Post office ban going down ?

[OwnTheRide]

And what happens when that armed enforcement is the cause of the issues?

Yup, round and round it goes. And I am certainly in support of the idea that "shall not be infringed" means exactly that, that the government has no business regulating this stuff, anyone not in prison should be able to carry everywhere. BUT, being realistic, there's no way we're going to be carrying into courtrooms.

Given that reality, then we should look at the historic rate of LEOs who guard courtrooms shooting up courtrooms. I'm guessing it's near-zero.

You should view my argument as being prefaced by "if we are going to have gun-free zones, then...". It's not a tacit acceptance of gun-free zones, it's a recognition of the reality that they do indeed exist.

 

[Cooolone]

Why not just mail the gun in 2 pieces, ie, parts...

Tell me that's not allowed?

And oh, mail it to myself!...

 

[ManualF150]

Why not just mail the gun in 2 pieces, ie, parts...

Tell me that's not allowed?

And oh, mail it to myself!...

As far as I'm aware, that is perfectly legal. Though, I'm not a lawyer, but from a jury stand point, I'd say no wrong doing was being committed.

 

[byron]

432 Mailability​

432.1 General​

Mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, all of the provisions of postal law in 18 U.S.C. 1715, and all other all federal and state regulations and local ordinances affecting the movement of firearms. The following also applies:

1. The Postal Service may require the mailer to open parcels containing firearms or air guns or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable.
2. Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable.
3. No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms.
4. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7.
5. Except for shipments between licensed dealers, manufacturers, or importers, all regulated firearms must be mailed using a USPS product or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.

43 Firearms | Postal Explorer

pe.usps.com

432.2 Handguns​

Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:

1. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.
2. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25.
3. Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
4. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
5. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

 

[ManualF150]

432 Mailability​

432.1 General​

Mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, all of the provisions of postal law in 18 U.S.C. 1715, and all other all federal and state regulations and local ordinances affecting the movement of firearms. The following also applies:

1. The Postal Service may require the mailer to open parcels containing firearms or air guns or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable.
2. Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable.
3. No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms.
4. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7.
5. Except for shipments between licensed dealers, manufacturers, or importers, all regulated firearms must be mailed using a USPS product or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.

43 Firearms | Postal Explorer

pe.usps.com

432.2 Handguns​

Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:

1. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.
2. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25.
3. Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
4. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
5. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.

I guess it ain't then... see, that's why people research.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I guess it ain't then... see, that's why people research.

I don`t know. Kind of weird they have NO FIREARMS ALLOWED posted inside every post office, yet how do you walk in there to mail a firearm that is not allowed on or in the property of the post office in the first place. Sure seems like a catch 22 game to me.

 

[kev74]

I don`t know. Kind of weird they have NO FIREARMS ALLOWED posted inside every post office, yet how do you walk in there to mail a firearm that is not allowed on or in the property of the post office in the first place. Sure seems like a catch 22 game to me.

It's kind of a guideline.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Anyway, this being found unconstitutional, regardless, will be ping ponged for YEARS through the courts!

These tyrants are going to stall this sh!t until Thomas & Alito retire. Then they`ll put the liberals of their choice in the high court.

Then, its GAME OVER!

 

[JunkBoxFull]

It's kind of a guideline.

LOL, i gotta steal that one from ya brother

 

[subsonic]

Why not just mail the gun in 2 pieces, ie, parts...

Tell me that's not allowed?

And oh, mail it to myself!...

No! If it’s a long gun, it’s mailable in one piece (unless short barrel).
If it’s a pistol, a finished frame isn’t mailable, even by itself. Every other part is mailable. 80% frames used to be mailable but since Biden’s latest rounds of ATF rule making I don’t know. You can mail slides and parts kits all day long. You have to private ship pistols or their frames (FedEx or UPS or whatever and check their rules).
See the postal manual on mailability.

 

[Acer-m14]

so if its a sawed off shot gun ..

barrel in one package and the rest in another .

the frame / receiver was for hand guns

if i read all that BS right ..

 

[ManualF150]

The bigger question would be is do you really trust the Post Office (Government) to handle our gun parts?

They'd say they got lost in some tragic fire in a Grumman LLV....

 

[livingston]

last I heard, you weren't allowed to even have a gun in the parking lot?

Guns OK in post office parking lots, federal judge rules Updated 9:30 PM EDT, Thu July 11, 2013​

Justin Sullivan/Getty Images/File
CNN —
Citizens can legally carry firearms in post office parking lots, a federal judge has ruled.
The case stems from a lawsuit filed by Tab Bonidy, a resident of rural Avon, Colorado, who was prohibited by U.S. Postal Service regulations from carrying his gun on postal service property.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/us/guns-post-office/index.html

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#13 · Aug 26, 2020
That law determination mentioned in the OP was stayed and does not take effect. It remains illegal to possess a firearm on PO property.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

No person on U.S. Postal Service® property may carry or store firearms, explosives, or other dangerous or deadly weapons, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes. See Title 39, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 232.1.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

Folks there are signs posted No firearms allowed t the post office. I believe a 1 year sentence at least. .. This is not like walking around walmart folks.. They can get serious

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Does their unconstitutional laws say anything about carrying a stun gun on you in the post office?

 

[Truebeliever]

I don`t know. Kind of weird they have NO FIREARMS ALLOWED posted inside every post office, yet how do you walk in there to mail a firearm that is not allowed on or in the property of the post office in the first place. Sure seems like a catch 22 game to me.

It has a disclaimer to the law of except for official business ie to mail it

 

[Truebeliever]

Guns OK in post office parking lots, federal judge rules Updated 9:30 PM EDT, Thu July 11, 2013​

Justin Sullivan/Getty Images/File
CNN —
Citizens can legally carry firearms in post office parking lots, a federal judge has ruled.
The case stems from a lawsuit filed by Tab Bonidy, a resident of rural Avon, Colorado, who was prohibited by U.S. Postal Service regulations from carrying his gun on postal service property.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/us/guns-post-office/index.html

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#13 · Aug 26, 2020
That law determination mentioned in the OP was stayed and does not take effect. It remains illegal to possess a firearm on PO property.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

No person on U.S. Postal Service® property may carry or store firearms, explosives, or other dangerous or deadly weapons, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes. See Title 39, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 232.1.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

Folks there are signs posted No firearms allowed t the post office. I believe a 1 year sentence at least. .. This is not like walking around walmart folks.. They can get serious

Yes, even the federal judge ruling applies to the post office, state law may apply . So those signs would have the force of law either way . But the parking lot thing is big , And those signs are often not visible until one is already inside the building

 

[fresch]

It has a disclaimer to the law of except for official business ie to mail it

It is the post office.
If you go to the post office for services they do not provide you are in violation. If you are there for official business, what ever the USPS provides you are good?
Didn't read the "law".

 

[Truebeliever]

It is the post office.
If you go to the post office for services they do not provide you are in violation. If you are there for official business, what ever the USPS provides you are good?
Didn't read the "law".

The actual law has very vague “ unless official business “ written in it

 

[Jmac00]

Guns OK in post office parking lots, federal judge rules Updated 9:30 PM EDT, Thu July 11, 2013​

Justin Sullivan/Getty Images/File
CNN —
Citizens can legally carry firearms in post office parking lots, a federal judge has ruled.
The case stems from a lawsuit filed by Tab Bonidy, a resident of rural Avon, Colorado, who was prohibited by U.S. Postal Service regulations from carrying his gun on postal service property.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/us/guns-post-office/index.html

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#13 · Aug 26, 2020
That law determination mentioned in the OP was stayed and does not take effect. It remains illegal to possess a firearm on PO property.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

No person on U.S. Postal Service® property may carry or store firearms, explosives, or other dangerous or deadly weapons, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes. See Title 39, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 232.1.

Concealed carry on USPS property question.

www.defensivecarry.com

Folks there are signs posted No firearms allowed t the post office. I believe a 1 year sentence at least. .. This is not like walking around walmart folks.. They can get serious

finally, after 11 years, some good news

 

[fresch]

The actual law has very vague “ unless official business “ written in it

Then cc is fine.
You are there doing "official business".

 

[spat]

L

The actual law has very vague “ unless official business “ written in it

How often are people going to the post office for anything *but* official business ?

Like, is there one post office with a hot clerk that everyone's there to hit on or something?

 

[kev74]

Like, is there one post office with a hot clerk that everyone's there to hit on or something?

None that I've ever been in.

 

[ManualF150]

None that I've ever been in.

I was in the Massena post office a few weeks ago, and some odd chubby guy behind the counter asked me if I was a stamp collector when I bought a small book of stamps. When I told him no, he said it's a good hobby. Yeah, I was like okayyyy........ I then paid and quickly walked out.

 

[Truebeliever]

Then cc is fine.
You are there doing "official business".

Nope. It’s not how it’s been interpreted in the courts , nice try however

 

[Acer-m14]

does anyone know how the Boston Bomber got his pressure cookers mailed to him ???

 

[Acer-m14]

PS ..

shut down the Post Office ..

Look at all the $$$$$ we can save and no more JUNK MAIL !!!! ..

 

[fresch]

Words have no meaning.
Is is what you think it is, is it?
Bill slickwilly clinton.

 

[fresch]

I was in the Massena post office a few weeks ago, and some odd chubby guy behind the counter asked me if I was a stamp collector when I bought a small book of stamps. When I told him no, he said it's a good hobby. Yeah, I was like okayyyy........ I then paid and quickly walked out.

He was hitting on you; probably just wanted to get a lick in for you.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I was in the Massena post office a few weeks ago, and some odd chubby guy behind the counter asked me if I was a stamp collector when I bought a small book of stamps. When I told him no, he said it's a good hobby. Yeah, I was like okayyyy........ I then paid and quickly walked out.

He should try that as a defense in court.

"Your honor, that wasn't 500,000 undelivered letters. It's my massive stamp collection. How elts ima sposed ta collect'em?"

 

[livingston]

US Post Office Pushes Back On Gun Ban​