Pulled over with my CCW

[stokes]

I got pulled over on my bike doing well over 90 on a winding section of 376 in Dutchess.Came up and around a bend and had to swerve around the sheriff car.I slowed and pulled right over, he comes up and says "you know why I stopped you,right?" I said "you need directions?"He just stared for a couple and busted out laughing,said slow the fuck down before you kill yourself and let me go.

 

[Temporarysharts]

Should have whipped it out and showed it to him! Bet he would have loved to see it! lol

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[That_FNG]

He said thanks for both those things and still wrote you for the full 20?! He’s a special kind of asshole.

How is that being an asshole? Cop is required to enforce the law as that is his job. 20mph is more than just 3 or 4 miles per hour over. That’s a substantial amount over the speed limit. If you don’t like the speed limit than petition the state to have it changed. From all accounts the cop was polite and professional in doing his job and did not detain the individual any more than necessary.

 

[Temporarysharts]

How is that being an asshole? Cop is required to enforce the law as that is his job. 20mph is more than just 3 or 4 miles per hour over. That’s a substantial amount over the speed limit. If you don’t like the speed limit than petition the state to have it changed. From all accounts the cop was polite and professional in doing his job and did not detain the individual any more than necessary.

I've seen people who have done worse get let off, but to be fair, they can't let everyone go. It is what it is. We all get speeding tickets, sooner or later. OP will go to live a long and happy life, I'm sure.

 

[Acer-m14]

State Revenue Agent ..

PS .. in this speeding crime .. who was the victim ?

 

[Acer-m14]

there also to follow there oath .. and we see how that goes down a lot ..

 

[FRANKIE]

Now with the advent of body cameras (NYSP being most recent) it kind of throws the officer’s power of discretion out the window.

 

[Temporarysharts]

State Revenue Agent ..

PS .. in this speeding crime .. who was the victim ?

Do you want people driving 90mph in your hood?

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Grimscale]

New York is not one of those states.

Officially, no, New York is not.

un-Officially, New York is a patchwork quilt of restrictions, rules, and fly-by-night demands from the various permit authorities.

ex: Orleans County - we were told that we have to inform an officer we are CCW whenever we interact with them. Whether being pulled over or just shooting the shit when they respond to the neighbor's house for an overdose.
During the permit class it was stated "there is no requirement from New York State, but if word gets back to the judge that you didn't he will pull your permit."

Tell me how this is in any way Constitutional?

 

[FRB]

There are unwritten rules of the road. Like the unwritten rules of baseball they are not precisely codified nor are the uniformly enforced. Nevertheless this is what I have learned in 28 years and 2 million miles:
The unofficial speed limit on most highways, outside the built up areas is 80, keep it at 79. For highways going through urban areas the most you are likely to get away with is no more than 10, limit yourself to 9 over. For urban/suburban highway areas with a 55mph limit 62 is fairly safe. For anything that is not a highway anything more than 5 over is risky, but on a long, straight rural stretch you *may* get away with 10 over. Speeds over these unofficial limits is likely to garner a ticket. 20 over is almost a surefire pullover and may get you a reckless driving charge. Tailgating and/or weaving will very likely get you pulled over, doing so while speeding is a certainty, don't tailgate or weave. The end of the month quota thing is real no matter how adamantly cops claim otherwise so best behavior at the end of the month.
85 anywhere in NY is definitely getting you pulled over. You have to be out in the ding weeds in the Dakotas or on I-10 through Texas to get away with that speed.

100% this is the reality and my 101 followed procedure (for me in residential areas 40 mph and under I do one over max out of respect to home owners.) It does matter what kind of stretch of road you are on. Urban / suburban with 55 limit 62 is max for sure.

 

[FRB]

The fines are decided after charges are presented by the DA and you are found or plead guilty...

This is true, we have a DA in my Town just for this. You see him first and then the judge after you plead. Judges do have some room for judgment on fines. In our town most speeding tickets are lowered to parking tickets thus non moving violations. It helps you and it helps us the town, we get a good amount of fine money (all good paper 10 over!).

 

[Bustedknees]

You were getting a ticket the moment he saw a punk ass kid in a red Honda sports car.

 

[nortatoga]

What happen to it pays to be cute (Your words not mine!) LOL!!!

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It pays to be cute.

 

[DoD1776]

You were getting a ticket the moment he saw a punk ass kid in a red Honda sports car.

It’s silver

 

[HIghlander]

Plead not guilty. If it's your first, they might dismiss or reduce. 1110a is a common plea. Failure to obey a traffic control device. It used to be a 2 pt violation as opposed to the 6 you're looking at. Depending on the municipality, they might reduce it to a local law violation. That way they don't have to share as much money with the state.

Although NY does not have a "Duty to Inform" law, I always have in some way. I've never experienced a negative outcome for that. YMMV

Broome County Judge requires us to inform if in Broome, not required in the rest of the state.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Officially, no, New York is not.

un-Officially, New York is a patchwork quilt of restrictions, rules, and fly-by-night demands from the various permit authorities.

ex: Orleans County - we were told that we have to inform an officer we are CCW whenever we interact with them. Whether being pulled over or just shooting the shit when they respond to the neighbor's house for an overdose.
During the permit class it was stated "there is no requirement from New York State, but if word gets back to the judge that you didn't he will pull your permit."

Tell me how this is in any way Constitutional?

Broome County Judge requires us to inform if in Broome, not required in the rest of the state.

And I 100% bet there has not been 1 single instance of someone losing their license for not informing a cop that they are carrying

 

[meketrefe]

I had two of those. I was able to plea it down to parking violations. All they want if the moola to meet their quota.

 

[Tisto]

Broome County Judge requires us to inform if in Broome, not required in the rest of the state.

How is that supposed to work ? Say I'm traveling through Broome county and for some reason one of your boy scouts pulls me over, and I fail to tell him about the gat on my hip ( I would not disclose that information ) then he asks me to step out of the vehicle and sees the pistol. I'm not from Broome, I have no clue as to there being any duty to inform there since the State has no duty to inform. Then I fight the bullshit ticket and the judge is informed that I didn't tell the douche wearing the purple tie that I had a gun. Not a law, not my problem. How can this high and mighty judge do a damn thing to have my permit revoked ? Seems to me that an attempt by him to take that action would be very quickly counteracted by me petitioning the court to have him removed and disbarred ( assuming he has a legal degree ) for his action.

They may WANT you to inform, and are trying to make you conform to their wishes through fear of revocation, but I don't believe they would get very far if they actually tried it. A 2nd semester law student could handle that case. NYS has NO DUTY TO INFORM.

 

[Edwardteach72]

How is that supposed to work ? Say I'm traveling through Broome county and for some reason one of your boy scouts pulls me over, and I fail to tell him about the gat on my hip ( I would not disclose that information ) then he asks me to step out of the vehicle and sees the pistol. I'm not from Broome, I have no clue as to there being any duty to inform there since the State has no duty to inform. Then I fight the bullshit ticket and the judge is informed that I didn't tell the douche wearing the purple tie that I had a gun. Not a law, not my problem. How can this high and mighty judge do a damn thing to have my permit revoked ? Seems to me that an attempt by him to take that action would be very quickly counteracted by me petitioning the court to have him removed and disbarred ( assuming he has a legal degree ) for his action.

They may WANT you to inform, and are trying to make you conform to their wishes through fear of revocation, but I don't believe they would get very far if they actually tried it. A 2nd semester law student could handle that case. NYS has NO DUTY TO INFORM.

Nothing will happen its just words from an old dying activist judge to scare the uninformed

 

[Tisto]

Nothing will happen its just words from an old dying activist judge to scare the uninformed

Exactly my point. They don't like the law as written, so they intimidate everyone into doing what they WANT the law to be. All the more reason to DISOBEY their wishes. Conforming to their bullshit is EXACTLY how liberties are lost. Freedom is easily given away, but never easily regained. Screw the judge and his bullshit.

 

[Celt]

@DoD1776

Why did you disclose you were legally carrying? Is it required in the state you are in? If not then it's nobody's business.

 

[Edwardteach72]

@DoD1776

Why did you disclose you were legally carrying? Is it required in the state you are in? If not then it's nobody's business.

I'll admit I've told a few cops during a traffic stop.

Weirdly enough usually the ones that come to the window with that complex some of them have and start the encounter acting like assholes.

It usually throws them off and they weirdly change their tune.

Granted the only things I've ever been pulled over for are fix it ticket type stuff. Not speeding.

But 99%, of the time I don't and won't say shit.

1) because they actually don't give a fuck
2) they already approach the situation as if there is a weapon in play
3) I don't need to


***edit*** the one time I also mentioned because the cop saw my PA license when I pulled out my driver's license, and asked what it was

 

[Celt]

I'll admit I've told a few cops during a traffic stop.

Weirdly enough usually the ones that come to the window with that complex some of them have and start the encounter acting like assholes.

It usually throws them off and they weirdly change their tune.

Granted the only things I've ever been pulled over for are fix it ticket type stuff. Not speeding.

But 99%, of the time I don't and won't say shit.

1) because they actually don't give a fuck
2) they already approach the situation as if there is a weapon in play
3) I don't need to


***edit*** the one time I also mentioned because the cop saw my PA license when I pulled out my driver's license, and asked what it was

Yeah, unless required by law I wont volunteer anything.

They dont look at us as friends or brothers in arms. No sense "escalating" their anxiety during an encounter. Just keep your hands on the wheel until they ask for id , or better yet pull it out and have it on your lap while getting pulled over so you don't have to reach for anything. Keep ins and regi handy, like over your visor so you dont have to dig through anything where you might keep other gear, etc...

Just keep it professional, short and to the point, be polite and just accept that today was your turn to pay additional road usage tax.

 

[ManualF150]

I really don't like discussing this, but I'm going to put it in a way, that hopefully gets the point across without divulging too much...

When an officer is on duty, and they pull you over, it is their job to perform their duties. Not to be your friend or pal, or buddy, etc. This includes whether or not you know them or their supervisor, etc. You don't argue with them, you just keep quiet. Don't admit to anything, show anything other than what the officer requests. Again, keep your mouth shut. The side of the road is not a place to discuss anything.

When an officer is off duty, that is a different story. You can be pals, buddies, etc. You can talk, and whatever other stuff you want to do. Heck, even go out and date them, have sex, etc.

When the officer is on duty, they are most likely being watched or recorded, and need to follow protocol. It is getting harder and harder for them to "be nice" with technology. For example, most newer radar/LIDAR systems are connected to the computer and gets autofilled into the ticket form. The officer would need a good compelling reason to change that number, and if there was a dash cam, body cam, etc and there wasn't anything else that could've obstructed the system from detecting your speed, it's fair game for what the system detected. Their hands are tied. Same thing as soon as they submit the ticket, it's in a database. Same goes if you know the supervisor or chief, long are the days of them crumpling it up and throwing it in the trash. Now, not all localities have gone to this extent, but they are getting there.

If I got pulled over by one of my cop buddies, I would not argue a ticket they gave me on the side of the road. After their shift is over, I'd give them hell over it, but in a good way. It's their job. They have to pay their bills, have a life, just like us all.

 

[ManualF150]

I'll also add two more key points:

1. The side of the road is dangerous for not only the officer, but you as well. Go ask tow truckers, construction/road workers, and linemen.
2. There are a lot of officers new and seasoned, are looking to get away from policing because of how much "monitoring" they are on now. From cameras, to GPS, to microphones, along with some now are doing more strict punching in and punching out. The super doesn't want a minute over lunch -- even if you spilled lunch all of yourself and you are frantically cleaning up the mess. No exceptions. So, especially the new patrolmen/women are skittish about a lot of things, because they are being closely watched and they don't want to lose their job that they spent months in a grueling academy for. Likewise the seasoned ones that are months from retirement.

 

[S&W Fan]

What , those new fangled cars don’t have cruise control?? You could have avoided the entire situation by taking the slightest of precautions. Being fatigued after a long day at work is all the more reason to use your cars controls to avoid these kinds of situations. Think smarter , not harder.

 

[Podmonkey]

New York is not one of those states.

The "if I tell them I have a gun, they'll think I'm just like them and we'll be buds!" crowd does this thinking for some reason they are on their side, but time and time again they not only get proven wrong, they can't provide any valid reasoning for their stance.

I know NY isn't. The whole country is not NY, some states have a duty to inform some do not. Pennsylvania does not but you are required to answer truthfully if directly asked. You can choose to lie and that is an individual choice and that choice requires that you are able to accept the potential consequences. To accept the consequences of one's actions one must first be aware of the parameters governing those actions. Since states can very wildly in their legal requirements a churlish attitude can get one into needles trouble.

 

[1075tech]

Yeah, unless required by law I wont volunteer anything.

They dont look at us as friends or brothers in arms. No sense "escalating" their anxiety during an encounter. Just keep your hands on the wheel until they ask for id , or better yet pull it out and have it on your lap while getting pulled over so you don't have to reach for anything. Keep ins and regi handy, like over your visor so you dont have to dig through anything where you might keep other gear, etc...

Just keep it professional, short and to the point, be polite and just accept that today was your turn to pay additional road usage tax.

I keep my wallet on the center console, never in my pocket when I'm driving. Registration and insurance is above the driver's side visor.

No need to reach for anything. No need to open anything.

I've been stopped a number of times. If I can't pull over right away in a safe place, I'll "signal" to them that I know they're stopping me. I try to pull into a place far enough off the roadway to put us both in a safer position. Driver's side windows, front and rear, down. Interior light on. Vehicle off. Both hands on the steering wheel.

If I am carrying, I will hand my permit with my license. If asked, I then disclose that I am carrying.

They've never questioned it. Never given me a problem with it. I've been let off with a verbal warning or a reduced ticket.