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Pearl Harbor Remembrance
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yep, not one mention on MSM about Pearl? not that I have seen yet? WTF? are our memories so short we can't stop for 5 minutes to remember all those still entombed in those ships, and all those that died on this day 
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DeSantis Orders Flags at Half-Staff for Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day
Ahead of of Dec. 7, 2022, the 81th year since the 1941 Pearl Harbor attacks, Gov. Ron DeSantis ordered U.S. and Florida flags to fly at half-staff.
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This proclamation is long overdue. I see the DeSantis Proclamation sign sealed and delivered on 7 December.
I see Brandon’s claim on 6 December, but no document.
I see Brandon’s claim on 6 December, but no document.
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Our Views: Lessons of heroism from Pearl Harbor Day
When Franklin D. Roosevelt called for a declaration of war after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and Hawaii, the president knew how to make a phrase that would stand
Pearl Harbor: Project Oklahoma offers closure to families
Americans were told this date would live in infamy. And for decades it also lived in the memories of those who heard President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s words after an attack in Hawaii launched the United States into World War II. Today, those memories are disappearing. Today they live on in...
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Should have dropped the THIRD Bomb.
Yes there was one ready to go.
Even had liberal ass suckers back in the 40s.
Yes there was one ready to go.
Even had liberal ass suckers back in the 40s.
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I was not born until 1947, but I grew up hearing about Pearl Harbor and Hitler, from age 4 on..........all my friends dads were vets and we played war and army games with rubber knives, plastic guns........ and did pretend killing by wrestling..... on all the japs...Just like today? Right?
America is in a descending spiral into barbarism, and faggoted who do not know how to fight or kill, are everywhere, acting like catty women.
America is in a descending spiral into barbarism, and faggoted who do not know how to fight or kill, are everywhere, acting like catty women.
Great video. THG is awesome overall as a channel, I highly recommend it.
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This should fit here.
These dames are good!!
These dames are good!!
What people don't comprehend is the atomic bombs might not have been the most devastating weapons of the war.
IMO the worst attacks were whole fire bombing cities. For example fire bombing Dresden and firebombing Tokyo.
99% of society in 2023 has no idea how savage and vicious full scale complete war can be.
Soviet entry into the war against Japan was the deciding factor for Japanese unconditional surrender. As relations between Russia and Western powers began to deteriorate after the end of war in Europe, Japan was holding out hoping to make a separate peace with Russia, but Stalin kept his word to FDR and Churchill per Yalta Conference agreements, 3 months (to the day) after the end of war in Europe, Soviet Union entered the war against Japan. Red Army conducted a massive invasion of Manchukuo defeating Japanese Kwantung Army in a matter of days. Without any forces outside Japanese mainland, Japanese supply lines were cut off.
Japan could not continue fighting the war and had to surrender.
View that fear of Soviets, rather than A-bomb, forced Japan's surrender gains traction
View that fear of Soviets, rather than A-bomb, forced Japan's surrender gains traction
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The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did.
Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
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Soviet–Japanese War - Wikipedia
I noticed that as well as did my coworkers. Needless to say, we were pissed about that. I watched a video (from PBS) last night where they sent in a ROV to examine the inside of what's left of the Arizona. It's from 2016 but it's a good video to watch if you have about an hour.yep, not one mention on MSM about Pearl? not that I have seen yet? WTF? are our memories so short we can't stop for 5 minutes to remember all those still entombed in those ships, and all those that died on this day
The instrument of surrender signed by Japanese delegation aboard USS Missouri named Soviet Union as one of the allied powers Japan was surrendering to. Soviet representatives were present at the signing ceremony aboard Missouri.
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Nope, only 4 countries were named in the surrender document; US, Britain, USSR and China.
Stalin went to great length to fulfill his promise made to FDR and Churchill.
The West had to do nothing and failed to fulfill its promise made to Gorbachev not to expend NATO.
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Nice try, but no cigar.
Only four countries were named in the surrender document as Allied Powers Japan was surrendering to. This is the direct quote of the first two paragraphs:
"We, acting by command of and in behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.
We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under the Japanese control wherever situated."
en.m.wikisource.org
Only four countries were named in the surrender document as Allied Powers Japan was surrendering to. This is the direct quote of the first two paragraphs:
"We, acting by command of and in behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.
We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under the Japanese control wherever situated."
Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikisource, the free online library
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You are trying to spin what is probably the second most important document of WWII.
The document itself contradicts your spin. We can do this all day long, I got your spinning ass in a vise. Here it is again from the National Archives website:
www.archives.gov
Direct quote from the document:
"We, acting by command of and in behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government, and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.
We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control wherever situated."
Four Allied Powers Japan was surrendering to are clearly named. United States, China, Great Britain and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Japan occupied a lot of territory and obviously its surrender effected a number of countries and European colonies. Some of them fought against Japan, some didn't. Some weren't even there to sign this document. You are using a factoid to deny a fact.
The document itself contradicts your spin. We can do this all day long, I got your spinning ass in a vise. Here it is again from the National Archives website:
Surrender of Japan (1945)
EnlargeDownload Link Citation: Instrument of Surrender; September 2, 1945; Records of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff; Record Group 218; National Archives. View All Pages in the National Archives Catalog View Transcript Aboard the USS Missouri, this instrument of surrender was signed on September...
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Direct quote from the document:
"We, acting by command of and in behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government, and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions set forth in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain on 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.
We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control wherever situated."
Four Allied Powers Japan was surrendering to are clearly named. United States, China, Great Britain and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Japan occupied a lot of territory and obviously its surrender effected a number of countries and European colonies. Some of them fought against Japan, some didn't. Some weren't even there to sign this document. You are using a factoid to deny a fact.
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Again, scroll down your source.
What "fact" did I deny? I only denied your BS spin that the Soviets were the "deciding factor" in ending the war with Japan and pointed out through hyperbole to put this in context that if there was a singular Military Officer surrendered to, it was MacArthur as Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers aboard a US vessel and NOT to a Soviet aboard any Soviet vessel. And it was MacArthur that presided over the surrender ceremony as well as the post-war occupation. Yeah, the Soviet role was so significant they sent Kuzma Derevyanko, A UKRAINIAN LIEUTENANT-GENERAL as their representative who is barely a historical footnote.
Obviously the surrender was to the Allies et al. And of course the Soviets were principal members (as I have stated), but only once the Nazis betrayed them after their joint invasion of Poland and the Soviet invasions of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and installation of puppet governments. Communist treachery only failed to Nazi treachery. Stalin playing both sides throughout the war was obvious. So treacherous that he even knew about the atom bomb through his spies long before Truman told him. Espionage, treachery, subjugation and thievery are the only characteristics that ever gave Soviets prominence in the world. Yeah, Soviets were so great those Baltic countries all got as far away as they could by joining NATO.
And the only reason for my reply in the first place was because I view that Russian propaganda line as disrespectful in this thread.
IMO you've bought into Russian hero worship to diminish the fact that the Soviet Union allied with the Nazis to begin the war and maintained neutrality with the Japs through most of it. Ironically, it was Nazi treachery that saved the Soviets. Well, that and the US entering the war. The Soviet role with Japan expedited their inevitable defeat, nothing more, nothing less.
The Soviets and Mother Russia do not deserve the accolades they seek.
The Soviet Role in World War II: Realities and Myths
As the world marks the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II, it would be much better not only for the history of Russia but also for the country’s future if Russian leaders were willing to permit—and even encourage—a more even-handed discussion of the Soviet Union’s role in the war.daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu
It's impossible to have a rational debate with intellectual conmen. You cherry picked one event misstated it and narrate it as if it occurred in a vacuum. History doesn't begin with Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Every major European power signed non-aggression pact with Germany, Soviet Union was the last country to do so and only after Stalin's attempt to form anti-Hitler collation was rejected. There was no joined invasion of Poland. Russian forces took over Western Ukraine and Western Belarus two weeks later and only after Polish government fled Warsaw. Nazis were ideological enemies of the Soviets. They were friends of Western industrialists and bankers, who helped Hitler's rise to power. British Royal family and many members of American high society were personal friends of Adolf Hitler. There were Nazi rallies all over U.S., Nazi summer camps for the youths. Nazi convention packed the Madison Square Garden in the middle of NYC. Give me a break.