GOYABEAN
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C'mon man
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Off Duty Cop Attempts to Arrest Man for Littering?
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C'mon man
I just watched this video a couple days ago.
This is 100% ego driven. Little dick syndrome.
Regardless if the littering was on purpose or by accidents by the little girl, there is so many different ways to handle something like this. This little cop could have just come out said something like excuse me y'all drop some trash on my lawn do you mind picking it up?
To toss your badge out the way he did shows that he is a very weak individual. His badge and his choice of employment had nothing to do with this..
FRANKIE
.308 Win
I think this detective realized how bad he fucked up but it was to late. Now he’ll have time off. For ever, to identify and treat his psychotic condition. It also causes so much havoc for the officers responding to a call like this.
$80 make nice? don’t go a long ways these days. (you know with inflation and all…) On the other side of the coin, while not excusing this officers actions, I trust that most police officers know that there are people that live for shit like this and should avoid any contact with them
like the plague.
$80 make nice? don’t go a long ways these days. (you know with inflation and all…) On the other side of the coin, while not excusing this officers actions, I trust that most police officers know that there are people that live for shit like this and should avoid any contact with them
like the plague.
In my boredom these past few days, I have watching a lot of these cop/citizen videos on YouTube. It really does amaze me the attitude of so many officers. Some do the wrong thing out of ignorance, but so many do the wrong thing because they are such small, meaningless men and women.
It is so easy to do the right thing. It is easy to not be a dick all of the time. So easy to handle situations in a professional manner. It really is.
There is a time to "turn" it up. So many go full force out of the gate. Some of these YouTubers are complete Douche bags, I get that. But these officers that feed into this shit is amazing.
Whenever I am involved in an incident, that incident/situation will always be controlled by me. I do not say that out of arrogance, I say that because it is true. I will dictate what goes on and how things proceed. Saying this, does not mean I or any other officer needs to be an asshole about it.
I have a feeling the cop in to above video was picked on a lot as a child and throughout his teens.
It is so easy to do the right thing. It is easy to not be a dick all of the time. So easy to handle situations in a professional manner. It really is.
There is a time to "turn" it up. So many go full force out of the gate. Some of these YouTubers are complete Douche bags, I get that. But these officers that feed into this shit is amazing.
Whenever I am involved in an incident, that incident/situation will always be controlled by me. I do not say that out of arrogance, I say that because it is true. I will dictate what goes on and how things proceed. Saying this, does not mean I or any other officer needs to be an asshole about it.
I have a feeling the cop in to above video was picked on a lot as a child and throughout his teens.
He's lucky he's not being passed around in cell block D every night.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Being that a— hole is often a point of view.
Watch this CCW person ( assuming he has one) tell his war story and ask should he face 20 years in jail. Or honestly serious jail time for his actions — it’s all in your point of view
If you don’t feel for this guy, you don’t have a daughter -lol
And most of you would do half of what he did ATLEAST
Watch this CCW person ( assuming he has one) tell his war story and ask should he face 20 years in jail. Or honestly serious jail time for his actions — it’s all in your point of view
If you don’t feel for this guy, you don’t have a daughter -lol
And most of you would do half of what he did ATLEAST
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RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Nearly 700k LEO's in the country. So in order to label just 1% of them as idiots, there would need to be 7k videos pointed them out.
Video's like this are meant to create the idea that its a bigger problem than it really is. But departments need to recognize this and have a zero tolerance policy on it. The blue wall of silence need some adjustments for sure. Police should police themselves but keep in mind departments are like any other work enviroment where office politics are in play. lol
Video's like this are meant to create the idea that its a bigger problem than it really is. But departments need to recognize this and have a zero tolerance policy on it. The blue wall of silence need some adjustments for sure. Police should police themselves but keep in mind departments are like any other work enviroment where office politics are in play. lol
So, I see this man as a bit out of control. I feel a bit for him, I do. As a parent of children, there is not much that I would not do to protect my sons.
The breaking and entering at the second home, that can have a pass due to him making amends with the "Friend"/homeowner.
The first house, where he kicked in a door an assaulted an occupant, if that was my home that he did this to and if he attacked a friend of my child that was a guest in my home, I would be pressing any and all charges against him.
Not sure what this video offers in regards to the asshole cop that attacked a man walking on the street.
spat
.950 JDJ
There probably are 7k videos like this floating around.
And 1% is enough to poison the public against the whole industry.
To regain the trust, the 1% asshats need to not only be weeded out and punished, but it needs to happen publicly.
Right now the public perception is that guys like this get a slap on the wrist, and end up doing the job again at another department.
Many officers will disarm a citizen during a stop "for their safety" when far less than 1% of the people are a danger. They feel this is fully justified.
Now, apply that logic to a citizen who is stopped by an officer from a department where 1% of the officers are perceived to be a danger to the citizen. Hell, I want to disarm the officer for *my* safety.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Not sure who is a bigger prick. The off duty cop or the cop that pulled up in his car in the middle of things.
I have always this one was funny. Not all of the time, most times, I laugh. If these types of officers are so damn afraid all of the time, they should find a different line of work.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Imagine the stuff that some police get away with because it isn't being filmed.
BTW, I especially loved the groveling the scumbag did when apologizing.
BTW, I especially loved the groveling the scumbag did when apologizing.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
So the turd is being charged AND is out 80 bucks?!?!?! 
You have no idea. None
I'll shake your hand, if "YOU ARE MAN ENOUGH TO SHAKE IT". love it. Asshole is still feeling the need to be a douche bag.
thughes
.223 Rem
Yeah, I'm guessing the female cop's partner told this dick he better kiss some serious hind titty because the citizen has him dead-to-rights on felony assault. How'd that work out for him?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You have no idea what you are talking about. 1% ? 1% of what? The general population as a whole ?
That’s like looking at the entire military personnel and declaring Afghanistan statically safe.
And in the first desert storm campaign, it was statistically safer there than in the US. 148 combat deaths vs how many deployed? Over 500, 000 deployed there. Your statics game doesn’t work. Most of the LE in this statistics including the annual report do not regularly perform car stops .
Public perception is far from reality — if fact most cops see the discipline system as arbitrary and unfair. And the vast majority of on duty incidents where the cop was arrested and charged - Or even just fired — the cop was persecuted for political sake.
Let’s just hit the high profile ones— Mike Brown, the Freddie Grey case.
What about where there were calls for the prosecution—- Freddie Grey, the girl who tried to stab someone in front of the cop.
And those are involving deaths . Go look at the statistics of the civilian complaint review board in NYC . I use them as an example because it’s an all civilian run agency dedicated to screwing over cops. They find that 90% of the complaints are unfounded . And that’s without the cop being able to present a defense.
The reason is that press and YouTube edit or make false comments as to the law or what really happened all the time — that site lackluster is often misleading at best at times . They make money on the controversy or have an agenda.
They take these people’s accusations on their word or an edited tape all the time .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s in the point of view of who is the asshole . As opposed to making a mistake .
Kicking in the door of a private home is not a mistake. Breaking into another persons home is not a mistake. Rifling through another persons belongings is not a mistake. Maybe falling though the ceiling was a mistake. These were not mistakes. The guy in your video is just an asshole.
The guy in the original post, he did not make a mistake. he knew exactly what he was doing. I hope he is convicted and I hope he serves some jail time. Not a shit ton of time, but enough to understand that his actions are not acceptable,
That's what I'm thinking. It's hard to hear their conversation but he's siding with the off duty cop even though there's video proof against the cop. How can he be allowed to stay on the job when he's obviously biased towards protecting cops even when there's proof they are in the wrong?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
If the daughter was in that house or houses, would you see his actions the same way?
Yes. And, as I stated in my above post, I would be hard pressed not to do the same. His actions can be good and illegal/unlawful at the same time.
He broke dozens of laws, his reasons for that breakage of laws does not make it okay. He still violated property of others and assaulted others.
Not sure what your angle is on this.
spat
.950 JDJ
You can have both overzealous prosecution of non issues, *and* allowing serious ones to go unpunished at the same time.
It's the hallmark of a badly broken system.
Just like some guy getting prison time for leaving his pistol in the glove compartment and driving from PA to NY, meanwhile some other guy gets no bailed for armed robbery.
1% of the group in question.
It would be the general public for the cop who disarms everyone he talks to.
It would be 1% of the law enforcement community for the citizen who is afraid when he gets pulled over.
And, no, 1% is not an unrealistic number. Cops are people, there are lots of bad ones in every group, and quite frankly the processes used to attempt to weed them out are terrible.
Draconian does not mean functional.
It is getting by the day now that so few want to be on the job these days. Less and less people are applying to this job, a job that used to have hundreds of applications for one or two openings.
Not a sought after career these days.
spat
.950 JDJ
The law has become so perverted in this country that is bears no resemblance anymore whatsoever to anything like a moral compass or even ethical guidelines.
There was a time when "criminal" generally meant "bad guy", but that hasn't been the case in a long time.
We passed the Stalinist stage of "show me the man and I'll find you the crime" a long time ago.
spat
.950 JDJ
That's another aspect. The smaller your pool, the more you have to lower your standards.
You can't fix cultural problems with rules and bureaucracy. And if you have a good culture, the rules aren't that critical.
All the bureaucracy you guys have to deal with is a sign of how broken things are, and it's like throwing gasoline on the fire if it's an attempt to fix it.
This is not only in LE. I hear of the Horrible recruits joining my once beloved Military. The standards for teachers are falling faster than ever before. Nurses, do not get me started on that profession. ......
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Oh, now someone wants to go after the other cop. Okay . Now I am going to tell you some things that will piss you off but are true. The 911 call being faked is moot because that officer doesn’t know who called that particular call with that info yet. He also is told that it was the parents who littered as opposed to the child, correct? The video shown by the parents didn’t contradict that.
Now, I will base this on New York State law, and Supreme Court case law.
If the off duty officer is still in his geographical area of employment( his jurisdiction) , he can make off duty arrests even they are frowned upon — even for littering.
And I know this from personal experience since I was a responding officer in a very similar case to this one— but in the case I was involved in— the person did litter was told by the off duty to just pick it up and the person refused and told the off duty to F off. Arrest made. If this off duty believed it was one of the parents who littered, he could legally arrest them and use force. Arrest them for filming no. Deny them discretion — or change his mind about the littering charge — yes, he legally can do that .
Basically an off duty state trooper could legally arrest you for littering if he believed you did it instead of the child as the parents claimed in this case. But that state’s laws could be different
But once the decision to make an arrest is made, he can legally use force to handcuff him and put him on the ground.
When the officer did not follow thru with the arrest, that’s when he really made an issue— it’s all or nothing . When he chose nothing he screwed himself .
But the other responding officer? I just showed you how that off duty’s actions could be legal.
There is a difference between a department policy that frown on off duty arrests or arrests for bs versus what the officer could legally do. Legally as far as police powers and responsibilities, a police officer isn’t off duty. If a felony is committed in his presence he legally must act. Misdemeanor or below there is discretion in most cases.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
1% of everyone he talks to. Or 1% of everyone he stops? How many people do you think he stops , he knows is armed ?
Now if you said, every car he stops of a traffic infraction, he makes the people get out of the car and frisks them, you might have an argument with that 1%.
But for the sake of argument only let’s use that one percent as rule. What if God told you that for every hundred cars you stop, the person in it has a gun and is going to try to hurt you. The rest of the time you will be perfectly safe. Sounds okay right ?
The rub is you will be expected to do 20 car stops a week. Twenty or more day if in a highway unit . That means once a week ( or once a month ) for 20 years someone is going to be armed and attempt to hurt you. You might not take car stops so lightly anymore.