Quarantine Procedures” will give the state of New York the ability to come in your home and take you away

[Saltwater60]

It’s the same with the new law as it is with the old . Three of the right people and you could “disappear “. Heck , one person who could forge a few signatures and change a few records could make it happen now. Heck, that movie “the net” with sanda bullock was just a 1990s paranoid movie that could come true now. It doesn’t mean it will.

Yes, that would have been the technical charges just like if the governor ordered everyone off the roads and streets for a snow emergency. It’s not new.
How many people were actually arrested during Covid for violating the lockdown? And who instigated such a measure to have it enforced ie who enforced it. How many cops didn’t get the jab themselves and paid a price?
Any law can be misused, abused etc. The laws are already on the books to be able to do all sorts of things if purposely misapplied like calling gun control a health emergency and applying those laws incorrectly. Instead of completely fighting this law, add more safeguards like they did with the NICS check. They knew a democrat might sabotage the system so they put in a time limit in which if NICS didnt give an answer the sale could go thru.
Add things like go before a judge even if remotely. Specify the conditions of confinement— I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be put in a room of infected people if I didn’t think I was —also methods of communication etc— this might already be covered by corrections law — I don’t know.

Yes you’re correct that anyone can be arrested for many multiple things but the issue with this is they can take you away for just being possibly exposed with the best available data. You don’t have to do anything wrong like break a rule or order from the governor. Also orders from one person should not hold the power of law. Also with the snow storm last Christmas they did arrest people for violating the driving ban. In coat they brought in the national guard to help enforce it. Same with Covid they did arrest people. A guy south of me in Hamburg was arrested and the only reason more people weren’t is because it wasn’t pushed. So the only thing keeping us free is cops not arresting us, that’s comforting.

 

[Truebeliever]

Yes you’re correct that anyone can be arrested for many multiple things but the issue with this is they can take you away for just being possibly exposed with the best available data. You don’t have to do anything wrong like break a rule or order from the governor. Also orders from one person should not hold the power of law. Also with the snow storm last Christmas they did arrest people for violating the driving ban. In coat they brought in the national guard to help enforce it. Same with Covid they did arrest people. A guy south of me in Hamburg was arrested and the only reason more people weren’t is because it wasn’t pushed. So the only thing keeping us free is cops not arresting us, that’s comforting.

Really, how many were arrested for driving ?
How many were arrested for violating Covid rules - other than purposely getting arrested as a protest ?
Again, they had to bring in not normal LE to do it. And the numbers were small.
I think we would have more to worry about if they followed Canada’s example.

 

[Willyone]

It wasn't so much getting arrested for resisting the king/queens covid rules, it was loss of so many jobs and livelihood. And for what, not being part of the big jab experiment.

 

[RooftopKorean]

If they exercise this illegal and unjustified act, violence is the way.

*Queue Mandalorian music*

I HIGHLY doubt that Herr Hochul, the Hoggess Leticia, and their brown shirt-purple tie faggots to use it for actual legit means.

This is a way for them to round up all us 2A and conservatives people and lock us away in a gulag.

@VietnamEraVet said it perfectly in his post.

 

[Robin]

No it won't.
Robin

 

[spat]

So, by that standard, the police make you pay your taxes.
Again, that’s not your regular patrol cop doing that .
Did you ever see the video when two cops escorted a health department official to close a gym? The video where the gym owner when “caught” letting people work out claimed it was a BLM protest. And the cops just walked out. They weren’t there to shut down the place . They were there to protect/escort that health department official to make sure nothing happened to her. Big difference.
In other cases, they had to bring in other than normal LE ( if you can call them that ) to enforce it.
I do understand your point about the power of the government but it’s misplaced when you point the finger at general law enforcement. It’s like blaming a guy in the navy for what someone in the army did.

Yes, the police make you pay your taxes.

*Everything* the government demands they do so at the point of a gun. The police *are* that gun.

What's so hard to understand about that ?

I understand your desire to compartmentalize the abuses of the government, but that's the same sort of thinking as the guard at the camps who said "I only kill people who try to escape, I'm not murdering children"

And yes, the cops where there to protect the health department worker. That is *exactly* what assisting her looks like.

They were there as an implied threat to anyone who would attempt to stop her.

 

[spat]

How many people do you know were arrested for traveling during one of those times?
And what happens when they can’t plow a street because someone didn’t listen and the street is blocked with a car that got stuck? I remember the news stories where people died because ambulances couldn’t get thru when they couldn’t plow the streets . That’s something to be considered.
But really, how many people were arrested for being on the road ? Almost none if any.
And having had to patrol during those times, I can say, some people were on the road . Never saw them arrested just for that .

The tyranny is the *threat* of arrest, not the arrest itself.

We put a higher percentage of our people in prison than North Korea. Does that mean they are less tyrannical ?

No, of course not. They don't put as many people in prison because the people *obey* the tyranny, not because it isn't there.

To not be a party to tyranny, the police would have to do what they did when the New Mexico governor issued her unconstitutional proclamation about carrying. They officially and publicly stated they would not enforce it.

Anything less and they are participating.

 

[Truebeliever]

Yes, the police make you pay your taxes.

*Everything* the government demands they do so at the point of a gun. The police *are* that gun.

What's so hard to understand about that ?

I understand your desire to compartmentalize the abuses of the government, but that's the same sort of thinking as the guard at the camps who said "I only kill people who try to escape, I'm not murdering children"

And yes, the cops where there to protect the health department worker. That is *exactly* what assisting her looks like.

They were there as an implied threat to anyone who would attempt to stop her.

Stop her. Then why did they leave?
She declares the place closed. Okay. So what. Fines, the doors close, owner reopens ten minutes later after she leaves. Same cops drive by later and see the place open and don’t care.

 

[Truebeliever]

The tyranny is the *threat* of arrest, not the arrest itself.

We put a higher percentage of our people in prison than North Korea. Does that mean they are less tyrannical ?

No, of course not. They don't put as many people in prison because the people *obey* the tyranny, not because it isn't there.

To not be a party to tyranny, the police would have to do what they did when the New Mexico governor issued her unconstitutional proclamation about carrying. They officially and publicly stated they would not enforce it.

Anything less and they are participating.

A few problems with example . They don’t just imprison but kill their political enemies. And their families pay the price if someone steps out of line .And the whole place is a prison.

As police having to publicly say we aren’t enforcing something, is BS. The New Mexico thing . Even David Hogg saw it was unconstitutional.
Here? Under the current laws ? The people would just be replaced by those who would do it . Ask yourself , what the rate of compliance with SAFE act and the registry? Very low compliance right? How easy do it would be make arrests ? Especially for us that were working before SAFE passed and know people from the range who had them? Think about it.
Do you know how many times things were not found “wink , wink nod nod”? Me either .

 

[spat]

Stop her. Then why did they leave?
She declares the place closed. Okay. So what. Fines, the doors close, owner reopens ten minutes later after she leaves. Same cops drive by later and see the place open and don’t care.

So, why does anyone listen to anything she says ?

Why does anyone listen to any government order ?

Because eventually the police will come and lock you up or kill you if you don't.

It is ultimately the same answer for why people pay the mob protection money.

Just a different set of enforcers.

 

[spat]

A few problems with example . They don’t just imprison but kill their political enemies. And their families pay the price if someone steps out of line .And the whole place is a prison.

As police having to publicly say we aren’t enforcing something, is BS. The New Mexico thing . Even David Hogg saw it was unconstitutional.
Here? Under the current laws ? The people would just be replaced by those who would do it . Ask yourself , what the rate of compliance with SAFE act and the registry? Very low compliance right? How easy do it would be make arrests ? Especially for us that were working before SAFE passed and know people from the range who had them? Think about it.
Do you know how many times things were not found “wink , wink nod nod”? Me either .

We kill and imprison people here too. Everyone who spent years in jail awaiting trial in DC just to be convicted of trespassing was arrested by a cop.

Everyone we execute is arrested by a cop.

If you don't enforce a law, but you still act like you would, then you are still acting like a threat to people who would violate it.

Just like we don't let someone get away with armed robbery by saying "well, I never would have actually shot anyone", saying you won't or didn't enforce a law isn't enough. The threat is all it takes to be an agent of tyranny.

 

[Acer-m14]

little govt agency's only have the power because LEO backs them up with intimidation of arrest ..

why do you back them up ??

you have no duty to protect 2 public health employees .. or social workers .. off to knock on someone's door ..

ohhh and even Town board meetings ..

 

[Defilade]

People are delusional thinking you can win by playing by the rules anymore. We are at war if you have eyes to see. Playing the moral high ground is failure.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Truebeliever]

So, why does anyone listen to anything she says ?

Why does anyone listen to any government order ?

Because eventually the police will come and lock you up or kill you if you don't.

It is ultimately the same answer for why people pay the mob protection money.

Just a different set of enforcers.

So you feel that way about the national guard huh. Okay

 

[Truebeliever]

People are delusional thinking you can win by playing by the rules anymore. We are at war if you have eyes to see. Playing the moral high ground is failure.

Take it down a notch Roy Epps-lol.
Learn the rules first before we say that . Just play by their rules. We are learning . Lawfare. It’s working . We knew when Bruen came down they would do all of this . It’s just taking longer than you would like.
Just remember that Brown v Board of Education was in 1954. How long did it take to desegregate the democrat ( Dixie crat) schools ? Biden was fighting it in the 1970s.
It’s going to take time.

 

[Defilade]

Take it down a notch Roy Epps-lol.
Learn the rules first before we say that . Just play by their rules. We are learning . Lawfare. It’s working . We knew when Bruen came down they would do all of this . It’s just taking longer than you would like.
Just remember that Brown v Board of Education was in 1954. How long did it take to desegregate the democrat ( Dixie crat) schools ? Biden was fighting it in the 1970s.
It’s going to take time.

It's going to take time? Time is not on our side by playing by their rules. The Country is swirling a death spiral in the toilet.

 

[Acer-m14]

you need a warrant to come into my home ..

that's a fact Jack ..

 

[Truebeliever]

It's going to take time? Time is not on our side by playing by their rules. The Country is swirling a death spiral in the toilet.

Yes it is. I said play by their rules. Look at the Bud light situations.
We are winning the 2A court battles.
We are seeing the desperation of left and deep state .
The Iserael Hamas thing has woken up a lot of democrats to things.
What has happened to sanctuary cities is waking up a lot of democrats to their policies. The question is are enough of them waking up.

 

[spat]

P]

So you feel that way about the national guard huh. Okay

If they come out to enforce unconstitutional mandates, then yes.

It doesn't matter if they don't actually arrest anyone.

If there are tyrants doing tyrant shit, and you're out there standing with them looking like you've got their back, then you're doing tyrant shit too.

When a crew robs a bank, what do they charge the get away driver with ? Does it matter that he was just sitting in a car the whole time ?

 

[MikeM]

Another problem is the police aren't always properly informed. During covid we had to call the police to our office due to an employee having a breakdown. While awaiting the ambulance an officer threatened us for being at work. We told him we were exempt and he said bullshit.

I handed him the executive order by coumo, about 10 pages with our profession listed near the top. He threw them down on the floor and walked out.

 

[Defilade]

The Corporation aka "The Government" needs to be put in it's place with the real rules.. Government is a Serice Corporation and needs to be treated as such.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Just in time for...

https://nygunforum.com/threads/the-chinese-white-lung-pneumonia-is-here.60652/#post-1307457

 

[Saltwater60]

Really, how many were arrested for driving ?
How many were arrested for violating Covid rules - other than purposely getting arrested as a protest ?
Again, they had to bring in not normal LE to do it. And the numbers were small.
I think we would have more to worry about if they followed Canada’s example.

Small but still happened and again the only reason it didn’t happen be because the cops refused to do it. What if the new replacements that lean left do it. The look t is it can happen and has happened and once is too many.

 

[Willyone]

Small but still happened and again the only reason it didn’t happen be because the cops refused to do it. What if the new replacements that lean left do it. The look t is it can happen and has happened and once is too many.

Exactly, few were arrested. And as you say, one or "few" was/is still too many. And if or when arrested, WTF would the charge be, and punishment be? It's stupid, a fk'n bad joke. Nurses, teachers, firemen, cops, military and others lost their jobs because they wouldn't march in step, not cooperating with the Fauci worshipers that mis-led and lied to the country, refusing to get in the cattle car. Many of those folks sacrificed, lost their jobs. And not just that, the people that benefited from those peoples jobs/services, lost their services, and some died because of it!! And now, the gubb'rment has sent letters to fired service members begging them to come back... really?!? LOL. And maybe some will return to service. Let's hope so because according to snews reports, new enlistments are way down. Oh gee... I wonder why, few now want to join the new & improved gender fluid military. The USSA now has the sorriest sack of "leaders" imaginable. Wake the fuck up!!

Rant over... enjoy the day

 

[MothMan]

Question??

what are we, NYS, going to do when it is learned that several thousand of the newly embraced illegal immigrants have antibiotic resistant TB, infectious syphilis or other maladies? do they get to walk the streets? you know their diseases are looking for an infection vector. perhaps the old system of sanitariums can be put back to use.

 

[Grimscale]

Lawfare. It’s working .

We are winning the 2A court battles.

It is?
Really?
Are you sure?

When did SCOTUS toss the NY stuff back to 2nd Circus? Weren't they told they needed to move on this quickly?
How long have those lawsuits been sitting stagnant?

I still can't walk into a gun store and buy a semi-auto rifle without the queen's permission slip. I could just over a year ago... but now I can't.

How long am I supposed to sit here with my Rights curtailed? Hmm? How long must I endure this bullshit before the courts finally tell us we "won"? And when that scum-sucking fake-eyebrowed hitler wet-dream just has her lackeys in the legislature cough up a newly worded infringement and the whole process has to start all over again...how much longer do I have to wait for the "win" then?

The only thing the democrats have woken up to is that they OWN the damned .gov, and can do whatever they please to us.

 

[spat]

It is?
Really?
Are you sure?

When did SCOTUS toss the NY stuff back to 2nd Circus? Weren't they told they needed to move on this quickly?
How long have those lawsuits been sitting stagnant?

I still can't walk into a gun store and buy a semi-auto rifle without the queen's permission slip. I could just over a year ago... but now I can't.

How long am I supposed to sit here with my Rights curtailed? Hmm? How long must I endure this bullshit before the courts finally tell us we "won"? And when that scum-sucking fake-eyebrowed hitler wet-dream just has her lackeys in the legislature cough up a newly worded infringement and the whole process has to start all over again...how much longer do I have to wait for the "win" then?

The only thing the democrats have woken up to is that they OWN the damned .gov, and can do whatever they please to us.

The Sullivan act has been unconstitutional for 100 years.

But, sit tight, the courts will correct that soon.....

How *anyone* can call that a "working system" is beyond me.

 

[Truebeliever]

Small but still happened and again the only reason it didn’t happen be because the cops refused to do it. What if the new replacements that lean left do it. The look t is it can happen and has happened and once is too many.

Yes, that is true and part of my point . Some say “they should quit in protest” or publicly stand against it eventhough it it will cost them their jobs for something they don’t encounter, can intentionally not encounter, or can screw up so the prosecution isn’t successful . These are the cops some here are screaming about

But who are the replacements?
Why not say the same to the military who stayed and got the Covid shot ?
They are a lot easier to get bend and get to carry out such nightmare things .

 

[Saltwater60]

Exactly, few were arrested. And as you say, one or "few" was/is still too many. And if or when arrested, WTF would the charge be, and punishment be? It's stupid, a fk'n bad joke. Nurses, teachers, firemen, cops, military and others lost their jobs because they wouldn't march in step, not cooperating with the Fauci worshipers that mis-led and lied to the country, refusing to get in the cattle car. Many of those folks sacrificed, lost their jobs. And not just that, the people that benefited from those peoples jobs/services, lost their services, and some died because of it!! And now, the gubb'rment has sent letters to fired service members begging them to come back... really?!? LOL. And maybe some will return to service. Let's hope so because according to snews reports, new enlistments are way down. Oh gee... I wonder why, few now want to join the new & improved gender fluid military. The USSA now has the sorriest sack of "leaders" imaginable. Wake the fuck up!!

Rant over... enjoy the day

It goes far beyond that as well and government officials evaded a lot of privacy moving us one step closer to total control and camps as mentioned here. Just because it didn’t happen 4 years ago doesn’t mean it won’t happen in the next 4 years. I work within the government and it was amazing what they were doing to people and small businesses all while allowing fraud to happen extensively. Bad people got away with a lot while parents sending kids to school and the corner stores got screwed.