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NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision
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Blimey
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My prediction for what it is worth is that SCOTUS does smack this down. They ask the very obvious question: Why do celebrities, judges, ex-cops get to carry but not everybody else? The defendants will also have an exceptionally difficult time proving that the proliferation of licensed individuals will appreciably increase illegal shootings. I'm positive they will try to mesh non-criminal, licensed carriers with hoodlums and how more guns are increasing shootings but it isn't a reasonable argument since the two groups could not be further apart.
As for permitting I expect that the permits will be granted but take laughably long periods of time. There's no chance SCOTUS extends to say constitutional carry is a thing, so this will be permits. They need to pre-empt and give the state/county a reasonable maximum amount of time (90 days?). Some of the 1-2 year stuff I read about in some counties is damn near a ban.
I think we can expect a 5:4 or a 6:3. Hopefully none of the conservative judges (which Roberts is not one of) doesn't leave the court before ruling and put it in jeopardy.
As for permitting I expect that the permits will be granted but take laughably long periods of time. There's no chance SCOTUS extends to say constitutional carry is a thing, so this will be permits. They need to pre-empt and give the state/county a reasonable maximum amount of time (90 days?). Some of the 1-2 year stuff I read about in some counties is damn near a ban.
I think we can expect a 5:4 or a 6:3. Hopefully none of the conservative judges (which Roberts is not one of) doesn't leave the court before ruling and put it in jeopardy.
Blimey
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Truth but I think this was always the matter of "oops we forgot to" kind of thing; I have no doubt that NY lawmakers will think of all the ways they can fuddle this up and that is certainly one of them. Of course, it's a very difficult thing to enforce without metal detectors and if you actually need to use your gun to defend yourself you're unlikely to worry about whatever misdemeanor is associated with carrying in a store you shouldn't have been in.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
There is also a bill pending for new training and firearms proficiency with a two year required renewal.
Awesome sauce
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
We know that California style restrictions will come here... Can they ban guns that they find are in common use... Maybe try to anyway. If we win this case will registration still be in force... I believe that is for certain. If they cannot ban the gun then Type of ammo (hollow points ). Amount one can buy in a month... Limit to 1 mag/month per gun.. That's a good one ... Try to have background checks for ammo... Perhaps needing an Ammo card .. One can own a handgun without a permit but you need a permit to but ammo. . Now one will have a paper weight without ammo. ,, These folks will not stop ... That we can be sure of.
So I take it you support doing away with the Filibuster?
Senate Vote 100 - Rejects Cornyn Concealed Carry Reciprocity Proposal
Bill: S.649 - A bill to ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed i... Description: To allow reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms. Result: Amendment Rejected by a margin of 3 votes (60 percent majority needed to pass) Date: April 17, 2013 at 5:06 p.m. EDT (vote source) *Includes members who did not vote or voted "present"
R D I Total Yes 44 13 0 57 13
44No 1 40 2 43 40
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Focus! Stick to the subject at hand, don't make any assumptions or go on tangents... I said exactly what I meant! Don't take it anywhere else.
Scrutiny of a RIGHT! And the "APPLICATION" thereof!
Simple...
Yeah, some of the commentary lent to that exactly, or, they may find the arbitrary requirement of "need" too far out to condone, but allow for sensitive "timing and place" like yelling fire in a theatre restrictions to be incorporated. It's for the kids after all and all those holiday revelers...
Honestly, I don't understand the direction of that type of questioning because it's obtuse to the issue. Namely the arbitrary issuance of "permission" to exercise a Right! Especially that it differs by County or administrator handling the application!
But I would love, absolutely love NY to get bitch slapped here, regardless of what may come! The ripples and shockwaves in the collective liberal progressive consortium would be like a Rev. Moon wedding but all suffering Linda Blair headspins and green vomiting!!! That moment... That moment would be priceless! See the news commentators talking about the VA election results!? I would imagine those 7 States effected by the ruling to fly flags at half staff too...
It would be wonderful! But I don't have high hopes for anything that favors the citizenry! Those days are long gone!
Lastly, I'll leave with the fact that nobody talked about those words...
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
and what that means...
How it's the only RIGHT with such explicit instruction!
An oversight or intentional avoidance!?!?
We "know" that answer...
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I want to know how you’re supposed to show proficiency, to get a permit, with a firearm you’re not legally allowed to touch let alone own and practice with.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Just means they'll need to teach it as a full semester class, every year, from K to 12 lol.
nortatoga
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Celt
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Supreme Court Likely to Hold New York Law Violates Second Amendment Supreme Court Likely to Hold New York Law Violates Second Amendment
Wtf is up with Barrett? Who cares how crowded a place is, isit a right or not?
Wtf is up with Barrett? Who cares how crowded a place is, isit a right or not?
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I've become convinced that Barrett's only intention on the Supreme Court is to strike down Roe v. Wade and doesn't really give a shit about anything else.
Perhaps more importantly...holy shit...this is Barbara Underwood? The woman who is representing NYS in the case?
God Damn. What the hell is going on in the NYAG's office to create so much ugly?
fnfalguy
.308 Win
Appointed by sex criminals FUAC and Schneiderman. I guess they did it to resist temptation.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
So the chance of having permits thrown out completely is what.... ?
Some folks in North Carolina just applied for carry permits. Had to shoot 20-30 rounds into a man size target 6-8 feet away
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
BMF JK
.44 mag
I’m beginning to loathe this woman as much as her predecessor .
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Having not read it, I'm guessing she's saying she will do her best to ignore Constitutional law and SCOTUS rulings as her predecessor did?
Xae289
.223 Rem
Who really expected any better than FUAC on this issue?
The "common sense" ship sailed a long time ago when the complainant was denied a CC permit. I bet that Rensselear County judge is really kicking themself now.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
SCOTUS Appears To Suggest New York Gun Law Infringes On Second Amendment
Celt
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They love to mix legally armed citizens in with "the scourge of gun violence". They make it seem like the legally armed citizens are the ones killing people all the time. its the criminals, and gangs that are doing this
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
We are deplorable terrorists in liberals eyes ...
They are willfully ignorant. It was on full display yesterday with the dumbass SG.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
How the Most Recent Supreme Court Case Will Affect Us Here in Washington State.
Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses today's oral arguments in the matter of New York Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. The issue before the Supreme Court today, in a rare instance of the Court accepting review of a Second Amendment case, is whether New York State's oppressive concealed carry law violates the right of self-defense as guaranteed by our Constitution.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You mean like police officers have to do for LEOSA ( once a year) or the NYS exemption to keep their old service sidearm ( every three years) .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I am more concerned when they brought up “ sensitive areas “ in the argument and used a public street corner ( Times Square) or public transportation like the subway in the hearing .
I see them doing what they attempted to do in Chicago like 1000 ft of a school, church, hospital being declared “ sensitive areas as well as restaurants that serve alcohol( even if you aren’t drinking ) etc.
I see them doing what they attempted to do in Chicago like 1000 ft of a school, church, hospital being declared “ sensitive areas as well as restaurants that serve alcohol( even if you aren’t drinking ) etc.
maverick52
.223 Rem
Same thing in Texas. But I don’t have a problem with that. If you can’t put a round in the center of a silhouette at 6-8 feet…you probably shouldn’t be carrying.
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livingston
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Text, History and Tradition – Not Interest Balancing – At the Heart of Supreme Court’s New York Gun Rights Case
Yesterday, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument in New York State Rifle & Pistol v. Bruen, a challenge to New York State’s discretionary concealed carry licensing scheme, which requires New Yorkers to demonstrate to the satisfaction of a government bureaucrat that they have some sort of special, individualized, good cause before being permitted to carry a firearm for self-defense.
Since Heller and McDonald were decided in 2008 and 2010, the only time that a Second Amendment case has been before the U.S. Supreme Court on the merits was two years ago in New York State Rifle & Pistol v. New York. Unfortunately, that case eventually was determined by the Court to be moot, after the city quickly moved to repeal its offending law, in a deliberate scheme to avoid a certain Supreme Court loss.
Justice Barrett’s addition to the Court, replacing Justice Ginsburg, has heightened the hopes of the gun community that the Supreme Court will bring the lower federal courts into line by finally requiring compliance with the Heller and McDonald decisions. We are optimistic that, with six Republican President-appointed justices, the Court will give gun owners a win in this case, but it’s entirely uncertain what any potential victory might look like.
Often, not much can be learned from oral argument, but a few observations should be made.
Text, History and Tradition - Not Interest Balancing - At the Heart of Supreme Court's New York Gun Rights Case - The Truth About Guns
By John Velleco Yesterday, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument in New York State Rifle & Pistol v. Bruen, a challenge to New York State’s discretionary concealed carry licensing scheme, which requires New Yorkers to demonstrate to the satisfaction of a government bureaucrat that they have...
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
maverick52
.223 Rem
If she’s so committed to getting guns off the streets, the why doesn’t she let the cops do their jobs and go after criminals. Instead she wants to criminalize law abiding citizens.