meketrefe
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So a good chance they did not have a pistol permit of any kind.
Pair arrested for possessing a loaded hand gun in a vehicle following a traffic stop on the Thruway.
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Acer-m14
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yep .. It is chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum and is rated to accept +P ammunition. .. its not a German Luger LOL ..
but with this FUAC hole state the gun could have been tucked under the cars engine manifold and the ammo in the trunk and its LOADED ..
the other question is were they just traveling thru NY .. and what was the stop for ..
That would be an interesting charge if neither had a pistol permit.
spat
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The only difference between a government and a gang of thugs is the public perception that the government is legitimate.
The more secrets you keep the less legitimate you look.
Go to the trial then. Put in the work. They are public.
2WheelGnnr
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Thats the issue I have. I always say what would I do if that ever happened to me. No I have nothing to hide but Im not gonna let you just rummage though my shit...then again in the long run they will end up dong it anyways...but I dont want to make it easy!!!! never thought of that....the dog was alerted to something!! so we are gonna tear the rugs outta this bitch till we find a tainted French fry...!!!!!!!
didnt mean to get off topic.
spat
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It's the government's job to keep the public's confidence.
It's the public's job to assume government is a bunch of crooks and be constantly vigilant for any evidence to that effect.
If you work for the government, you should always strive to prove to the public that you are doing the right thing, and you should expect any secrets or omissions to be viewed in the worst possible light.
Sorry, but most evidence held by the government to be used at trial is not, never has been, and never will be released publicly.
The requirement you demand is met by court proceedings being public events. This is why there is a high burden to meet to request a judge declare a courtroom closed.
You just don’t want to put in the work.
The requirement you demand is met by court proceedings being public events. This is why there is a high burden to meet to request a judge declare a courtroom closed.
You just don’t want to put in the work.
If neither occupant was in direct possession both take the charge. Unless someone owns up to it. By your logic, someone could stash guns, drugs in a common area of the vehicle and drive around with absolute immunity because neither could be charged.
They put themselves in this position and nobody will have any pity on them. If the owner of the gun had owned up to it there would have only been one person charged.
spat
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I already don't trust the government. I'm not going to waste my time looking into other people's court cases just to prove I'm right. Honestly that's what the news media is *supposed* to be doing, but most people don't trust them either anymore.
If you want everyone else to feel that way too, by all means, continue with business as usual.
There are only 2 ways a government maintains power, and that is respect or fear. Traditionally the public in the US has respected the government. That is rapidly failing.
Do you *want* to live in a country where the government rules by fear ?
ExMember_4526
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“Facts don’t care about feelings!”
This all sounds very John Stark-ish.
Let’s stay on track. You want to know what probable cause the People have against the skells. You want it handed to you instead of going to their trial, as the law has ALWAYS afforded you the right to do. You don’t trust the government because they aren’t spoonfeeding you info that you want even though it is available to you by other means.
I’m sorry, but I’ve no interest in bending over backwards to change someone’s mind, especially when the info they want IS available to them already.
spat
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I'm not asking you to spoon feed me anything.
I'm telling you that the government has squandered the trust that the American public had for it.
The media (the primary watchdogs for government) have done the same.
And I am warning that if those 2 institutions don't work very hard to regain that trust we are headed to a very bad place.
So, go ahead and "not my job" all you want. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying that your employer might want to consider the PR disaster they are a couple decades into, and what the consequences of letting it fester any longer will be.
Well I didn’t mean ME specifically. 
Bustedknees
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I'd be beyond pissed off if any K9 jumped up my black truck especially when you see the officer command or tap the doors to get a reaction from the dog.. Someone (not me ) is paying for all the scratches when they find zero.
carpediem
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I have wondered that too, letting their dog jump all over your vehicle. Touch a police cruiser and see what happens. I know, I had that experience with a trooper.
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Twogunwilly
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I had a great history teacher in high school, he was also a deputy. His advice was to never consent to a search and if you're told to exit the vehicle lock your keys inside and worry about it later.
If no one takes the rap, NYS allows all of the the occupants in the vehicle take the rap
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Which is unconstitutional ... you have a right to remain silent and have a right not to self incriminate, and its the states burden to prove its someones gun. But hey what do i know, i didn't go to law school or the police academy to learn how to disregard the constitution.
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Nothing shits all over innocent until proven guilty faster than that old farce.
Nobody has been proven guilty. They have simply been accused of a crime for which evidence exists. They will probably wise up when push comes to shove. The truth will set you (or your friend) free. Using your argument people could just drive around with a pickup bed filled with fentanyl with immunity because neither the driver or passenger could be charged. It defies logic.
You aren't incriminating yourself by saying its your buddy's gun. Also it doesn't really matter who owned the gun, what's important is who possessed it. In this case it must have been in a common area where they both had access to it. You have to give law enforcement room to operate and do their jobs. Otherwise we would be a nation of lawlessness because criminals would exploit it.
I agree with you.
Day444
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Oh no! The boys with the purple power ties arrested some more "innocents"! Please spare me the Bullshit! Stupid one and stupid two had a gun they shouldn't have. (Not saying constitutionally shouldn't have, but under the laws of New York.) Like it or not some just don't play by the rules.
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Oh no! The boys with the purple power ties arrested some more "innocents"! Please spare me the Bullshit! Stupid one and stupid two had a semi auto rifle with a pistol grip or a bolt action rifle that is now illegal or a black powder revolver or a knife or a bow and arrow or a magazine that contains more than 4 rounds that they shouldn't have. (Not saying constitutionally shouldn't have, but under the laws of New York.) Like it or not some just don't play by the rules.
You realize how ignorant you sound and how you allowed them to skew your mind into thinking that something that was Constitutionally legal for decades no longer is legal?
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spat
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That's NY government for you. Not playing by the rules.
It's a shame when innocent people's lives get destroyed because of it.
Everyone that aided and abetted this injustice should be ashamed.
Yea that or don't be driving around with illegal weapons in the car while also breaking V&T laws. Also a great time to re-evaluate who your "friends" are and the type of people you hang out with.
I wish I could look up these pillars of society being defended here. Probably total trash. Why some of you continually equate yourselves to people like this is beyond me.
spat
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Better advice, don't go driving around at all in a state that violates your rights and the constitution.
I just don't get people who recognize that these laws are a violation of basic human rights and the constitution, then get all victim blaming when someone is assaulted by them.
If some guy goes to a 7/11 in the hood to buy milk in the middle of the night and gets gunned down in a drive by, do you say "nothing good happens after midnight" and blame him for being there in the first place ?