Seneca nation wins legal victory against NYS over disputed land the I-90 was built

[Saltwater60]

Federal judge rules New York lacked right to build Thruway on Seneca land

A federal judge just sided with the Seneca Nation in a decades-long Thruway dispute—but what comes next?

www.wgrz.com

 

[tirwin1]

Won't this be interesting. When do the Indians begin setting up barricades on the thruway lol.

 

[Steal2B]

Won't this be interesting. When do the Indians begin setting up barricades on the thruway lol.

 

[CNYJohn]

Easy fix
Shut down that portion of the thruway
Send ALL traffic on the state routes through the rez.
Build a huge loop around the rez and move the state highway afterwards.
Cut the rez off

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Easy fix
Shut down that portion of the thruway
Send ALL traffic on the state routes through the rez.
Build a huge loop around the rez and move the state highway afterwards.
Cut the rez off

WTF? Come on man, anytime somebody, or a group, can shove it right back up NEW YORKS ASS, let it happen! I hope to see the elites fucked hard everyday, like they`ve done to all of us. Fuck NYS and their communist bullshit.

 

[pshift]

Make the toll $10.00 and see what happens....

 

[C3D]

Well it's about money. The Senecas will take a bunch, the Thruway will have less, the tolls will go up to make up the difference, and everyone in upstate New York will pay for it directly or indirectly.

 

[Zerex]

A fucking lib Magistrate judge................not even a real, low level District level judge at all. More Fed appeals up the chain likely. if it even makes it that far.

Onondaga's have a similar claim to Rt 81...........INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS

The outcome will be as ususal...............pound salt.

 

[FP1201]

Well it's about money. The Senecas will take a bunch, the Thruway will have less, the tolls will go up to make up the difference, and everyone in upstate New York will pay for it directly or indirectly.

I wonder how many Millions a day the Thruway takes in?

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Well it's about money. The Senecas will take a bunch, the Thruway will have less, the tolls will go up to make up the difference, and everyone in upstate New York will pay for it directly or indirectly.

Fuckin awesome!

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I wonder how many Millions a day the Thruway takes in?

We`re still waiting for the bill from last month.

 

[dwa12479]

Awesome, cant wait for NYS to have to pay them an assload of money and the tolls will go up. Again. Even though they were SUPPOSED to go to $0.00 in 1996 when all the bonds were paid off.

 

[Saltwater60]

Easy fix
Shut down that portion of the thruway
Send ALL traffic on the state routes through the rez.
Build a huge loop around the rez and move the state highway afterwards.
Cut the rez off

Sounds great until the tax payers get that bill. I don’t want to pay for that.

 

[Saltwater60]

Awesome, cant wait for NYS to have to pay them an assload of money and the tolls will go up. Again. Even though they were SUPPOSED to go to $0.00 in 1996 when all the bonds were paid off.

Then they saw the revenue stream and loved it.

 

[Saltwater60]

I wonder how many Millions a day the Thruway takes in?

It takes in about a billion a year.

 

[repete]

Easy fix
Shut down that portion of the thruway
Send ALL traffic on the state routes through the rez.
Build a huge loop around the rez and move the state highway afterwards.
Cut the rez off

EZ if your playing with Hot Wheel cars and Tonka trucks in a sand box, real life. not so much!

 

[dwa12479]

Then they saw the revenue stream and loved it.

Precisely. Once government establishes a revenue stream it will NEVER cease to exist.

 

[C3D]

I wonder how many Millions a day the Thruway takes in?

ChatGPT did a lot of work since no data is published by segment, but makes a pretty good estimate of the revenue for the segment in question at $106m per year. So expect the Senecas to take the bulk of that, and also expect Seneca tribal police to start patrolling that segment of the road for more revenue.

One lesson I took from a recent trip around AZ - UT - NM is never ever speed on tribal lands!

 

[CNYJohn]

federal funds help to pay for the building of the thruway, therefore it is also a federal highway, like all interstate highways

but the injuns are pissed because previous generations of injuns struck a deal that todays redskins dont like

well suck it up injuns.........................................................the last time you all went to war with white men you got your asses kicked............................


And Id rather pay for a new highway all the way around injun land and cut off the rez than give into them

there is a reason the old remark was " indian giver"



ya kno its always something with the injuns...........................and they claim their land as a sovereign land, well then pay for all your social programs yourselves and see how that works out for you all
and no, do not acknowledge their law enforcement officers, insist on New York State Troopers to be called on scene or local PD before dealing with injun cops

 

[OwnTheRide]

Well it's about money. The Senecas will take a bunch, the Thruway will have less, the tolls will go up to make up the difference, and everyone in upstate New York will pay for it directly or indirectly.

Don't worry, the tolls will all go away when the initial construction costs are paid off. I mean, that's what the state told us back when it was built, and SURELY they wouldn't lie.

Right?

...Right?

Oh...

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Give then another bucket of shiny stones like we did for the Lousiana purchase........throw in a konch shell for good measure.......

Its gonna cost us....on way or another gonna cost us big.. im sure.
right or wrong its gonna cost..and WE will be paying for it.

 

[jimc]

ChatGPT did a lot of work since no data is published by segment, but makes a pretty good estimate of the revenue for the segment in question at $106m per year. So expect the Senecas to take the bulk of that, and also expect Seneca tribal police to start patrolling that segment of the road for more revenue.

One lesson I took from a recent trip around AZ - UT - NM is never ever speed on tribal lands!

AI is also covering for the gov. My question was 'When was the nys thruway supposed to be free?'

 

[Saltwater60]

federal funds help to pay for the building of the thruway, therefore it is also a federal highway, like all interstate highways

but the injuns are pissed because previous generations of injuns struck a deal that todays redskins dont like

well suck it up injuns.........................................................the last time you all went to war with white men you got your asses kicked............................


And Id rather pay for a new highway all the way around injun land and cut off the rez than give into them

there is a reason the old remark was " indian giver"



ya kno its always something with the injuns...........................and they claim their land as a sovereign land, well then pay for all your social programs yourselves and see how that works out for you all
and no, do not acknowledge their law enforcement officers, insist on New York State Troopers to be called on scene or local PD before dealing with injun cops

NYS still plays games and still screws them. I’ll side with them over NYS any day. Maybe they will take the money and start making ammo??

 

[Saltwater60]

Give then another bucket of shiny stones like we did for the Lousiana purchase........throw in a konch shell for good measure.......

Its gonna cost us....on way or another gonna cost us big.. im sure.
right or wrong its gonna cost..and WE will be paying for it.

Probably already has with the lawsuit money.

 

[OwnTheRide]

AI is also covering for the gov. My question was 'When was the nys thruway supposed to be free?'

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AI lies, all the time. I used it to search for something for work, and it just made up some complete bullshit. It claimed software libraries that don't exist, did

 

[tirwin1]

NYS still plays games and still screws them. I’ll side with them over NYS any day. Maybe they will take the money and start making ammo??

Not me. It's ridiculous this is being decided now after all these years. The history was shitty but those events were over and done with a century ago. If you think the Indian "nation" is some scrappy underdog that shares our values then you are mistaken.

I was recently on a rafting ride out west in part of the Navajo nation. Our guide told stories about how the Navajo escaped the cavalry by climbing up and down steep canyon walls. The guide clearly was on the side of the Indians and most of the other people in the boat agreed. Yet if the Navajo had won none of these people would be enjoying their leisurely trip down the river.

I don't have any problem highlighting the atrocities of the plains wars but let's not over romanticize these people.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

NYS still plays games and still screws them. I’ll side with them over NYS any day. Maybe they will take the money and start making ammo??

Time to open a new and improved Smokin Joe’s store on the res:

Make it a drive in and through so the purple tie squad can’t see what transpires inside, Shield the entry and exit from their prying eyes.

Pop your trunk, and place your order for tax free goods: - alcohol, ammunition, gasoline, smokes, and whatever else that New Yorkistan can be stiffed out of collecting anything on. (Taxes, and / background check info on. Remember, NYS has NO Legal jurisdiction there as the res is a sovereign land beyond NY’s control, so what you buy there is absolutely legal).

Pay up (cash is king); close the trunk lid, and be on your way. Just like buying gasoline there now is!

 

[Bigfoot]

Time to open a new and improved Smokin Joe’s store on the res:

Make it a drive in and through so the purple tie squad can’t see what transpires inside, Shield the entry and exit from their prying eyes.

Pop your trunk, and place your order for tax free goods: - alcohol, ammunition, gasoline, smokes, and whatever else that New Yorkistan can be stiffed out of collecting anything on. (Taxes, and / background check info on. Remember, NYS has NO Legal jurisdiction there as the res is a sovereign land beyond NY’s control, so what you buy there is absolutely legal).

Pay up (cash is king); close the trunk lid, and be on your way. Just like buying gasoline there now is!

I've lived right next to an Indian Reservation for the last 35 years. I'm on the so-called Rez every day. I know the people, some of them are my friends. I also know the history, I'm not talking about overall history. I'm referring to my local history — the history of where I have lived for a long time. I know what I'm talking about.


This was a few miles from my house, and I have seen the boot of New York State for myself.



I also understand their frustrations and resolve to fight tyranny... NY UNSAFE Act / CCIA ring a bell?


I'm here to say I have read many uninformed, sometimes retarded posts in this thread.
It's just another example of why New York State is what it is. Most of you are placing the blame where it doesn't belong. IMHO

The New York State Government is an enemy of freedom, not to mention corrupt as fuck.
Follow the money, I'm surprised that ah fuck it. Who cares about honoring treaties,
sovereign territory and all of that kind of stuff, right?

Besides all that, lol, when I buy fuel, cigarettes, or whatever is available on the reservation, I don't pay taxes to the rogue New York State Government. That saves me money and denies the corrupt New York State Government that money. Does it matter when considering the big picture? Probably not. But it sure does make my hard-earned money go further.

But "Injuns" and all sorts of stuff. Doh!

On top of all that, lol.
There are other ways of getting from point A to point B other than using the NYS Thruway.
Ask me how I know...

But freedom is scary, and having to adjust and use other options is inconvenient I suppose.
Ho Lee Fuk! A lot of you are confused about who the actual enemy is, who's also stealing your money. It's definitely not the so-called iNjUnS doing that shit.

I wanted to post this in smoke signals, but I don't know how to do that.
I've watched my Indian friend do a rain dance, and we still haven't gotten any rain.
Maybe he just isn't very good at dancing IDK.

 

[togmaster]

 

[CNYJohn]

NYS still plays games and still screws them. I’ll side with them over NYS any day. Maybe they will take the money and start making ammo??

you mean like how the oneidas said, give us the right to open a casino and we'll use the profits to better our community????
and then they said make it right that we want our land back and NY gave them huge swaths of land and they began to raise beef and crops only to give it up?
yea, so instead of really improving the overall community of oneidas per capital income, they spent it on more casinos, more smoke shops, pot shops, gas stations and other businesses all the while NOT improving to income of their community.
they are a great many oneidas living in the oneida, sherrill, verona area that are still living in poverty and getting ny public assistance, more assistance from ny than from the injun nation......................................

halbritter and cronies live very comfortably