Ruger Buys Marlin and Vista Outdoors buy Rem's Ammunition Biz - Remmy being picked apart

[2WheelGnnr]

Ruger Buys Marlin for 30 mil

Sturm, Ruger to Acquire Remington's Marlin Firearms for $30 Million | The Motley Fool

The bankrupt gunmaker has been selling off its assets this week to raise cash to pay its creditors.

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Vista Outdoor Group

Vista Outdoor to buy bankrupt gunmaker Remington's ammunition business

Vista Outdoor Inc said on Monday it would buy some parts of U.S. gunmaker Remington Outdoor Co Inc's ammunition and accessories businesses for about $81 million.

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Too bad to see it being spun off. My wife from Utica rome area and she remembers a lot of people working there that where freinds of her parts. Too bad to see the icon sold off. To me Sounds like owners over leveraged it with debt...Not to mention the sandy hook lawsuit.....which is bogus in my opinion....I have yet to see any proof myself that they were marketing guns to youth.......I mean....most adv is in print form only that ive seen over the years...but again..what do I know as I dont know all the details
Again all tragedies need someone to blame... and ofcourse the gun is the bad guy....too bad the shooter "broke in the safe" to get the gun... The gun was just whispering to him too loud to do it!! Damn non-law abiding Guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bustedknees]

Ready for the first response to this thread yet?
So, I recently came across a stainless steel and walnut 1895 that's been on my list for some time now. It was sold as new/old stock. I would have preferred the jm stamped Marlin but I couldn't pass up the deal and I have very few Remington's in my collection. So I've been sitting and fondling this new Remlin comparing it to my other Connecticut Jm made 1895.
So far it screams late model Remington. Side by side comparison I noticed it lacks the spacer between the buttpad and stock. Now I understand there is a different finish on my two Marlins , but the Remlin lacks in the wood dept, I think they skipped the finish sanding, the checkering is far from crisp, and the oil finish is very lacking. The metals are mostly very nice except for the lever. It has pretty sharp edges. I've already been rubbing in some oil to sheen the stock and forearm and it looks much better. The gun is still one sexy piece, and it will definitely stay in my collection but now It only makes sense I buy the Ruger made 1895.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Ready for the first response to this thread yet?
So, I recently came across a stainless steel and walnut 1895 that's been on my list for some time now. It was sold as new/old stock. I would have preferred the jm stamped Marlin but I couldn't pass up the deal and I have very few Remington's in my collection. So I've been sitting and fondling this new Remlin comparing it to my other Connecticut Jm made 1895.
So far it screams late model Remington. Side by side comparison I noticed it lacks the spacer between the buttpad and stock. Now I understand there is a different finish on my two Marlins , but the Remlin lacks in the wood dept, I think they skipped the finish sanding, the checkering is far from crisp, and the oil finish is very lacking. The metals are mostly very nice except for the lever. It has pretty sharp edges. I've already been rubbing in some oil to sheen the stock and forearm and it looks much better. The gun is still one sexy piece, and it will definitely stay in my collection but now It only makes sense I buy the Ruger made 1895.

I am with ya. When I look at my Remlin in the light I actually see a difference in color of the wood from the stock and front grip. Like I mentioned in a different post, it has had it share of problems and been to the gunsmith. But it is such a fun gun to shoot. I may have it ported to save my shoulder a little.

 

[Jmac00]

ya, I have Remlin 1895, blued.

I put Alaskan peep sites on it. Ranger Point Precision Big loop lever, and flyweight side gate, and a Midwest Industries M-Lok foregrip on it

Generally the gun works really well, but every now-n-then it decides its not going to feed a cartridge? I take it apart and put it back together and it starts working again?? I can't figure out if its the elevator ( or whatever the lift thingy is called) or its not pulling the cartridge back far enough?
Im probably going to take it to a gunsmith and see what they can do for it

edit, I LOVE the 45-70, I wanted a stainless, Henry, but I despise a tube feed firearm. When I bought the Remlin, Henry didn't have a sidegate 45-70

 

[FP1201]

I'm not sure whether it's a lock of product availability or them being sold out as fast as they're made, but none of our wholesalers ever have Ruger made 1895's available and when they do, Dealer price is close to $1,500.
I was bidding on an average condition, used Marlin 336 in .35 Rem (try finding ammo for that) it went for $830. which is a hundred more than we sold the last one for...crazy!

 

[FRANKIE]

I'm not sure whether it's a lock of product availability or them being sold out as fast as they're made, but none of our wholesalers ever have Ruger made 1895's available and when they do, Dealer price is close to $1,500.
I was bidding on an average condition, used Marlin 336 in .35 Rem (try finding ammo for that) it went for $830. which is a hundred more than we sold the last one for...crazy!

Why did 35 Rem ammo disappear?
That 336 JM Marlin was definitely one of my personal favorites

 

[FP1201]

Why did 35 Rem ammo disappear?
That 336 JM Marlin was definitely one of my personal favorites

Honestly, I just don't know why .35 Rem dried up, same thing happened to 30-30 and 30-06 a couple years back and it's just starting to creep back on the shelves. As one caliber dries up, people move on to another until that too becomes unobtanium.
WSM calibers, 7mm-08, 22-250 and a dozen more "popular" calibers have been nonexistent for three years now. (new production) what's been or being sold is mostly older stock that's being sold are astronomical prices.

 

[FRANKIE]

But it doesn’t seem to be knocking down the prices of the rifles that chamber this stuff. Just got to hope for new production runs if this stuff
I mean at decent prices too

 

[Jmac00]

I reloaded 30-30, 44mag and 40cal. I have a ton of ammo spread around the county in friends safes. I bought a bunch of 45-70, But ammunition weighs A LOT and I have trimmed the amount I carry in the escape pod, just to keep the weight down. But, Im never more than 4 hours from a reload

 

[Acer-m14]

Honestly, I just don't know why .35 Rem dried up, same thing happened to 30-30 and 30-06 a couple years back

i make 30-06 to 270win ... sorry i reload lol

 

[FP1201]

i make 30-06 to 270win ... sorry i reload lol

I can and do reload everything I shoot (except Rimfire) from .25acp right through .50BMG
Believe it or not, Brass for many calibers is getting scarse and expensive...
Lots of times I'll sell excesses at Gun Shows, here of late "used" stuff is going for more than New sold for.

 

[Jmac00]

I'm not sure whether it's a lock of product availability or them being sold out as fast as they're made, but none of our wholesalers ever have Ruger made 1895's available and when they do, Dealer price is close to $1,500.
I was bidding on an average condition, used Marlin 336 in .35 Rem (try finding ammo for that) it went for $830. which is a hundred more than we sold the last one for...crazy!

for a Remlin? that's a ridiculous price. I paid $600 for mine. and that was like 5 or 6 years ago? They could not have gone up by that much, holy shit. For that price, I'd get the all weather Henry ( side gate )

Hell, for that much money, I'll sell you mine and go get a Henry

 

[Bustedknees]

for a Remlin? that's a ridiculous price. I paid $600 for mine. and that was like 5 or 6 years ago? They could not have gone up by that much, holy shit. For that price, I'd get the all weather Henry ( side gate )

Hell, for that much money, I'll sell you mine and go get a Henry

No Remlins are done, so they should grow some kind of a collector base. Ruger made Marlins are out now and easy to find, but you need to find one without a scab price ticket.

 

[Chris1389]

Ready for the first response to this thread yet?
So, I recently came across a stainless steel and walnut 1895 that's been on my list for some time now. It was sold as new/old stock. I would have preferred the jm stamped Marlin but I couldn't pass up the deal and I have very few Remington's in my collection. So I've been sitting and fondling this new Remlin comparing it to my other Connecticut Jm made 1895.
So far it screams late model Remington. Side by side comparison I noticed it lacks the spacer between the buttpad and stock. Now I understand there is a different finish on my two Marlins , but the Remlin lacks in the wood dept, I think they skipped the finish sanding, the checkering is far from crisp, and the oil finish is very lacking. The metals are mostly very nice except for the lever. It has pretty sharp edges. I've already been rubbing in some oil to sheen the stock and forearm and it looks much better. The gun is still one sexy piece, and it will definitely stay in my collection but now It only makes sense I buy the Ruger made 1895.

I seen online the ruger made marlins you can manually extract, with your finger, the ammo out of the tube without cranking the lever. Pretty neat.

 

[nortatoga]

From what I have heard too is that all of the Marlin production machinery was warehoused and Ruger has all new for this production line.

 

[FP1201]

for a Remlin? that's a ridiculous price. I paid $600 for mine. and that was like 5 or 6 years ago? They could not have gone up by that much, holy shit. For that price, I'd get the all weather Henry ( side gate )

Hell, for that much money, I'll sell you mine and go get a Henry

Remington went bankrupt and all the divisions were sold off. Ruger bought Marlin and is(?) making them in North Carolina.
If someone offered an 1895 for $600. I'd likely buy it, same for a really nice 336 or 1884.
My quote was for the NEW, Ruger made Rifles in stainless w/laminate stocks (Guide Guns) they're only cataloging (3) versions and MSRP on two is $1,400 and the less expensive one at $1,200 so I was off a bit on Dealer price which is just under $1K (again, with no stock available, shipping & insurance, dealer mark up, and annual price increases I doubt you're going to get one at a bargain) Henry's are great, but are not economy minded guns either.

 

[Bustedknees]

If someone offered an 1895 for $600. I'd likely buy it,

Me too! You may find a used and abused one at that price, but anything nice is starting at $1200 and up whether it be JM, Remlin, or Ruger.

 

[Vapor]

They are basically focusing on pumping out .308, 9mm, and 5.56. They are finally catching up with those, so some of the main big 10 calibers are coming back.


But I would expect .35 rem, any wsm, 6.8 spc, anything not mainstream to come back anytime soon.

 

[Acer-m14]

Why did 35 Rem ammo disappear?

Honestly, I just don't know why .35 Rem dried up

few yrs ago a friend got a .35 rem .. ammo finding time .. we found out .. a factory batch was only made once per year .. when its gone

its gone till next batch is made and released .. he sold the rife and a box of ammo 2 weeks later ..

year ..

prices for 35 rem online if you could find it was over 70 bucks a box of 20 ..

 

[FP1201]

Calibers such as .35 Rem, 30-30, 30'06, .270 win are all a hundred years or more old, used to be any Store or gas station near the woods had boxes of it on the shelf, but not anymore... Last two boxes of .35 I bought came from the PX and they were $43 a box for Hornady Levervolutions.
The same auction I mentioned before also had 98 fired cases: they went for $89 plus tax & shipping... empty fired cases for over a buck a piece!

 

[Acer-m14]

and i just get this video in my random .. vid from 11 days ago now ..

Remington is Loading ALL THE AMMO!!! [Factory Tour]​

@FP1201 @2WheelGnnr @Vapor @Bustedknees @nortatoga @Chris1389 @Jmac00 @FRANKIE @Hochulsucks1234

 

[S&W Fan]

few yrs ago a friend got a .35 rem .. ammo finding time .. we found out prices for 35 rem online if you could find it was over 70 bucks a box of 20 ..

Holy shit. At that price I’m sitting on a gold mine.

 

[Acer-m14]

just checked gunbroker .. go see @S&W Fan

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=35%20remington&Sort=13

 

[Acer-m14]

35 rem is a nice gun .. but the ammo cost and avail ..

he dropped that rifle like a hot potato

we didn't have the dies and brass to make our own at that time ..

 

[FP1201]

35 rem is a nice gun .. but the ammo cost and avail ..

he dropped that rifle like a hot potato

we didn't have the dies and brass to make our own at that time ..

Before there was an issue with Brass, proper Bullets couldn't be found... there aren't a lot of choices, and despite it being a hard-hitting caliber, there aren't a lot of cartridge variations.
I have/had .35 Whelen and .358 Winchester, but they use a different bullet from the .35 Remington.
My folks lived 20 minutes away from the Remington Plant in Arkansas... they have a really nice Trap Club half mile down the road behind the Factory.

 

[Jmac00]

Me too! You may find a used and abused one at that price, but anything nice is starting at $1200 and up whether it be JM, Remlin, or Ruger.

GOOD to know, between the the forestock, gate and Large loop lever, and the Alaskan peep sites, I probably got $900 to $1000 wrapped up in the gun. But I would not mind a SS 1895/Henry big boy

 

[Bustedknees]

the 336 is back and dressed in walnut!

Marlin Rifles: The Comeback Continues in 2023

Marlin's comeback continues with steady introductions in the future for this historically esteemed rifle manufacturer.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[Vapor]

It'll only be an msrp of $1500.

 

[Jmac00]

It'll only be an msrp of $1500.

does that mean my JM 336-30/30 is now worth $2000+

 

[Bustedknees]

does that mean my JM 336-30/30 is now worth $2000+

I'd think if we're going by quality standards a JM would be in second place with Remlin coming in last. Ruger needs to step up production to bring the prices down though.