NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[cprstn54]

It would be nice if the NYS Rifle & Pistol Assoc. could just go back to the Supreme Court seeking to hold Hochul and the bill's sponsors in contempt, with $10 million/day personal fines, followed by civil arrest if no timely compliance. They could also strike all NY weapon restrictions in the meanwhile.

 

[livingston]

New York gun group promises swift response to new carry restrictions​

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association executive director Tom King tells Cam that the attempts by New York Democrats to defy the Supreme Court's opinion on the right to bear arms in public by imposing sweeping "gun-free zones", draconian training mandates, and more will be challenged.

 

[dr. wesson]

Yes, it is definitely stricter than before. Even those with a Hunting/Target license were allowed verbatim by The Book to stop for food, refreshments, gas while carrying to and from the range (at least that's how it was in Nassau). That was not considered a administrative violation at all. It was done for years without any problems. Now that will be criminalized.

 

[mca90guitar]

Fuck this shit.

 

[HEX]

Did I read it say if you were issued a permit before 2022 you do not need the certificate of training? This thing is hard to read.

I could be very much mistaken, as I've barely had time to make sense of it, but the way I read it was that current permit holders would all have to take whatever the training before being able to recertify.

That though, if true, is incredibly insidious beyond anything I've seen mentioned here because the recertification date for all people holding permits prior to 2013 (probably the large majority) would have to be THIS year. (5 years after 2013 was 2018, now 5 years again). The way I read it, it would go into effect immediately, which would give the large majority of permit holders a pretty short time to get this 'training' to be eligible to recertify..on what..a curriculum that doesn't even exist yet for all we know ?
It doesn't appear to give any grace period, so what about all the permit holders who recertified in July or August. They'd have no time at all to comply with getting this 'training', so...they just can't recertify ?

For once, I hope I'm wrong about this.

 

[spat]

That’s because she knows something we don’t know. Maybe they plan to pack the court and overturn those rulings like the current justices did with Roe. That was a bad decision

That's going to be pretty hard to manage before November.

They won't have the senate after that.

 

[livingston]

New York gun group promises swift response to new carry restrictions​

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association executive director Tom King tells Cam that the attempts by New York Democrats to defy the Supreme Court's opinion on the right to bear arms in public by imposing sweeping "gun-free zones", draconian training mandates, and more will be challenged.

From the comments section from Youtube posted above

poas000​

21 hours ago
If they get to pass the training requirements in NYC, I only know of a gun range in Manhattan (Westside Rifle & Pistol Range) located at 20th street. If they designate subways as sensitive places prohibited to carry, how is someone supposed to train going to get to the range in a city were if you own a car is nearly impossible to find a parking space to get the training ?

 

[spat]

I’m sure they have succeeded but this new crap makes me not want to be a gun owner anymore. I just bought two self defense pistols and I don’t know why I even bothered. I won’t legally be allowed to carry a gun anywhere I go most days. I will be able to carry pretty much for my walk around the neighborhood and that’s it, even then I’d better not step on a neighbor’s driveway or damn I’m a criminal.
This can’t stand.

Time to cut your losses and take your tax dollars to a state that will appreciate them instead of squandering (or embezzling) them.

 

[spat]

I am not being sarcastic here, and I am not a liberal, either. But it is clear that this bill is racist.

I am a rural resident, and yes, I will be affected by this, and no I don't like it. But I see a number of workarounds already.

There is a carve-out for security. There is a carve-out for hunting. If I am hiking and some of the trail goes through a private property easement, no problem. So I can go to work and I can enjoy my favorite hobby which is hiking.

Training requirements which seem to become less strict if you have had a license already. Many of my days in New York will be unaffected by this.

Compare that to no public transportation, no parks, no businesses, no social gatherings.

City people. Those that never had a license before and would get one if they could carry. Restrictions like crazy.

Almost everything city people do is prohibited.

Think about it.

The origin of most gun control is racism. Going all the way back to the beginning.

The little bit that isn't racist is classist.

The only point of taxes like the NFA (or the recent suggestions for prohibitive gun or ammo taxes) is to restrict gun ownership to the rich.

 

[Steal2B]

I could be very much mistaken, as I've barely had time to make sense of it, but the way I read it was that current permit holders would all have to take whatever the training before being able to recertify.

That though, if true, is incredibly insidious beyond anything I've seen mentioned here because the recertification date for all people holding permits prior to 2013 (probably the large majority) would have to be THIS year. (5 years after 2013 was 2018, now 5 years again). The way I read it, it would go into effect immediately, which would give the large majority of permit holders a pretty short time to get this 'training' to be eligible to recertify..on what..a curriculum that doesn't even exist yet for all we know ?
It doesn't appear to give any grace period, so what about all the permit holders who recertified in July or August. They'd have no time at all to comply with getting this 'training', so...they just can't recertify ?

For once, I hope I'm wrong about this.

I am afraid you may be correct as of 12 or so hours ago. Although it was not in the bill, my guess is there would be grace period to recertify with the NYSP like was practiced during "COVID" times.

 

[Figment]

I just recertified my permit online 6 months early, and called my Father in Law who did the same several months early. Hopefully any nonsense they pass today will be after 7/1 and we can avoid this crap for 5 years. It can't really hurt.

 

[That_FNG]

The way I read it is you have to be working as security and can carry while working. It'll take me a couple more reads to understand it more.

So if my girlfriend hires me as her full time personal private bodyguard would that qualify?

 

[spat]

I just recertified my permit online 6 months early, and called my Father in Law who did the same several months early. Hopefully any nonsense they pass today will be after 7/1 and we can avoid this crap for 5 years. It can't really hurt.

With luck it will be struck down before the 5 years hits.


I would suggest everyone recert now, to delay the BS as long as possible. Even if you're 2 years away.

 

[That_FNG]

I just recertified my permit online 6 months early, and called my Father in Law who did the same several months early. Hopefully any nonsense they pass today will be after 7/1 and we can avoid this crap for 5 years. It can't really hurt.

I have 3 years left before I have to decertify. Could I do it this early and reset the 5 year timer?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I just recertified my permit online 6 months early, and called my Father in Law who did the same several months early. Hopefully any nonsense they pass today will be after 7/1 and we can avoid this crap for 5 years. It can't really hurt.

How early can we recertify?

I think I'm due next spring

 

[Figment]

How early can we recertify?

I think I'm due next spring

I did not see any indication in their FAQ or form that there is a restriction to recert early. Mine was do in Jan 2023, I'm sure it'll take yours.

 

[Saltwater60]

Time to cut your losses and take your tax dollars to a state that will appreciate them instead of squandering (or embezzling) them.

That’s complicated right now.

 

[enigma]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

That’s complicated right now.

I totally understand. It's the only reason I'm still here.

 

[benttwig]

I have 3 years left before I have to decertify. Could I do it this early and reset the 5 year timer?

I already tried online and it tells me that I am not eligible until November of next year. I also called the phone number to ask about being able to re-certify early using the paper forms and the officer informed me that the training doesn't apply to existing permit holders. I have no idea what to believe.

 

[Steal2B]

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[HEX]

With luck it will be struck down before the 5 years hits.

I would suggest everyone recert now, to delay the BS as long as possible. Even if you're 2 years away.

The problem there is that it may be too late. If this goes into effect as dated, as in today, as it appears to, then re-certifying right now could be re-certifying without the prerequisite training requirement and end in a denial.

 

[subsonic]

The "Criminal possession of a weapon in a restricted location" makes it a felony to bring a rifle or shotgun to a motel, hotel, or any other lodging statewide as well, unless it was posted as permissible.

 

[Steal2B]

The problem there is that it may be too late. If this goes into effect as dated, as in today, as it appears to, then re-certifying right now could be re-certifying without the prerequisite training requirement and end in a denial.

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I was also told (by an Albany bureaucrat, not NYSP) that last night there were drafts which would change 5 year NYSP recertification frequencies to 3 year NYSP recertification

 

[WestchesterDoc]

I’m not an attorney, so my thoughts on this might be totally off. But having now had our constitutional right established to carry concealed, I’d proffer that the business restriction is unconstitutional right along side not being able to restrict selling by race, or sex. I’d go so far as to say that businesses, generally open to the public, cannot even post “no carry allowed” as that would be tantamount to posting a sign saying we only serve men. Might be different for a private residence or a business not generally open to the public, but the 2A is not an inferior amendment (paraphrase from Justice Thomas). I would think an injunction at the district court level is not beyond a reasonable outcome…and that does not take a huge amount of time versus a full blow litigation.

Maybe a lawyer could weigh in?

 

[BuffNiag]

NY Dem Hochul on to show if concealed carry permit holders commit crimes: "I don't need numbers!"

NY Dem Hochul on to show if concealed carry permit holders commit crimes: "I don't need numbers!"

rumble.com

 

[LibertyWins]

This draft is ridiculous! On page 23 the draft states that ALL ammunition sales are not only subject to a NICs BGC, but must also be recorded to a dataset/database maintained by any seller of ammunition or dealer, and that database must be kept accessible to NYSP. At least this is my understanding of the text.

All sales of ammunition shall include the 'Date, Name, Age, Occupation & Residence of any person from whom ammunition is received or to whom ammunition's is delivered, and the amount, caliber, manufacturer's name and serial number".

As somewhat of a prepper who often makes purchases of 1,000+ rounds every few months to stock pile and practice often at the range, I don't think I'll be stock piling anymore in NY. Not if every purchase is going to be on the books like this, it will obviously look suspicious to them, not to mention the possibility of a copy of the database getting leaked online, like what just happened in CA. I'm guessing we can say goodbye to online ammo purchases if this passes as it's written, I doubt out of state sellers are going to bother selling to NY.

 

[Saltwater60]

I already tried online and it tells me that I am not eligible until November of next year. I also called the phone number to ask about being able to re-certify early using the paper forms and the officer informed me that the training doesn't apply to existing permit holders. I have no idea what to believe.

The laws not passed so he has no clue.

 

[Saltwater60]

The problem there is that it may be too late. If this goes into effect as dated, as in today, as it appears to, then re-certifying right now could be re-certifying without the prerequisite training requirement and end in a denial.

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I believe it said it will go in effect to the September after it is passed and that’s why they did the special session or there would be almost a year before it’s implemented.

 

[camper4lyfe]

This draft is ridiculous! On page 23 the draft states that ALL ammunition sales are not only subject to a NICs BGC, but must also be recorded to a dataset/database maintained by any seller of ammunition or dealer, and that database must be kept accessible to NYSP. At least this is my understanding of the text.

All sales of ammunition shall include the 'Date, Name, Age, Occupation & Residence of any person from whom ammunition is received or to whom ammunition's is delivered, and the amount, caliber, manufacturer's name and serial number".

As somewhat of a prepper who often makes purchases of 1,000+ rounds every few months to stock pile and practice often at the range, I don't think I'll be stock piling anymore in NY. Not if every purchase is going to be on the books like this, it will obviously look suspicious to them, not to mention the possibility of a copy of the database getting leaked online, like what just happened in CA. I'm guessing we can say goodbye to online ammo purchases if this passes as it's written, I doubt out of state sellers are going to bother selling to NY.

And NICS already told NYS to fuck off when they tried to use it for ammo BGCs 9 years ago with the SAFE bullshit.