use is exactly the same as any other lethal force. In the case of a firearm, for example, you'd shoot until the threat was stopped. Notice that the corpse-count is irrelevant.
Pretty sure that's what JC was referring to. You certainly wouldn't run over a couple of guys and just turn tail on the threat, like was done in that video. If you decided to egress, you'd keep fighting during egress. Every inch of that highway would be covered in gore. That is NOT what happened in that video.
Just sayin.
spat
.950 JDJ
The 2nd wave of bikers did not have to drag their compatriots bodies out of the way to continue the pursuit. So, you are right, that was not what happened.
If they did, I suspect they would not have continued.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
as far as I can tell, the RR made a couple serious errors. One, when he had a chance, when there were just 6 or 7 bike behind him, Hit the brakes. let them run into you, they were will over 60 mph, they would have never been able to stop or swerve in time to avoid a collision. then take off. Continue this while your on the phone to the police. When a few more get behind you, do it again. Swerve left and right, after awhile, this assholes will realize they won't survive the encounter.
I drove MC for 30 years, no biker can beat a cager, especially if the cager is determined to do you harm. I have had a couple incidents where a cager was "after me" but ( not to brag ) but Im really good on two wheels, well at least I use to be.
It all depends on how WILLING you are to survive this kind of attack, and how WILLING you are to harm another person. Personally, I seriously doubt I will ever be in this situation, but you never know? I don't plan to ever be in this situation, because I'll never be in another the inner city as long as I live, hopefully
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i tried searching Google for a Navy Seal that is also a Cook .. i got Casey Ryback LOL
when i went in the Navy it was for Optical Man .. works on navigational optics , gun sights .. and up to periscopes
and i also did 2 weeks in the Galley at boot camp cooking and cleaning ..
i can be one or the other or both
when i went in the Navy it was for Optical Man .. works on navigational optics , gun sights .. and up to periscopes
and i also did 2 weeks in the Galley at boot camp cooking and cleaning ..
i can be one or the other or both
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I stand correctedi tried searching Google for a Navy Seal that is also a Cook .. i got Casey Ryback LOL
when i went in the Navy it was for Optical Man .. works on navigational optics , gun sights .. and up to periscopes
and i also did 2 weeks in the Galley at boot camp cooking and cleaning ..
i can be one or the other or both
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
As a motorcyclist and sometime motorcycle racer (I sucked but had fun), the only strength a motorcycle has in a conflict with a cage is ability to change speed and direction quicker than most, and to pass through smaller spaces… in other words, evasion. That’s it. As an assault platform the motorcycle is laughably poor, unless it’s for guerrilla style run-gun-flee maneuvers.
In even a small car or truck, I would guess that you could incapacitate a large number of such a mob before your vehicle would be rendered unusable. Likely enough to deter the remaining assailants… like most criminals they depend on a certain level of meekness and non confrontational behavior. Absent that moral restraint and faced with their compatriots being run over, I would fully expect most to flee like rats from a bright light.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Dude in the RR was fucked no matter what due to the shear numbers he was overwhelmed by. Running over a bunch of them was about his only option, but that wasn't going to make the rest tuck tail and run. It actually made them angrier and more aggressive.
spat
.950 JDJ
Then keep running over them.
If the bodies get to high, that's what 4WD is for.
You don't stop until the vehicle is incapacitated.
Back over a few. That'll make them think twice about coming up behind you.
Smear a few against the k-rails, they'll change their mind about the side too.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
True story.
No need to drive 90mph to escape, either. 35 or 40 would do fine for the purposes outlined above.
spat
.950 JDJ
Yep.
Anything faster than they can run is sufficient. Forces them to stay on the bikes limiting their agility.
Then you treat them like what tank drivers call "crunchies".
Felonies on the New York City Subways Surged Compared to 2021
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Congratulations horchul voters!
GTN
.308 Win
If you live to go to court
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
1.) Hochul the Horrible often points out that her number one responsibility as the Governor is the safety of NYers.
2.) She also says that she takes that responsibility seriously.
Maybe #1 is true.
But #2 obviously isn't.
The stats prove that.
But she says that she doesn't need stats...
2.) She also says that she takes that responsibility seriously.
Maybe #1 is true.
But #2 obviously isn't.
The stats prove that.
But she says that she doesn't need stats...
It just keeps getting better and better:
hotair.com
They really want to drive all "evil, greedy landlords" out of the city.
Next up fighting NYC crime wave? Preventing landlords from doing criminal background checks on prospective tenants
They voted themselves in a couple of gems, these New York City folks did. Between actually electing
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They really want to drive all "evil, greedy landlords" out of the city.