I thought we were the world's police? Merica fuck ya!
Russia or the Ukraine? Which side do you support?
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I thought we were the world's police? Merica fuck ya!
spat
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We fared way better than anyone else in the world in the last 2 fires too.
But replacing all your shit every couple generations gets old real fast.
The world is in big trouble, you're right. But I'd prefer the collapse is put off a bit longer. Another 50 years and I won't be around to care anymore.
If the whole place is going to turn into a shithole, I'd prefer it happened as late as possible so I don't have to live in it as long.
spat
.950 JDJ
The we is NATO in this case.
And of course the USA is the only firefighter in the department that can actually lift anything bigger than a garden hose.
spat
.950 JDJ
The longer we can put it off the better for me.
A collapse in 10 years is better than one in 5 and 5 is better than 2.
10 years means I've got 7 years less shithole to deal with than 2 years.
spat
.950 JDJ
I like going to grocery stores and having what I want on the shelves.
I'd prefer to keep things that way as long as possible.
So you would rather put it on your kids than man up and deal with it yourself. Rgr
I think the difference between the current situation and WW 2 is there is a huge difference in the aggressor nation. Russia is literally a dying country. Their demographics going forward are horrible. The action against Ukraine (and ultimately the Baltic nations and Poland) are ironically defensive in nature. The Russians need a shorter border to defend, one that can be defended by a decreasing number of military age men.
That doesn't justify their invasion. But Russia is not like Hitler's Germany bent on world conquest. Nor is like the Soviet union trying to promote communist insurgencies around the globe. They know what is going to happen and need to act now in order to prepare against any invasion from the west. Another irony of course is there was no threat from the west nor was any on the horizon. But the paranoid Putin just gave the rest of Europe a reason to unite against him.
The US has the means to be largely self sufficient. Our greatest trading partners are actually Canada and Mexico. We can let the rest of the world fall apart and the impact will be minimal.
So if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine it is a bigger issue for Europe. Much less so for us.
That doesn't justify their invasion. But Russia is not like Hitler's Germany bent on world conquest. Nor is like the Soviet union trying to promote communist insurgencies around the globe. They know what is going to happen and need to act now in order to prepare against any invasion from the west. Another irony of course is there was no threat from the west nor was any on the horizon. But the paranoid Putin just gave the rest of Europe a reason to unite against him.
The US has the means to be largely self sufficient. Our greatest trading partners are actually Canada and Mexico. We can let the rest of the world fall apart and the impact will be minimal.
So if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine it is a bigger issue for Europe. Much less so for us.
Interested in one of your comments...
Russia is a dying Nation. Can you expand on that a bit?
This article provides a summary. I have read all 3 of his books and highly recommend them.
Russia's Twilight War - Zeihan on Geopolitics
For those of you who have read my second book, The Absent Superpower, recent events in Ukraine should not come as a surprise. Chapter 6, The Twilight War, lays out how Russian geography and demographic realities would dictate Russian aggression in its immediate periphery. This is not a...
zeihan.com
There are plenty of Peter Zeihan's lectures on YouTube if you are interested. I find his analysis fascinating. He combines geography, economics, demographics and politics to make predictions on what the world will look like in the future. His main themes are the US will stop being the world's policeman; most first world nations face huge declines in population; there will be an increase in regional wars; millions of people in failed nations will face starvation. The only good news is the US will be relatively immune to most of these global changes.
This article provides a summary. I have read all 3 of his books and highly recommend them.
Russia's Twilight War - Zeihan on Geopolitics
For those of you who have read my second book, The Absent Superpower, recent events in Ukraine should not come as a surprise. Chapter 6, The Twilight War, lays out how Russian geography and demographic realities would dictate Russian aggression in its immediate periphery. This is not a...
There are plenty of Peter Zeihan's lectures on YouTube if you are interested. I find his analysis fascinating. He combines geography, economics, demographics and politics to make predictions on what the world will look like in the future. His main themes are the US will stop being the world's policeman; most first world nations face huge declines in population; there will be an increase in regional wars; millions of people in failed nations will face starvation. The only good news is the US will be relatively immune to most of these global changes.
I will look into your links and suggestions.
Thanks.
As for starvation - Russia is the top grain exporter and Ukraine is the fifth top exporter. If countries around the world boycott Russian grain and the war severely reduces Ukraine exports - then a lot of people in the world are going to be eating less. The starvation prediction might become reality sooner than people think.
It is unlikely we will face an actual shortage. But we certainly will face much higher prices.
It is unlikely we will face an actual shortage. But we certainly will face much higher prices.
Perhaps we need a reset, a good one, but once that bucket of shit is kicked over, everyone's going to wear it or smell of it.
Personally I have a new Baby and have pledged my Life in her protection and rearing...War is Hell and doesn't give a fuck who it takes.
Personally I have a new Baby and have pledged my Life in her protection and rearing...War is Hell and doesn't give a fuck who it takes.
spat
.950 JDJ
Don't have kids.
Also, odds are we will not get back what we've got. It's a crap shoot what we'll end up with, and it probably won't be better.
Through all of human history the odds of getting a government like the one our founders set up is miniscule.
spat
.950 JDJ
While the elites prattle on about overpopulation, the problem is just the opposite.
China solved their overpopulation problem with their draconian "one child policy". They are now fucked.
Human population will level off in the next couple decades and then start to decline. Then all the stuff we've borrowed from future generations (like SS) will collapse.
Some countries are hitting this earlier than others.
Some are counting on immigration to save them.
The problem is that the same phenomenon is coming to the 3rd world too. Like everything else they are just a little behind.
If you think a world with 50 billion people is scary, you should try one with only 5 now.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
We may have just gone up a notch..................!!
Poland has just agreed to provide all of its Mig29's (around 29 in total) to Ukraine with the US backfilling with F16's to Poland
The plan seems to be to fly the Mig's to Frankfurt and have the Ukraine pilots "pick them up" from there
Putin has already stated that would be an escalation and a declaration of war, if any country was involved in supplying fighter jets
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out today
news.sky.com
Poland has just agreed to provide all of its Mig29's (around 29 in total) to Ukraine with the US backfilling with F16's to Poland
The plan seems to be to fly the Mig's to Frankfurt and have the Ukraine pilots "pick them up" from there
Putin has already stated that would be an escalation and a declaration of war, if any country was involved in supplying fighter jets
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out today
Ukraine war: Poland offers all its MIG-29 fighter jets to US in plan to provide aircraft to Kyiv
Washington has been looking at a proposal under which Poland would supply Ukraine with Soviet-era fighters and in turn receive American F-16s to make up for their loss.
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Further update.....................Germany is saying they have NOT AGREED to this process..................I think the phrase is that Germany are shitting themselves as that would put them into the target zone of Putin
So looks like Poland are happy to provide them to the US in Frankfurt (Ramstein airbase), but the Germans are not agreeing to that route!
So looks like Poland are happy to provide them to the US in Frankfurt (Ramstein airbase), but the Germans are not agreeing to that route!
spat
.950 JDJ
Why can't Ukraine just pick them up in Poland ?
Also, it's bullshit.
If Putin is going to attack Germany over this, then he's going to attack Germany no matter what. He'll just keep pushing until there's something you can't ignore.
Saltwater60
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You know we are 90% of NATO. I’m not saying that 90% is statistically accurate I’m just saying if we don’t do it then it will not happen.
I’m not saying I support us entering I’m just saying I think Biden will do xyz to get Russia to do something and we will get sucked in that’s all. I sure do feel bad for the Ukrainians, but a war I do not want.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I don’t think China, NK, Iran will stand by and let us pummel Russia. Our woke forces or not we will crush Russia but other shitty countries will make bank off of this and they won’t stand for us Doug what needs to be done or Putin will get desperate and launch a nuke. The only way to get into this war(I don’t support getting into this war) is to just duck Russia up so bad they can’t launch a nuke with what Putin has said. We won’t do that.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
My thoughts exactly. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s dead in a few months from cancer or something.
Like I said in the other thread. The rest of NATO was told to get your ducks in a row. Build up your military might or pay for fair share. They did neither so fucking suffer. I don't give a fuck. We have not even been paid for WWII yet.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Problem is we back this move and we are back filling polands planes with a gift of our planes. We also said we will airdrop supplies that the Ukrainian military needs. To me this is getting involved in the war and I’m sure Putin sees it the same. All it will take is a polish plane or American plane to get shot down and we’re likely at war. All this BS and I mean BS because I only belive half of what I see on the news is to get people to support a war against Russia. The war against Russia will give Biden a win and excuse/distraction from the issues at home. Inflation is because of the war, gas prices is because of the war, it will solve a lot of Biden’s problems and people here will eat it up.
Poland said this wasn't a go. Skynews is propaganda.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
I'm reasonably certain we're the arsonists too.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Weve already sent entire planes full of gifts for the Russians. This is definitely an escalation re. The jets but we are already directly responsible for the deaths of Russian military courtesy of millions sent in anti tank and air craft weapons.