holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
You cant have war with out a war crime. That goes with the territory.
Russia or the Ukraine? Which side do you support?
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Getting involved in a war will make my wallet lighter, not heavier.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
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Im not saying I want us involved physically, and its too late for what "could have" been done to prevent it from happening. I was just commenting on how you said not my problem as I see things that happen globally as our problem whether we want it or not.
I agree but if we could use this negative affect to bring manufacturing jobs back home. I would gladly deal with some strife and hardship to see that happen. We need to put ourselves in a better position so that these things do not affect us at all.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I am not willing to go to war for Ukraine but I’m in support of the Ukrainian president who was an actor who saw the corruption in his country and ran for president to stop it. He stood up for Trump and told the truth about his phone call with Trump. And now, he is leading his country against an aggressor. Russia has been supporting a separatist movement there and the majority of the people there according to prior polls did not want to separate ( the polls could be faked or wrong ). Russia had troops on the border just when these groups declared independence? It’s literally the same exact tactic the Nazis used to gain land with a political excuse.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Yeah, but at what cost? Now that they're invading Ukraine, Sweden and Finland are likely to join NATO as a result. They had a neutral zone. Now they won't.
Even if it's due to the fact Ukraine has pipelines and black sea access, they already had Crimea. Putin didn't have to take the rest of the country for that access.
I think Putin is doing this because he wants to leave a legacy. It's about him. He's getting older, and he wants to try, while he can, to leave his mark on Russia. That's the only thing I can reason here, and the fact he believes the world will do nothing and cower away.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Yup. Not saying this is the case but I don't know how anyone can say it definitely isn't. Unless of course it is the same people that bought into and still believe there is/was a pandemic.
Vapor
.308 Win
I feel bad for the people.
Old white men in suits deciding young men should die before they even get to live.
Old white men in suits deciding young men should die before they even get to live.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Agreed, Like we were under Trump. And hopefully will be again after tge imposter is out.
I feel like we are witnessing the destruction of the NWO. Ukraine was a safe haven for the Globalists for years. When the corrupt MSM is pushing so hard to demonize Russia along with Clinton/Biden and all the deep state players it speaks volumes. Russia does not want any involvement with the NWO. Trump could not clean out the mad corruption in Ukraine with all these business dealings going on there, MSM would paint him as a tyrant. Just look at certain Politicians sons who have dealing there! Once again when Clinton/Biden/Kerry/MSM and the rest of the Deepstate shitbags are pulling heartstrings for Ukraine I go the opposite way. MSM we have learned cannot be trusted one bit and we have seen with Covid/Canada. Lying Scum!! The Sad thing is innocent people die in the crossfire. That is war in it's self.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I think the world could use a little orange face right now.
As much as I thought Trump was a bit of a twit, what's going on now makes Trump look like an ideal president.
I feel like we are witnessing the destruction of the NWO. Ukraine was a safe haven for the Globalists for years. When the corrupt MSM is pushing so hard to demonize Russia along with Clinton/Biden and all the deep state players it speaks volumes. Russia does not want any involvement with the NWO. Trump could not clean out the mad corruption in Ukraine with all these business dealings going on there, MSM would paint him as a tyrant. Just look at certain Politicians sons who have dealing there! Once again when Clinton/Biden/Kerry/MSM and the rest of the Deepstate shitbags are pulling heartstrings for Ukraine I go the opposite way. And of course Biden is pissed off, He realizes Russia invaded the Country that Launder's your money.. MSM we have learned cannot be trusted one bit and we have seen with Covid/Canada. Lying Scum!! The Sad thing is innocent people die in the crossfire. That is war in it's self.
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Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
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He wasnt winning people over with his personality, and I could care less about "being presidential", the proof was in the pudding in what he did for our country. Especially after Obozo drove us to socialism.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Replace the "N" (New) World Order with "Nazi" World Order and it makes even more sense. Maybe why Putin has made multiple references to deNazifying the area.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
It will be if Biden’s poll numbers keep dropping because he will do something stupid in an attempt to turn them around.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I am reserving judgement until more info comes out. If there is one thing I've learned since 9/11 it's that people get swept up easily and manipulated in crisis situations. The lies tend to be thick and many.
russia didn't want nato in their backyard... they did something about it... in 62, we didn't want russian nukes in our backyard.. we did something about it... I do NOT support russia... however, ukraine did tend to poke the bull, and is now getting the horns.. I pray its over quickly... Putin IS a strong leader, and has the support of his people, unlike the senile old reprobate we elected... One must remember, Putin is an old school Bolshevik. They had no qualms about stacked up bodies. russia was hard core communist for 70 years, and a lot of the leadership there would love a revival of the soviet union... I hope russia gets a really bad bloody nose from this like they did in afghanastan and thinks long and hard about their next move.... bob
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It could all be fake support. They may want Russia to take over Ukraine to burn any and all evidence of their ties. Keep in mind that Burisma (who paid Hunter Biden 1 mil per year while sleepy joe was veep) is a Ukranian company. They are also trying to tie the Repubs to russia since many Americans are supporting Ukraine.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Putin said the greatest loss of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union already killed millions in Ukraine in the 30’s. Millions of Ukrainians deeply loathe Russia and will never give in. A puppet government will have no legitimacy and the population will pay it no heed.
Putin Cannot Erase Ukraine
No Russian invasion can undo Ukrainian nationhood.
www.foreignaffairs.com
Seems to me if he doesn’t bail now the Ukrainians will bleed him dry in ways the afghanis could only dream of. I wonder if he is surrounded by too many yes men. The Ukrainians are having none of it and if Russia is cut off from swift their economy is fucked.
Modean
.223 Rem
How about neither? I feel for the people, and the troops, but both corrupt governments can go straight to the hot place.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
This Ukrainian government was not the same corrupt government that were behind Hunter Biden’s payoffs. This current president is the reformer. A comedian who ran for president to change things.
How Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky went from an actor playing president on TV to defiant wartime leader | CNN
The comedian-turned-president came to power on the promise of bringing peace to Ukraine’s east. Now he’s taken on a wartime role.
amp.cnn.com
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Exactly why Brandon is hoping the Russians do him in.He swore to stomp out corruption in Ukraine,which would put the Brandons out of business.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I just imagine this guy’s movie on his life if he and Ukraine survives this .
The geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan predicted Russia would expand its borders in a book he wrote a number of years ago. The existing western border is too long for a nation with a declining number of military age males. By pushing the border west it gets shorter and becomes easier to defend. Ukraine was next after Crimea. If his prediction holds true Poland is going to have the same problem at some point in time. This is a move by a dying nation to delay the inevitable. Remains to be seen if it will work.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
I see with some of the replies here, that some folks still see the world as black or white. It's neither. So much missing context. Both countries citizens have been manipulated by western powers for decades. It's hard not support the underdog in this fight but the fight is also against the globalists power grab as well, in which we here in the U.S. are involved in. I am always leery of media promoting one side over another. Labeling people. It wasn't long ago that Trump was the Hitler figure. It's their go to meme. If your feelings are easily ramped up over a Putin/Hitler meme, you might be a useful idiot. Remember this would be the same media that put out the Trump/Hitler memes. The Fake news. Of course this all changes when your feelings are supported, right? Now you understand the other side.
I am old enough to remember how WE treated the Ukraine for decades. Regardless of the administration.
I will, like always, look for context and at history should I decide to root for a side. I am America first. As it stands right now, Putin has done more for the 2022 mid-terms that any CPAC crap. His actions turns democrats. Not CPAC. A mid-term win is a globalist set back. A Ukraine victory would be claimed as one where without Biden's sanctions would not be possible. But I doubt the Ukrainian president would allow that to stand unchallenged. Dragging Biden into global verbal fight in the media which wouldn't poll well.
I know this much about the modern wars of the past and history proves it. They are fought over control of resources and wealth but you cant get citizens to fight over resources and wealth that they won't participate in. These days you get them to die over calls for freedom, liberty, democracy and national pride. Oh and meme's of Hitler. lol
I am old enough to remember how WE treated the Ukraine for decades. Regardless of the administration.
I will, like always, look for context and at history should I decide to root for a side. I am America first. As it stands right now, Putin has done more for the 2022 mid-terms that any CPAC crap. His actions turns democrats. Not CPAC. A mid-term win is a globalist set back. A Ukraine victory would be claimed as one where without Biden's sanctions would not be possible. But I doubt the Ukrainian president would allow that to stand unchallenged. Dragging Biden into global verbal fight in the media which wouldn't poll well.
I know this much about the modern wars of the past and history proves it. They are fought over control of resources and wealth but you cant get citizens to fight over resources and wealth that they won't participate in. These days you get them to die over calls for freedom, liberty, democracy and national pride. Oh and meme's of Hitler. lol