Schumer and Gillibrand want universal background checks or nothing at all
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Diesel Tech
.40 S&W
We need better background checks, and no more non FFL private sale gun purchases nation wide. If we keep having kids and innocent people getting slaughtered then the laws in this nation will change so drastically that NY will look like a gun friendly state. Wake the hell up, America is pissed over these mass shootings. People will vote for the leadership that's willing to do something about it. Every mass shooting sinks gun owners further into the crap hole. Polls show that we are in trouble as gun owners. A shooting similar to the horror show we had in Newtown will make Americans go to the polls for gun reform candidates like you've never seen before.
soylentBlue
.357 mag
And after Universal Background Checks is passed and the shootings continue? What then?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Someone enlighten me please.
does “universal background check” mean. Is it like “common sense gun laws”?
does “universal background check” mean. Is it like “common sense gun laws”?
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
UBCs will make no difference. Should you need a BGC to sell a car? What if the buyer has no license for drunk driving convictions, what about vehicular homicide? Its a shame you are willing to give up our rights for nonsense rhetoric.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ben Franklin
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Universal background check means national gun registry. They can't check if a background check was done if they don't already know who has what.Someone enlighten me please.
spat
.950 JDJ
Even "thoughts and prayers" are at least as effective as background checks at stopping these things.
If you are going to demand we "do something" without regard to whether that something is effective, then you can't sidestep the fact that we are "doing something" now.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There are more than 23000 gun control laws on the books in this country. Bad people will do bad things regardless of laws, and its not acceptable to punish the law abiding for the acts of a few lunatics.
JohnD13
.357 mag
My vote is to give them nothing, they said they wanted it.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think you maybe overly optimistic about the gun issue. I think the indoctrinated millennial is completely ambivalent to the issue. Personally, Im hoping the millennial is so apathetic they simply stay home in 2020. Most people, in my opinion, are more worried about their jobs and healthcare than guns.
what Law abiding gun owners need to do is keep bring Chicago, Baltimore and St Lewis into the spot light. Statistically speaking, Your safer in Afghanistan than Chicago.
p.s.: all the NICS needs is better reporting by Law enforcement, thats all. Not more laws, not more BGC, simply have local law enforcement do there jobs
vanderblack
.357 mag
"Where guns are worshiped like idols and protection of life is secondary." They just don't get it. My guns ARE for protection of life. Is that so difficult to comprehend???????
spat
.950 JDJ
So are they saying that this should be ruled an unconstitutional interference in the practice of religion as well as a violation of the RKBA ?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Many of these shooters if not most of them seem to be able to pass a background check ... Some say if one lies on the form then an arrest should be made ... What happens if a false hit is made ... Many folks have been mixed up with another name and have been denied the sale ... Going to cuff them also.?
In New York State the answer to that question is now yes.
Now in NYS if someone gets a delay that doesn't come back then they have to wait 30 business days(the key being business days). We can no longer transfer after the 3 business days. NICs are only good for 30 calendar days. While they might not need to be reported for being delayed they are pretty much denied the purchase.
Any denied NICs check made is supposed to be reported anyway regardless of NYS as the person lying on the 4473 is committing a felony. Proceeds are removed from the system after the check is cleared. Denied checks stay in the system forever and when you local BATF guy comes to audit your books they are going to ask about he denies and what you did to follow up on them.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This exactly. Then more laws.
Until nobody dies at all, ever from guns, the gun-grabbers will keep pushing for new laws endlessly, without tiring.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I also think most voters don't give a shit about climate change. I think the dems are falling on their own sword on some of these tangential issues.
People prioritize what they care about. If you're up to your ass in student debt and under employed you're going to have saving the turtles pretty low down your list when push actually comes to shove. And I think most people know gun violence does not, never will impact them directly.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Universal means universal, universal background check for guns, voting, driver's license, library card, credit check.
Universal background check is a way to compile a list of gun owners in a national data base. The 2A never said anything about background checks or data base list.
Universal background check is a way to compile a list of gun owners in a national data base. The 2A never said anything about background checks or data base list.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
when Beikirchs was in business I bought a gun from them and was denied? I said how could that be, I have had a permit for 20+ years. the guy said "don't panic, give it 5 minutes" he called back 5 minutes later and was confirmed? LOL The NICS is a joke, it ony screws with the good guys, the bad guys couldn't careless
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Universal registry, oh please, just one more itsy bitsy law and we are done we promise, well, till universal confiscation.
Robin
Robin
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I think everyone agrees with your sediments on the mass shootings. But It wont do anything to stop mass shootings , and when it fails, they will lament over more tougher gun laws . Adam Lanza wasn't even old enough to legally purchase a weapon , yet he obtained one, and allegedly killed 27 people . background checks would have done nothing to stop him Steven Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had no mental health conditions was a retired government worker and a very successful video poker player ( if you believe the official story)
Background checks do nothing to stop crime. Laws against murder and rape do not stop murder and rapes. back grounds checks are a back door registration , repackaged and relabeled ,and sold as an answer to ""gun violence""
What it will also do is give the state a legal right to confiscate weapons without due process of law. which will inevitably end up killing otherwise law abiding citizens in the name of peace.In fact, more people would probably die in confiscations in one year then all the mass shootings combined.
Everything is done for the ""public good /safety, ask your self how much time and money is being spent on the mentally ill in this country? How much effort have they spent to help or contain sick people? the same ones accused of doing the crimes? How much money have the lobbyists been throwing at the mentally ill?
This is nothing more than an excuse that will result in confiscation and blood shed of innocent Americans . Who's going to cry for them? The crazy gun owning criminals? No one, because they will considered criminals and hostile to law enforcement. They will be demonized on TV as far right , nazi white extremists.
Here is the thing Trump has been way more pro universal BCG than against them..
He will sign a bill with those 100%, these two will claim victory for that happening (even though he has always been for them) and this will give them the momentum they need to keep going after more and more gun rights.
Also fucking cancerous turncoats like @Diesel Tech are continuing to fuck over everyone by siding with the crown.... but again other members on this forum keep saying we need to welcome cucks like him into our ranks..
He will sign a bill with those 100%, these two will claim victory for that happening (even though he has always been for them) and this will give them the momentum they need to keep going after more and more gun rights.
Also fucking cancerous turncoats like @Diesel Tech are continuing to fuck over everyone by siding with the crown.... but again other members on this forum keep saying we need to welcome cucks like him into our ranks..
Ignorant anti 2A gun owners are far worse than anti gunners.
These are the people who convince politicians that "90% of gun owners support universal BGCs"........like Biden just claimed.
So, people who know nothing about guns think, hey, if almost all gun owners support this, it must be right.
Also, anti 2A gun owners are anti American and anti rule of law.
The constitution is a take all, or leave all document. If you are against part of it, you are against all of it.
@Diesel Tech
These laws you support are to save lives and stop crimes, correct.
Well, I believe a cop should be able to search anybody, anywhere as long as they "think" the person is up to no good, no probable cause or reasonable suspicion needed.
They should be able to pull over anyone, for any reason, even if that reason is because the driver is black...or looks gay.
Ask any cop, these ideas I have would absolutely save lives and stop crimes.
There are reasons we dont violate the constitution. One reason is that once you start, there is no stopping.
Look at all the SJWs who want offending someone to be ILLEGAL.
Do you get it yet?
Im hoping people like you are just ignorant and not stupid.
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Did you notice that they said the “el Paso” shooting was described as a “private sale”. Then the seller in the “private sale” was arrested for being an illegal dealer. The El Paso shooter was denied a sale on NICS. He found an illegal dealer.
If the democrats had their way, illegal sales would soar because normally lawful people would buy. And if getting caught with a semi auto is jail time, why wouldn’t they just get a full auto and run the same risk.
If the democrats had their way, illegal sales would soar because normally lawful people would buy. And if getting caught with a semi auto is jail time, why wouldn’t they just get a full auto and run the same risk.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
If he is a turncoat. Could be a skinny jeaned metrosexual twit who came up with a blue collar handle to troll with. Or I’m wrong and he is just a pathetic FUDD. Either way some kind of special
"Gun owner" who supports gun control = turncoat
repete
.338 Win Mag
So you want us to do something? OK I did something, I bought another gun! Is that sufficient?