Quarantine Procedures” will give the state of New York the ability to come in your home and take you away

[Saltwater60]

Yes, that is true and part of my point . Some say “they should quit in protest” or publicly stand against it eventhough it it will cost them their jobs for something they don’t encounter, can intentionally not encounter, or can screw up so the prosecution isn’t successful . These are the cops some here are screaming about

But who are the replacements?
Why not say the same to the military who stayed and got the Covid shot ?
They are a lot easier to get bend and get to carry out such nightmare things .

I understand that side of things and agree with you. We need good cops on the job and that’s how I justify working for the government. It works for me and I do right by the people I service and if I get fired for it then so be it. I give them the benefit of the doubt in many cases and most of the people I service are similarly minded and appreciate my approach.
On the flip side those you speak of will be replaced and are being replaced. BLM riots were designed to do just that IMO. Yes I could be wrong but my point is we didn’t have arrests and we don’t have camps right now only because those good cops said they won’t arrest people like us so what will happen when the majority of the good cops are gone? Will we be arrested and locked up for not wearing a mask then?

 

[ManualF150]

It goes far beyond that as well and government officials evaded a lot of privacy moving us one step closer to total control and camps as mentioned here. Just because it didn’t happen 4 years ago doesn’t mean it won’t happen in the next 4 years. I work within the government and it was amazing what they were doing to people and small businesses all while allowing fraud to happen extensively. Bad people got away with a lot while parents sending kids to school and the corner stores got screwed.

I got a few close friends that work for a couple SUNY colleges. Talk about some interesting conversations we've had over the past few years...

For those that didn't know this, but at most SUNY colleges, if you got tested positive for COVID, they forced you in your dorm room, as basically solitary confinement for 2+ weeks. Couldn't leave to even go out for a walk outside. I found that out towards the end of the pandemic.

I think that Horechul got off on that and say, "Hey, let's make quarantine camps!". Could very well be possible.

 

[ManualF150]

New York reinstates compulsory quarantine | The Rockland County Times

New York state’s Fourth Judicial Department has reinstated a controversial policy that empowers the state government to lawfully order people to involuntarily isolate or quarantine in order to prevent the spread of highly contagious diseases. Originally passed in February 2022, the dramatic...

rocklandtimes.com

 

[MothMan]

I got a few close friends that work for a couple SUNY colleges. Talk about some interesting conversations we've had over the past few years...

For those that didn't know this, but at most SUNY colleges, if you got tested positive for COVID, they forced you in your dorm room, as basically solitary confinement for 2+ weeks. Couldn't leave to even go out for a walk outside. I found that out towards the end of the pandemic.

I think that Horechul got off on that and say, "Hey, let's make quarantine camps!". Could very well be possible.

I don't think Whorchul is that fucking smart. These quarantine camp plans came from Monkeyface, he just didn't get to use them.

 

[Defilade]

I got a few close friends that work for a couple SUNY colleges. Talk about some interesting conversations we've had over the past few years...

For those that didn't know this, but at most SUNY colleges, if you got tested positive for COVID, they forced you in your dorm room, as basically solitary confinement for 2+ weeks. Couldn't leave to even go out for a walk outside. I found that out towards the end of the pandemic.

I think that Horechul got off on that and say, "Hey, let's make quarantine camps!". Could very well be possible.

Must have been no pushback. Didn't hear about that.. Guess people like solitary confinement.

 

[Truebeliever]

I understand that side of things and agree with you. We need good cops on the job and that’s how I justify working for the government. It works for me and I do right by the people I service and if I get fired for it then so be it. I give them the benefit of the doubt in many cases and most of the people I service are similarly minded and appreciate my approach.
On the flip side those you speak of will be replaced and are being replaced. BLM riots were designed to do just that IMO. Yes I could be wrong but my point is we didn’t have arrests and we don’t have camps right now only because those good cops said they won’t arrest people like us so what will happen when the majority of the good cops are gone? Will we be arrested and locked up for not wearing a mask then?

That’s an issue has been wrestled with since the founding of the country . And will continue long after we are gone.

I would worry less about arrests but what happened in Canada with the Csnadisn government reaction to the trucker’s protest. Froze their bank accounts and credit cards .

 

[spat]

Yes, that is true and part of my point . Some say “they should quit in protest” or publicly stand against it eventhough it it will cost them their jobs for something they don’t encounter, can intentionally not encounter, or can screw up so the prosecution isn’t successful . These are the cops some here are screaming about

But who are the replacements?
Why not say the same to the military who stayed and got the Covid shot ?
They are a lot easier to get bend and get to carry out such nightmare things .

There is a fundamental difference between people who chose to take the shot to keep their job, and people who are saying they will force other people to take the shot to keep their job.

They are not the same, in the same way that the guy who hands a mugger his wallet is not the same as the guy standing behind the mugger tapping a baseball bat on the ground while he commits the crime.

You are rolling out every excuse the perpetrators of tyranny have used throughout history.

How many guards at Auschwitz told themselves "well, if I refuse they'll just get someone worse to do the job". They're not wrong, but that doesn't change anything.

Unless your plan is to stay in and actively sabotage the effort, then you are part of the problem.

 

[spat]

That’s an issue has been wrestled with since the founding of the country . And will continue long after we are gone.

I would worry less about arrests but what happened in Canada with the Csnadisn government reaction to the trucker’s protest. Froze their bank accounts and credit cards .

If someone showed up at the bank and demanded to withdraw *their own* money, who would the bank call to make them go away ?

 

[Defilade]

KInda like what happened in Canada with the Truckers. If you are still a cop under Trudeau, then you are on his side and support him.

 

[Saltwater60]

I got a few close friends that work for a couple SUNY colleges. Talk about some interesting conversations we've had over the past few years...

For those that didn't know this, but at most SUNY colleges, if you got tested positive for COVID, they forced you in your dorm room, as basically solitary confinement for 2+ weeks. Couldn't leave to even go out for a walk outside. I found that out towards the end of the pandemic.

I think that Horechul got off on that and say, "Hey, let's make quarantine camps!". Could very well be possible.

All one needed to do was watch the news. Businesses were closed and not allowed to reopen, health inspectors were sent to places and the business was blamed for not enforcing mask mandates. Essentially businesses were closed because patrons didn’t wear masks yet it wasn’t the responsibility of the business owner to do so. Look at all the money they were forced to spend on signs and plexiglass.
I got sick and it was a sinus infection but they told me not to come to the doctors and just called in an antibiotic. It worked for me but I’m no doctor so what if I was wrong? You weren’t allowed to see your dying loved ones or visit them in nursing homes. My son was forced to quarantine in my home. None of this was voluntary. My MIL had Covid and when she told the government goons she was going to go out and walk it was like she committed murder and they didn’t even recommend she leave her house to go into her yard or porch. Farms, truck drivers, and off shore fishing vessels were impacted yet Walmarts and targets weren’t?? The small clothing shop in my town was forced to close but 1,500 people per day could visit Walmart. It’s because Walmart will follow the rules but that small business might now.

 

[Saltwater60]

Must have been no pushback. Didn't hear about that.. Guess people like solitary confinement.

The problem is the news won’t report on things like this and if you don’t know someone it happened to you won’t hear about it. I did hear about this as well and some colleges took this stance regardless of a positive test or not. When my son was choosing a college on he was thinking of essentially told him the only place he could remove his mask was when he was in the bathroom or eating. There was no eating in common spaces and they even recommended a mask in the dorm room when a roommate was present. They did essentially say we don’t enforce this but come on. UB knew the exact date of his Covid shot and when his booster or second shot was due. I’m not sure what happened to HIPPA since you signed form acknowledging that NYS will honor HIPPA but I guess not. He’s done with shots and as of now you’re not forced to get one to attend but they hated course registration on if you were up to date on your shots or not.

 

[Truebeliever]

If someone showed up at the bank and demanded to withdraw *their own* money, who would the bank call to make them go away ?

You mean like when the FBI, a divorce lawyer and half dozen other entities do similar things ? Whether the leave or not , they still won’t get their money until they get a judge involved . Or lien on a house or other property? I have never seen a patrol cop enforce that. It’s a different entity in most jurisdictions. The only thing a regular cop can do is just stop the trespass just as he would if someone showed up at your doorstep claiming you owe them money. No more, no less. If you had a court order for a civil seizure of asset or the state had one, it’s not the police that enforces it but a different entity. It’s an important distinction. An explanation of it is better illustrated in the book “One second After”, and as to why the police don’t carry out the death penalty sentences.

 

[Deplorable Me]

When they come to your door:

 

[spat]

You mean like when the FBI, a divorce lawyer and half dozen other entities do similar things ? Whether the leave or not , they still won’t get their money until they get a judge involved . Or lien on a house or other property? I have never seen a patrol cop enforce that. It’s a different entity in most jurisdictions. The only thing a regular cop can do is just stop the trespass just as he would if someone showed up at your doorstep claiming you owe them money. No more, no less. If you had a court order for a civil seizure of asset or the state had one, it’s not the police that enforces it but a different entity. It’s an important distinction. An explanation of it is better illustrated in the book “One second After”, and as to why the police don’t carry out the death penalty sentences.

You have a much narrower definition of "the police" than the public at large.

For most people, anyone with arrest powers is "the police".

How about this, how about we just lump all of you in with "the government", because ultimately that us what you are.

Whether you're on a drug task force, or writing parking tickets, you're only real job is to enforce the will of the government.

 

[Truebeliever]

You have a much narrower definition of "the police" than the public at large.

For most people, anyone with arrest powers is "the police".

How about this, how about we just lump all of you in with "the government", because ultimately that us what you are.

Whether you're on a drug task force, or writing parking tickets, you're only real job is to enforce the will of the government.

It’s better than you do use the term the government. It’s more accurate.
What you said would apply to ANY government employee including the military or just a clerk at the post office. And the military could do all of what you fear.

 

[spat]

It’s better than you do use the term the government. It’s more accurate.
What you said would apply to ANY government employee including the military or just a clerk at the post office. And the military could do all of what you fear.

Any government employee *could*.

But, people don't see them as law enforcement, so they aren't the implied threat behind all laws and unconstitutional edicts.


If you had some punk cousin who went around threatening people by saying if they don't do what he says he'll get his cop cousin @Truebeliever to lock them up, you'd be pissed.

I'm sure you'd put a stop to it, because just standing by and letting him do that unchallenged is an implicit endorsement of it, and is a serious detriment to your good name.

Well, that's what the rest of the government does with their bullshit.

Every illegitimate order every petty tyrant in government gives has the implicit "or I'll send the cops to arrest you" attached. That's an indisputable fact.

 

[Acer-m14]

If you get payed from Tax Payers Dollars ..

you are the Govt ..

and do not give me the Crap ohh the Town pays me or the City pays me or the County pays me ..



I was called a Liar at a place i worked at for 8 years fixing machinery .. Rf Welders , Paper Folders .. Hot Stampers ..

they said i couldn't program a sewing machine all by myself .. because i spent 4 hours reprogramming it ..

hell i was the one that learned how to do it and showed the other coworkers ..



i loaded my tool box and walked out of that place that day ..

3 hours later another employee that worked with me knocks on my house door ..

i walked out too ..

 

[Truebeliever]

Any government employee *could*.

But, people don't see them as law enforcement, so they aren't the implied threat behind all laws and unconstitutional edicts.


If you had some punk cousin who went around threatening people by saying if they don't do what he says he'll get his cop cousin @Truebeliever to lock them up, you'd be pissed.

I'm sure you'd put a stop to it, because just standing by and letting him do that unchallenged is an implicit endorsement of it, and is a serious detriment to your good name.

Well, that's what the rest of the government does with their bullshit.

Every illegitimate order every petty tyrant in government gives has the implicit "or I'll send the cops to arrest you" attached. That's an indisputable fact.

We been thru this before.
If cops speak out, they are out of a job or worse. Get an order you disagree with, just don’t do it .

 

[Saltwater60]

Remember it’s all voluntarily enforcement via law enforcement monitoring to make sure you voluntarily comply

 

[John Stark]

Anyone who advocates that either the FedCoats or the State Stasis have unfettered power to kidnap American citizens and put them into camps, or who makes excuses for the scum "serving" (themselves) in any level of government who are setting this up, is a jackboot piece of shit.

That includes anyone in this thread or on this forum, or anywhere else in this once Free Nation.

There is no debate on this. Shaking our heads at how bad it is or waggling a finger about it is pointless.

Debating retards who think there is a legitimate reason that ANYONE in government should have that power is worse than pointless, it counterproductive.

It is a bridge too far, and hill worth risking everything to stop.

Does it need to happen before we decide to put the kibosh on it?

 

[spat]

We been thru this before.
If cops speak out, they are out of a job or worse. Get an order you disagree with, just don’t do it .

And that's the point everyone is making.

"I would lose my job" is not an excuse.

Everyone *knows* this shit is part of that job, and you chose to continue working there. That's all on you.

 

[Truebeliever]

And that's the point everyone is making.

"I would lose my job" is not an excuse.

Everyone *knows* this shit is part of that job, and you chose to continue working there. That's all on you.

Here we go again. You know, there is a chance that a member of the military might be ordered to fire upon someone or something against his/her conscience at some point , so by your logic , no one should join the military. That is your logic.

 

[Acer-m14]

Can a soldier refuse an immoral order?


So, can a person in the military simply refuse to follow an order if they don't like it? The answer is yes — if they consider the order itself to be illegal or unconstitutional. It's generally called a "duty to disobey," and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

[spat]

Here we go again. You know, there is a chance that a member of the military might be ordered to fire upon someone or something against his/her conscience at some point , so by your logic , no one should join the military. That is your logic.

No, what I'm saying is that if you value your job over your conscience you're a piece of shit.

Of you take a job that you know is likely to force you to choose, then don't go whining to anyone that you had no choice or you'd lose your job.

And absolutely don't go "I was just following orders".

And even in the military, if your superiors are threatening people that they will send you in to commit atrocities, and you don't immediately stand up and say "no, the fuck we won't" publicly , then you are also a piece of shit.

 

[Truebeliever]

No, what I'm saying is that if you value your job over your conscience you're a piece of shit.

Of you take a job that you know is likely to force you to choose, then don't go whining to anyone that you had no choice or you'd lose your job.

And absolutely don't go "I was just following orders".

And even in the military, if your superiors are threatening people that they will send you in to commit atrocities, and you don't immediately stand up and say "no, the fuck we won't" publicly , then you are also a piece of shit.

So no one should be a lawyer -lol ( sort of). Your client ‘s interests might not be the right thing. A defense lawyer gets a lot of guilty people off and back into the public to do it again. I’m not talking about shoplifters but child molesters , rapists , serial killers .
How about the priest who hears the confession of killer knowing an innocent man is going down for the crime that the confessor did ?
Not so black and white now huh?

Now let’s use a semi real life example , the NYC councilwoman with the gun that the cop ( yes, they tend to actual police officers ) said was inoperative. Was that the cop , the DA, or the councilwoman who caused that to said about a recoil spring missing ? A recoil spring - think about it .

 

[spat]

So no one should be a lawyer -lol ( sort of). Your client ‘s interests might not be the right thing. A defense lawyer gets a lot of guilty people off and back into the public to do it again. I’m not talking about shoplifters but child molesters , rapists , serial killers .
How about the priest who hears the confession of killer knowing an innocent man is going down for the crime that the confessor did ?
Not so black and white now huh?

Now let’s use a semi real life example , the NYC councilwoman with the gun that the cop ( yes, they tend to actual police officers ) said was inoperative. Was that the cop , the DA, or the councilwoman who caused that to said about a recoil spring missing ? A recoil spring - think about it .

No, defending a guilty person is not immoral.

They are entitled to a vigorous defense.

As long as you don't do anything unethical while doing so, you can do it with a clean conscience.

If the guy walks because the cops or the prosecution screwed up, and you took advantage if it for your client, that's how the system works.

Now, if you're a prosecutor, and you convict a person you know you shouldn't be able to convict,
even if you are just exploiting a screwup of the defense and you know the guy is guilty, that *is* unethical.

Both if those are just consequences of "innocent until proven guilty", which is the cornerstone of any real system of justice.

You just don't get it. None if those situations are ambiguous at all. The priest is under no obligation to out the guy confessing to him, because the priest isn't helping the cops convict the wrong guy.

You just don't seem to understand the difference between someone who is working for the tyrannical system and someone who is just a bystander.

And no, you're not a bystander just because you don't happen to work in the department that is doing the evil deeds. If you are backing them up, that's enough.


Here's an example for you:

There's another "OMG, the wrong guy might win this election" pandemic, and NYS enacts some draconian "quarantine" rules.

Now, *you're* not working for agency charged with dragging people out of their house in the middle of the night and shipping them off to camps, so you think your conscience is clear.

But, that agency kicks in the wrong door, and now 5 of their guys are taking a dirt nap. The family that did it are now on the run.

Are you going to assist in the manhunt if ordered ?

If you are, then you *were always* helping the door kickers.

 

[Truebeliever]

No, defending a guilty person is not immoral.

They are entitled to a vigorous defense.

As long as you don't do anything unethical while doing so, you can do it with a clean conscience.

If the guy walks because the cops or the prosecution screwed up, and you took advantage if it for your client, that's how the system works.

Now, if you're a prosecutor, and you convict a person you know you shouldn't be able to convict,
even if you are just exploiting a screwup of the defense and you know the guy is guilty, that *is* unethical.

Both if those are just consequences of "innocent until proven guilty", which is the cornerstone of any real system of justice.

You just don't get it. None if those situations are ambiguous at all. The priest is under no obligation to out the guy confessing to him, because the priest isn't helping the cops convict the wrong guy.

You just don't seem to understand the difference between someone who is working for the tyrannical system and someone who is just a bystander.

And no, you're not a bystander just because you don't happen to work in the department that is doing the evil deeds. If you are backing them up, that's enough.


Here's an example for you:

There's another "OMG, the wrong guy might win this election" pandemic, and NYS enacts some draconian "quarantine" rules.

Now, *you're* not working for agency charged with dragging people out of their house in the middle of the night and shipping them off to camps, so you think your conscience is clear.

But, that agency kicks in the wrong door, and now 5 of their guys are taking a dirt nap. The family that did it are now on the run.

Are you going to assist in the manhunt if ordered ?

If you are, then you *were always* helping the door kickers.

Oh, if I was still active, I would be looking for you if you were in my jurisdiction. Why? You would have a legal course of redress that you chose not to take.
And yes, I understand the simplicity of taking direct action but you would still have the federal courts as well as NYS courts — the court decision above was based on lack of standing, not on the merits of the argument.
Now, if you went to a further extreme of a Nazi concentration camp example happening here where there as no legal avenue of redress , that’s a different story .
Now let’s back to our lawyer example , so if a defense lawyer tactics breaks down a child rape victim on the stand where they know their client to guilty , you are okay with that . Okay, higher calling type thing - I get it. You are okay that priest would allow a man he knows to be innocent to rot in jail for years , knowing one word from him could set him free.- you are okay with that. Okay, higher calling. But you aren’t okay with the police or prosecutors knowing that someone is guilty - and that if freed they will do it again -from taking advantage of a mistake from the defense team -okay. Not planting evidence, not giving false testimony or evidence but not pointing out a mistake by the defense? That I I don’t understand. Especially if you really knew some of the technicalities that can get evidence suppressed that has nothing to do with the truth.

 

[Robin]

.........and then, there is always the Nuremberg Defense, I was only following orders.
Robin

 

[spat]

Oh, if I was still active, I would be looking for you if you were in my jurisdiction. Why? You would have a legal course of redress that you chose not to take.
And yes, I understand the simplicity of taking direct action but you would still have the federal courts as well as NYS courts — the court decision above was based on lack of standing, not on the merits of the argument.
Now, if you went to a further extreme of a Nazi concentration camp example happening here where there as no legal avenue of redress , that’s a different story .
Now let’s back to our lawyer example , so if a defense lawyer tactics breaks down a child rape victim on the stand where they know their client to guilty , you are okay with that . Okay, higher calling type thing - I get it. You are okay that priest would allow a man he knows to be innocent to rot in jail for years , knowing one word from him could set him free.- you are okay with that. Okay, higher calling. But you aren’t okay with the police or prosecutors knowing that someone is guilty - and that if freed they will do it again -from taking advantage of a mistake from the defense team -okay. Not planting evidence, not giving false testimony or evidence but not pointing out a mistake by the defense? That I I don’t understand. Especially if you really knew some of the technicalities that can get evidence suppressed that has nothing to do with the truth.

LoL at legal course of redress.

That's a joke right ?

Or do you really expect a family getting hauled off in the middle of the night to get a lawyer and file a suit that might get heard in a couple of years ?

Do you think the "legal course of redress" fixed all the abuses of the covid era ?

Businesses destroyed, churches closed, then after *years* the courts finally step in and say "yea, they shouldn't have done that, but immunity, so they'll get a lecture, but that's it.

You *really* call that "legal redress" ?

 

[Truebeliever]

LoL at legal course of redress.

That's a joke right ?

Or do you really expect a family getting hauled off in the middle of the night to get a lawyer and file a suit that might get heard in a couple of years ?

Do you think the "legal course of redress" fixed all the abuses of the covid era ?

Businesses destroyed, churches closed, then after *years* the courts finally step in and say "yea, they shouldn't have done that, but immunity, so they'll get a lecture, but that's it.

You *really* call that "legal redress" ?

Of course not. But lawsuits are only starting . But why are these laws necessary? So if you were infected with a real deadly disease like smallpox or Marrburg do you think you should be allowed to spread it?
And yes , I have had to make that choice. We have had prisoners who were HIV positive but their significant other had no idea. By law , I couldn’t tell them .
What would you do?
Not so black and white when they had to tell you so they could get their necessary medical treatment. Remember, They were prisoners. Compelled “testimony “.

As far as getting a civil suit, it’s habeas corpus . Not a normal lawsuit. It takes as fast as it is in getting any other hearing including arraignments. It means it’s done in days at most especially if there is no arraignment.
Guys learn the law and what redress you actually have. These things are not as black and white as one might believe.