SCOTUS denies NYC request to hold off briefing
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repete
.338 Win Mag
Sounds like a good thing to me!
Very.. NYc tried to change their laws to stop the case from moving forward (shows they know they would lose) then asked scotus to hold off because look it's no longer the law.. and scotus said hahahha nice try
FUNYC!
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Overheard this at the gun show this weekend. Put the screws to em!
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Generally the Supreme Court does not like people playing games with standing . . . as NYC tried to do.
Apparently this could happen again once NYC actually implements their new bull$&^* rule illegally "allowing" premise holders to transport.
So once NYC makes their new "rule" SCOTUS could still toss the case...Which I really don't want to see happen. Hopefully SCOTUS is saying "a simple rule change ain't gonna cut it" because a "rule" can too easily be changed back with no consequences.
My real concern is that when NYC loses...the decision will be so narrow and ambiguous that NYC will just petition the NY State legislature to simply amend PL400 to create a new "premise-only / unloaded transport / target / hunting only" pistol permit.
So even the unlucky bastards with "restricted" carry permits will be cut down to having "premise only" permits that sometimes "allow" unloaded transport under certain strict conditions.
SCOTUS needs to slap them hard with strict scrutiny. Which won't happen, but they at least need to tell NYC that they have to allow some form of unrestricted unloaded carry...because you can bet when NYC loses they will make a law allowing unloaded carry "to and from sanctioned NRA matches, to and from owned property, and only to and from hunting grounds, during hunting season."
So once NYC makes their new "rule" SCOTUS could still toss the case...Which I really don't want to see happen. Hopefully SCOTUS is saying "a simple rule change ain't gonna cut it" because a "rule" can too easily be changed back with no consequences.
My real concern is that when NYC loses...the decision will be so narrow and ambiguous that NYC will just petition the NY State legislature to simply amend PL400 to create a new "premise-only / unloaded transport / target / hunting only" pistol permit.
So even the unlucky bastards with "restricted" carry permits will be cut down to having "premise only" permits that sometimes "allow" unloaded transport under certain strict conditions.
SCOTUS needs to slap them hard with strict scrutiny. Which won't happen, but they at least need to tell NYC that they have to allow some form of unrestricted unloaded carry...because you can bet when NYC loses they will make a law allowing unloaded carry "to and from sanctioned NRA matches, to and from owned property, and only to and from hunting grounds, during hunting season."
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
@thewheels
.308 Win
Scotus knows the shitty can change the rules on a whim unless there's a ruling.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I fear you are correct. If they are slapped around, they will just amend the penal law to make restricted permits law where loaded carry is illegal and then people that live in Westchester will really be screwed.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The SCOTUS is going to hear the case regardless of what NYC does now.
This does not mean the end of the Sullivan law restrictions. Just the ability to travel to a place where it is legal to have your gun.
They could do more but I don’t think they will. I think the ruling will be limited to rules that are stupid even to those who believe in restrictions-similar to how the federal judge ruled against the 7 rounds in a 10 round magazine.
This does not mean the end of the Sullivan law restrictions. Just the ability to travel to a place where it is legal to have your gun.
They could do more but I don’t think they will. I think the ruling will be limited to rules that are stupid even to those who believe in restrictions-similar to how the federal judge ruled against the 7 rounds in a 10 round magazine.
@thewheels
.308 Win
I highly doubt they'll entirely destroy Sullivan as well but I catching myself dreaming that they smack down some of it.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
My view is that SCOTUS is super unlikely to let NYC wiggle out of the case, but that the court will not decide the case on RKBA grounds but rather on commerce grounds.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. That would work out of state. But what about in NYS? A premises permit is not legal anywhere in NYS but on premises listed on the permit with some exemptions like to a gunsmith. So if someone wants to go hunting with their pistol, they still cannot but the city is telling them they can in contrast to the penal law.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
FUNYC is right! Fingers crossed!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Probably.
But, it would also open the door to change all administrative restrictions on permits issued to law-abiding citizens who have passed background checks and been appropriately approved for pistol permits (which, should not be necessary at all. But...one step at a time.).
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Change them to what?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Change them to carrying against the restrictions being the force of law.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Way to take a potentially good thing and turn it into a bad thing. If anything, this should do away with trivial "administrative" restrictions. It's just funny how the left is shitting their collective pants over how the court will rule over this. Fearing that it may be the landmark case that dictates how every lower court in the country must consider and rule on 2A cases. Then we have people on our side with fears that this case will be ruled on such narrow grounds that it really isn't even a 2A case at all, but merely a commerce case. Speculation. It's all speculation until the case is heard and we have a ruling.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
One thing for sure, I DON'T CARE. I have no desire or inclination to go the NYShitty for any reason. I hope the ruling goes in their favor and they can carry/transport out side the home but honestly, the older I get, the longer Im in this shit hole, the less I care
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I read that from Dave's thread and agreed with him. It's good when people give you different perspectives. It seems totally plausible for them to change the penal law to get what they want.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if only some one would retire from the bench
If they change their law that still restricts what already is established ruling by the SCOTUS is won't fly! They "will" change it to what "they" want regardless of SCITUS ruling here too as evident in their continued trampling of NYC Resident Citizens Rights...
Restrict to household and oh, permit travel where legal... Ummmm yeah, ok! Where is that? Oh, a NYC range? Really? So you're permitted to exercise this Right, but only within the confines of what the Gov't allows when everywhere else, you have the freedoms to travel. I agree, Commerce Clause is a good avenue, but the one that needs to be addressed is "Scrutiny"... "THAT" ruling is what will end all the BS, plain and simple!
Restrict to household and oh, permit travel where legal... Ummmm yeah, ok! Where is that? Oh, a NYC range? Really? So you're permitted to exercise this Right, but only within the confines of what the Gov't allows when everywhere else, you have the freedoms to travel. I agree, Commerce Clause is a good avenue, but the one that needs to be addressed is "Scrutiny"... "THAT" ruling is what will end all the BS, plain and simple!
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
My fear is that it would be Justice Thomas.
This is great. I am sure when NYC came up with their solution of changing the law to keep the court from making a precedent on this FUAC and that scumbag mayor were patting each other on the back.
Nice try the court is going to eat up that law and spit it out now.
Nice try the court is going to eat up that law and spit it out now.
I don't think you quite understand the gravity if this case...It's not only about NYC...this is quite possibly the case where SCOTUS decides the level of scrutiny to be applied to 2nd amendment cases. If that happens, and we get strict scrutiny, goodbye NYC gun laws, goodbye SAFE Act, goodbye Sullivan Act, goodbye May Issue.
Not gonna happen, but that is the goal.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
oh I understand, my point is, I won't be here, I'm outa here in two years. therefore I DON'T CARE.