Private Ammo Sales…. (background checks are NOT needed for private transfers)

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Robin said:
Gee willakers!!! You mean I can sell my own personal property without checking in?!?!?!?!?!? Oh thank you benevolent leaders!!!!
Fuck all you Liberty sterling pieces of shit!
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Never have asked , never will. FUKH
 
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I posted this on another forum since the topic of background checks for private transfers keeps coming up and I figured that I’d start it’s own thread here to discuss if needed.
I just called the troopers at 1-855-GUN-LAWS.
He said that background checks are ONLY required if I was selling my ammunition commercially.
I would need to register with NYS as a seller of ammunition ONLY if I was selling ammunition commercially.
If I were to sell or give ammunition to someone while we were goose hunting, a background check is not required.
If I sold ammunition to a friend, a background check is not required.

Then he stated that even if I sold ammunition at a garage sale, a background check still is not required.

He actually started to chuckle as I asked each question…
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I hope this is correct, cause i told my wife all .22 ammo i have she should able to sell it at a garage sale when i bit the dust. But all my reloaded ammo she probably shouldn't try to sell it. She could face a lawsuit if something went wrong. I try not to keep a lot of reloaded ammo on hand anyway. But as far as components she should do well on it.
 
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I hope this is correct, cause i told my wife all .22 ammo i have she should able to sell it at a garage sale when i bit the dust. But all my reloaded ammo she probably shouldn't try to sell it. She could face a lawsuit if something went wrong. I try not to keep a lot of reloaded ammo on hand anyway. But as far as components she should do well on it.
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She should have no problem at all selling it. Call the number that I posted if you have any doubts. I agree about not selling your reloads. Personally, I would not want to shoot something that was reloaded by someone else.
 
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"New York’s Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA), enacted in July 2022, requires individuals to pass a background check when purchasing ammunition."

This above, is from Aunt Jemima's website.

Purchasers have to pass the NICS, not the seller.

Conversely, private sellers are exempt from the regulation??

Enforcement/interpretation will be at the discretion of the LE officer who investigates.

Selling large amts of 9mm or 5.56 ammo, means you are likely an unlicensed high volume seller, legally speaking........anything over a box of 20 may get you in the hot seat.
Undercover buyers..long hair DESF officers abound.

Word gets around fast.

I see plenty of surplus ammo cans/boxes, being, taken to area gun shops, for sale, as people do not want to risk selling to.........................."unqualified persons".
 
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upstatejoe said:
I hope this is correct, cause i told my wife all .22 ammo i have she should able to sell it at a garage sale when i bit the dust. But all my reloaded ammo she probably shouldn't try to sell it. She could face a lawsuit if something went wrong. I try not to keep a lot of reloaded ammo on hand anyway. But as far as components she should do well on it.
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Just tell her to reach out to me and I’ll buy your .22 ammo when you’re gone if your local to the Buffalo area. Easy one shot deal and if a fair price I’ll pull the trigger.
 
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Zerex said:
"New York’s Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA), enacted in July 2022, requires individuals to pass a background check when purchasing ammunition."

This above, is from Aunt Jemima's website.

Purchasers have to pass the NICS, not the seller.

Conversely, private sellers are exempt from the regulation??

Enforcement/interpretation will be at the discretion of the LE officer who investigates.

Selling large amts of 9mm or 5.56 ammo, means you are likely an unlicensed high volume seller, legally speaking........anything over a box of 20 may get you in the hot seat.
Undercover buyers..long hair DESF officers abound.

Word gets around fast.

I see plenty of surplus ammo cans/boxes, being, taken to area gun shops, for sale, as people do not want to risk selling to.........................."unqualified persons".
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Show us once where this occured? Plenty of for sale ammo ads have been on here and no one seems to have been arrested for it.
 
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Nontypical said:
Using the wayback machine to see old versions of the website, nothing has changed with the wording in at least the last 2 years. Here is a screenshot from 1/28/24. Just saying.
Also, no changes have been made to 265.24

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This is not talking about a personal seller, it is talking about a dealer who is already a commercial seller of ammunition. A commercial seller of ammunition may not give or sell ammunition to anyone without a background check. That's different than a private person.

You also have to be careful about websites as they may not be stating the law exactly as it is written, but how they interpret it.
 
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Celt said:
This is not talking about a personal seller, it is talking about a dealer who is already a commercial seller of ammunition. A commercial seller of ammunition may not give or sell ammunition to anyone without a background check. That's different than a private person.

You also have to be careful about websites as they may not be stating the law exactly as it is written, but how they interpret it.
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Agreed. This thread is about private sales of ammo, not commercial sales of ammo. My quote was in response to a previous post.
 
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Put your ammo sale, on Craig's List or Facbook Market place.................with your address, time/date of the yard sale for ammo, from Pa.

double dog dare you.
 
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Do you exceed the Speed Limit while Driving on the Interstate? Many of us do, but not to a degree that attracts the attention of the Cops looking for Speeders...there's always someone that goes above the unwritten rules and get an interview with the Po-Po.

Having a Garage Sale to clear out Grandpa's old stuff, including some odds & ends ammo, unless you've attracted the undivided attention of Law Enforcement, I highly doubt anybody's going to say shit. NOW this isn't going to necessarily play out the same with guns, as the 57 year old found out when he sold his old Shotgun in a Garage Sale and now faces felony charges.
To perform a BGC for ammo or *Black Powder, you have to apply with identification, a Sales Tax Number, Registering as a Dealer (or in the case of a Club/Organization) "Keeper of Ammunition" along with that registration requires a credit card, computer access, and record keeping (which given the amount of personally identifying information required of the application, should scare the shit out of anyone concerned in the least about identity theft, but that's another Rabbit Hole)
Joe Blow isn't going to become a registered seller of ammunition for personal, casual, limited sales or gifting, same with Black Powder
*Black Powder and Ammunition use the same System outside of the NICS System to check sales of those items, as anything not specifically Firearm is prohibited by the Brady Act (NICS)
Garage Sale, few boxes at the Club, giving away at the Range, etc. are NOT "Dealer" activities and damn near impossible to regulate or enforce.
Got a Business where you're making money selling stuff for a profit including ammunition? Well you already know what you have to do.
 
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Zerex said:
Put your ammo sale, on Craig's List or Facbook Market place.................with your address, time/date of the yard sale for ammo, from Pa.

double dog dare you.
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Dude, seriously - put the crack pipe down. PRIVATE transfers of ammunition are PERFECTLY LEGAL. Go peddle your horseshit over at the Democrat Underground or Some other leftist site. You'll feel more welcome over there.
 
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Everyone of you guys forget what state is being talked about?
If you collect money and someone uses it in a crime, you will be responsible.
If you collect money and someone complains to the man, you will be found guilty of sales with out a license/ black market and pay out to stay out.
It is newyorkastan.
Probably never happen but, that is the reality.
 
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Newyorkistan for sure.

Imagining that you live in a free state like Oklahoma or Georgia, is just legal suicide, and unintended insanity.

I post to inform and hopefully prevent some guy from inadvertently getting arrested.

If you stack up say 5k of 5.56, and have a sale on gun stuff..............some karen is going to report you to LE.
 
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