Shooter reported, people reported shot at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland

[99cummins]

Update: Broward County Florida School Shooting – Multiple Victims – Marjory Stoneman Douglas High…
This is from the treehouse ...

jbrickley says:
February 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm


Here we go. He was adopted as a baby along with his brother and took the name Cruz. His adopted father passed away a decade ago. His adopted mother raised him until she died of flu and complications with pneumonia last November 1st. He was living with a different family who had no clue what he was up to except to say he was sad and depressed.

He’s autistic just like Adam Lanza and on medications possibly SSRI’s. Many with autism have Aspergers syndrome as it’s on the scale. This can mean difficulties with empathy toward others. Cruz exhibited troubling violence against animals with several instances mentioned in the press. Also mentioned that he had his dog attack the neighbors and the mother didn’t deal with it all that well. He was prone to angry outbursts. The student population was weary of him because he was just off and not normal. Before he was expelled he was banned from carrying a backpack on campus. That’s a clear indication the school was concerned about weapons. He threatened students. Everyone knew he had firearms as he was obsessed and talked about it all the time. He was enrolled an Alternate School program before being expelled. That’s for those in danger of dropping out of school. After he was expelled he ended up attending adult education in pursuit of a GED and working at a local Dollar Store. The FBI were alerted to a post on a YouTube video about wanting to be a professional school shooter. The video poster reported him to YouTube and Police and the FBI interviewed him twice but they couldn’t get a warrant from Google who owns YouTube to identify the poster. The name matches but they couldn’t identify the correct person without data from YouTube. More will come out in the investigation. If the school was so concerned why didn’t they file for a restraining order and tell the police he has firearms and made violent threats?

There are plenty of people with Aspergers (on the autism scale) and lots of sociopaths who are no danger to themselves or others. Much like Adam Lanza it seems his mother was ill equipped the deal with him and the ability to get proper mental treatment in this country is abysmal. Even if you have the money it’s just about impossible to help a mentally ill child. I’ve read stories where a mother woke up to find her 12 year old ready to stab her with a cooking knife in the middle of the night. She fought him off and had to lock up all the sharps in the house and had to lock him in his room for the safety of the rest of the family. She was distraught and tried everything to get help and there was nothing.

We don’t have a gun problem in this country we have a mental health crisis of epic proportions and a PC culture run amok where everyone is afraid of offending the mentally ill. Regular MD’s are prescribing SSRI’s without proper therapy and misdiagnosing patients. The SSRI’s don’t solve the problem they only smooth you out and the side effects are terrible so people go off their meds because they are tired of feeling numb and having sexual side effects and dry mouth and being tired all the time. Going on and off the drugs causes major problems. You have to be weened off most of these drugs you can’t just suddenly cease to take them, it’s dangerous. They need therapy and guidance and oversight they need to want to control their condition. They need to be identified and helped properly. Some are so sick they really need to be locked up for the safety of the public. Unfortunately they get abused.

That public defender really pisses me off. She claims he’s a broken child and that he’s remorseful which definitely doesn’t fit the facts at all. He planned this to great detail. Gas mask, smoke grenades, AR-15, hundreds of rounds a ammo preloaded into multiple magazines. He rented an Uber to the school, walked in, hit the fire alarm and executed people in the hallways. A teacher outside spotted him identified him, alerted the staff with a radio and moments later when the fire alarm went off the teacher called in a code red. It was total chaos. Then he ditched his gear and tried to walk out with his hands in the air like a victim hiding among other victims. The police had a description of him and nabbed him. He was brought to the hospital to be treated for labored breathing due to smoke inhalation. He spoke with investigators. Not all the details have been released.

Everyone at that school knew this guy Cruz was a big problem and due to B.S. political correctness nothing was done. It’s absolutely insane! There was an armed officer at the school but the place is so big the officer couldn’t find the shooter in the sprawling campus with 3,000 students.

I first and foremost blame the shooter he’s an adult he knew what he was doing. I next blame the school administrators for not taking more extreme actions. I blame the school system for preventing extreme actions from being pursued due to some misguided liberal thinking. I blame the FBI for not being able to react fast enough with a warrant to Google / YouTube and perhaps Google for making the process difficult and any judge who made the process difficult and time consuming. I blame his mother and the people he was living with. I blame anyone else who didn’t report this nutter if they had more detailed information about his plans.

The perimeter doors should have been locked from the outside he should have needed to be identified and buzzed in. Perhaps he tailgated if someone walked out we don’t know yet.

Lord, hindsight may be 20/20 but we as a society need to do a lot better. There are armed guards everywhere in the Philippines at all the schools, at all public spaces and shopping centers even the hotels had armed uniformed guards outside and inside. Metal detectors at the mall entrances and a male and female guard to search your bags and jackets for weapons.

If they didn’t trust him to come in the school with a back pack why in the fuck would they let him in at all? What are people thinking?

And it still blows my mind. As a society we have generally decided that protecting money with GUNS is ok. Protecting politicians with GUNS is ok. Protecting famous people with GUNS is ok. Protecting valuables with GUNS is ok. Protecting people from criminals with GUNS is ok. But mention protecting schools and children with guns and you are the second coming of hitler. Why is every school not equipped with armed and trained individuals? Whether that be dedicated security or trained teachers and admins that are armed or a combination of both. Many schools have a bunch of administrative staff making six figures a year. How about sending some of that money towards security. I just can’t understand the blatant and stupid lack of security at schools.

I also found out tonight that a guy I know that lives in Florida, not far from this school actually, sends his kid to a private daycare. Not a big school, just daycare. This daycare has two, yes 2, armed guards on duty at all times that the daycare is operating. I get that this is private vs public but if they see security being this important why aren’t others taking it as seriously.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

One one hand, I praise the Sheriff, (Israel?). They seem to be getting the details out there right away, completely unlike the Vegas shooting...

Now, on the other hand, I am puzzled by something I read on Fox tonight. They included a timeline of the event, and this is what gets me, IF it is in fact true.

Supposedly, the shooter opened up at 2:21, and the cops showed up at 2:53??? 32 minutes later? That CAN’T be correct...

I absolutely do believe that these mass shootings really are due in large part to people with mental health issues. Dealing with them presents a whole host of issues that will not be solved without great effort.

As far as hardening schools so that they are not such a target, that really doesn’t seem to be that difficult. Metal screening at entry; roving officers and authorized CCW’ers seems like the place to start. One problem I see is when kids are in and outside for sports, and when being dismissed,- just as when happened here. They all want to make a mad rush for the exits at the same time, which throws security against someone coming in out the window.

My local town has a bloated police force IMHO,- approximately 50 officers in a tiny little suburban enclave. Seems like they spend 99% of their time driving around town handing out traffic tickets, and directing traffic at accident scenes.

To my mind, they should be diverted to the schools at those vulnerable times. Besides, we could stand a break for a few minutes every day from their constant patrolling for dollars...

 

[Catskillkid]

Anti-Gun Nonsense: Here Are Three Idiotic Talking Points Being Peddled By The Left After Florida Shooting

 

[Catskillkid]

One one hand, I praise the Sheriff, (Israel?). They seem to be getting the details out there right away, completely unlike the Vegas shooting...

Now, on the other hand, I am puzzled by something I read on Fox tonight. They included a timeline of the event, and this is what gets me, IF it is in fact true.

Supposedly, the shooter opened up at 2:21, and the cops showed up at 2:53??? 32 minutes later? That CAN’T be correct...

I absolutely do believe that these mass shootings really are due in large part to people with mental health issues. Dealing with them presents a whole host of issues that will not be solved without great effort.

As far as hardening schools so that they are not such a target, that really doesn’t seem to be that difficult. Metal screening at entry; roving officers and authorized CCW’ers seems like the place to start. One problem I see is when kids are in and outside for sports, and when being dismissed,- just as when happened here. They all want to make a mad rush for the exits at the same time, which throws security against someone coming in out the window.

My local town has a bloated police force IMHO,- approximately 50 officers in a tiny little suburban enclave. Seems like they spend 99% of their time driving around town handing out traffic tickets, and directing traffic at accident scenes.

To my mind, they should be diverted to the schools at those vulnerable times. Besides, we could stand a break for a few minutes every day from their constant patrolling for dollars...

Careful with praising that sheriff too much. He's calling for more gun control.

'This is the time to save lives' Florida Sheriff stands up to Donald Trump over guns

We're talked about it in this thread a little bit and while generally speaking I'm down for people with severe mental illnesses being prohibited from owning firearms I'm concerned about how this could be abused. We've seen here in this state that going to the ER for insomnia is enough to have your guns confiscated.

 

[Grimscale]

But mention protecting schools and children with guns and you are the second coming of hitler.

Mentioning having guns in schools to a liberal has the same effect as mentioning "sex ed" to a conservative. Both sides firmly believe that if the children see it, they will think it's "ok" and will try it.
Both sides are completely off their rocker and can't understand the concept of responsible parenting.

 

[99cummins]

Mentioning having guns in schools to a liberal has the same effect as mentioning "sex ed" to a conservative. Both sides firmly believe that if the children see it, they will think it's "ok" and will try it.
Both sides are completely off their rocker and can't understand the concept of responsible parenting.

Agreed. But many of us conceal carry a firearm everyday and people around us have no idea so how would kids see them. If you go the route of a leo in the school open carrying a sidearm, you see that all the time anyways. I think those against guns in the schools are picturing a soldier in full kit patrolling the school like he’s sweeping a neighborhood in the Middle East. Having guns in the schools would be extremely subtle. Or go the way of Israel and tell everyone that doesn’t like it to pound sand. For everyone that cry’s about things needing to be done “for the children,” they are hypocrites when it comes to protecting schools.

 

[Armyman 73]

What I don't understand is he entered the school through an unlocked side door. All schools around here you have to report to the front desk, which is behind glass in order to buzzed in to the second set of doors. Seems to me that the school was not secured.

 

[Dr. Evil]

He's in your head Dr. Ignore then off ignore. Don't let Darth win!

I hear you man. I un-ignored him because a few quoted him and I then saw the unnecessary insults. I will defend what I do as well as myself when I feel necessary. I will move on.

 

[Dr. Evil]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.56b1cbeb6c47

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[livingston]

What I don't understand is he entered the school through an unlocked side door. All schools around here you have to report to the front desk, which is behind glass in order to buzzed in to the second set of doors. Seems to me that the school was not secured.

There are no secure schools . .. Kids blocking doors open so they can smoke . ... Buy drugs ... have sex ... My sister inlaw taught in the inner city (Rochester ) kids were banging each other under the stairs . A girl would walk into a classroom .. Walk up to a guy and lift up her skirt not wearing any panties . You want some of this or you want to listen to boring stuff . .. Off they would go . ... The point is Unless one builds a school like a prison .. Doors will always be left open or unlocked . Security features will be overcome .

 

[Dr. Evil]

Liberals Tweet Hateful Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim - Because He’s a Trump Supporter!

 

[wizrd]

If the media reported figures for 'school shootings' seem high to you, it's because ALL shots fired on school grounds are counted as 'school shootings' -- even if NO ONE is shot. (This is a product of the media) - Also, suicides that take place on, or near school grounds, with no other victims involved, are counted. Mass shootings, by definition, involve four or more people being shot. As for the poiticians and media claiming this 'doesn't happen in other countrys' - that's bullshit. The U. S. ranks down around 12 or 13 on the list of mass shootings, data can be found in any of John Lott's books. -- " Big darkness, soon come." -- Hunter S. Thompson

 

[ECU Pirates]

Liberals Tweet Hateful Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim - Because He’s a Trump Supporter!

Social media has made society much worse. People say shit on it they would never have the guts today in person.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Careful with praising that sheriff too much. He's calling for more gun control.

'This is the time to save lives' Florida Sheriff stands up to Donald Trump over guns

We're talked about it in this thread a little bit and while generally speaking I'm down for people with severe mental illnesses being prohibited from owning firearms I'm concerned about how this could be abused. We've seen here in this state that going to the ER for insomnia is enough to have your guns confiscated.

I just saw that! Any further praise...ended!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Doc, don't ignore anyone. It's a safe space you are creating that's just the same as someone putting their hands over there eyes because they don't want to see something that disturbs them. That's not you.

Besides that, the threads become broken, thead context becomes screwed up due to missing posts, and you lose the ability to defend yourself.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

There are no secure schools . .. Kids blocking doors open so they can smoke . ... Buy drugs ... have sex ... My sister inlaw taught in the inner city (Rochester ) kids were banging each other under the stairs . A girl would walk into a classroom .. Walk up to a guy and lift up her skirt not wearing any panties . You want some of this or you want to listen to boring stuff . .. Off they would go . ... The point is Unless one builds a school like a prison .. Doors will always be left open or unlocked . Security features will be overcome .

I don't recall that happening back when I was in high school. I guess that what happens when your parents send you to an all guy high school...damn it!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Social media has made society much worse. People say shit on it they would never have the guts today in person.

Amen to that @ECU Pirates.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Doc, don't ignore anyone. It's a safe space you are creating that's just the same as someone putting their hands over there eyes because they don't want to see something that disturbs them. That's not you.

Besides that, the threads become broken, thead context becomes screwed up due to missing posts, and you lose the ability to defend yourself.

Good points @Willjr75. Sometimes I get in my own way out of frustration I guess. Not looking for a safe space. I just get tired of stupid personal shit that IMHO is unnecessary and unwarranted, that's all.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not exactly the answer Brian was hoping for. 2:30 in.

 

[Dr. Evil]

CNN Makes Claim That Only American Violence Targets Kids

 

[S&W Fan]

They did have somewhat of a security plan in place , as well as an armed guard. The protocol failed to be followed. Most likely due to not practicing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...862852-1294-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html

 

[Deplorable Me]

With all this pseudo fashionable talk about "civilian " gun control, people need to remember all the federal agencies that armed up and stockpiled ammo during the O'Bama era.

 

[GOPerfect]

I hear you man. I un-ignored him because a few quoted him and I then saw the unnecessary insults. I will defend what I do as well as myself when I feel necessary. I will move on.

Hey, if it makes you feel any better, about 6 years ago a Dr told me I needed to have a procedure done on my back. I went to a second and than a third Dr. All three told me the same thing.

I held off for a while, talked to a Chiropractor, he gave me a pretty good once over and told me he could fix what was ailing me. At $10 co-pays, I figured I had nothing to lose. Three visits later, I was completely fixed. Have had zero issues since.

Yeah, he was/is a real Doctor!

 

[Darth]

Doc, don't ignore anyone. It's a safe space you are creating that's just the same as someone putting their hands over there eyes because they don't want to see something that disturbs them. That's not you.

Besides that, the threads become broken, thead context becomes screwed up due to missing posts, and you lose the ability to defend yourself.

Of course it is, he runs away from arguments all the time.

Too bad my response post to the witch doctor was deleted though. Guess the def comedy jam he's got going on only works in one direction.

 

[Defilade]

I will stick by this geo tagged map of how guns SAVE lives thank you! just click on the tag.

Self Defense Map

 

[Steal2B]

Yep. Bloomberg, his Everytown storm troopers (Mayors, & Moms Demand), and the MSM/ cable networks are dishonest and sleezy . Even FNC & FBC who knows better has been using fake Everytown stats and talking points.

Florida massacre: No, there have not been 18 school shootings in 2018. Here's why that's all wrong

 

[Doc8404]

Of course it is, he runs away from arguments all the time.

Too bad my response post to the witch doctor was deleted though. Guess the def comedy jam he's got going on only works in one direction.

Your dumb ass probably didn’t hit “Post reply “

 

[ProgSpear]

Over the last few days there have been a lot of calls for "retired military or police" to be the only people to be trusted with the protection of our precious children. This is falling into the leftist, progressive fallacy that only those properly credentialed (by them) are qualified to be "first responders". Keep in mind that virtually any pistol permit holder in the gulag known as NY State has already been deemed acceptable to act as a first responder in one of these situations. A little extra training would insure that every single school in the land would never lack for proper coverage.

 

[ProgSpear]

It seems that the Israelis have already figured out a solution to this problem. (sort of like the wall thing.)
Lawrence Meyers - Israel Figured Out How to Prevent School Shootings 40 Years Ago-It's Time the US Followed Suit