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You will not see a more vicious takedown of liberal culture than this clip from Megyn Kelly. It's absolutely perfect.

 
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tirwin1 said:
Illegal immigrants are not citizens and therefore are not entitled to the protections of the constitution. The distinction between citizens and non-citizens is very easy to make so I don't see any slippery slope about denying due process.
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100% wrong. The Bill of Rights was written to codify UNALIENABLE rights, these rights are not granted by government. Citizenship has no bearing on UNALIENABLE rights.
 
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100% wrong. The Bill of Rights was written to codify UNALIENABLE rights, these rights are not granted by government. Citizenship has no bearing on UNALIENABLE rights.
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I stand corrected. I don't agree with it, but that's what the term means.
 
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dwa12479 said:
100% wrong. The Bill of Rights was written to codify UNALIENABLE rights, these rights are not granted by government. Citizenship has no bearing on UNALIENABLE rights.
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The term "unalienable Rights" is used in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. It refers to, specifically, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Bill of Rights does not apply to foreign invaders. Neither the Declaration or the Constitution say that non-citizens are entitled to court appearances, welfare, handouts or anything else the commies want to provide to the hoards of invaders trying to take over the US. In fact, one of the duties of the President is to defend against foreign invasion. You don't defend against invasion by giving free speech, protections against searches, protections against self incrimination... And you don't guarantee the right to bear arms to people trying to invade your country.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
 
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kev74 said:
The term "unalienable Rights" is used in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. It refers to, specifically, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Bill of Rights does not apply to foreign invaders. Neither the Declaration or the Constitution say that non-citizens are entitled to court appearances, welfare, handouts or anything else the commies want to provide to the hoards of invaders trying to take over the US. In fact, one of the duties of the President is to defend against foreign invasion. You don't defend against invasion by giving free speech, protections against searches, protections against self incrimination... And you don't guarantee the right to bear arms to people trying to invade your country.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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Correct. The Declaration however does not call them out specifically. Neither does the original constitution. Thats why the first 10 amendments are so important, it lists the unalienable rights that everyone is endowed by their Creator.

Welfare and handouts are not covered in the BOR. Neither is voting rights for that matter. No one is arguing that illegal aliens are afforded these rights. These are rights created by men and granted to men. They can be taken away or denied by men.

But free speech, religion, torture, due process, bear arms, self incriminating etc.... apply to everyone regardless of citizenship status. Legal citizen, green card holder, Visa holder, illegal alien.... we dont want to go down the slippery slope of allowing government to decide who gets rights and who doesnt.

As far as due process for illegals... deportation is part of the process. Its the first part. Don't need a lengthy court proceeding to deport. Send them packing and they can stay in their home country while they wait for their case to be heard. No different than a suspect being held in jail pending trial. Instead of being here in jail waiting for their day in court, theyre sent packing to their nation of origin. Simple.
 
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