Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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Celt
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100,000,000% Id have been going unarmed if need be.
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Not sure, but I believe he was assigned to the high school and may during the course of the day checked on the other schools.
Still training for active shooter means you go after the shooter until you are incapacitated.
Celt
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Agreed, its a difficult task to establish who is mentally unfit today. Political opponents of the left would all be considered mentally unfit.
If someone is involuntarily committed to a psych center and evaluated by 3 independent doctors with a consensus reached that the person is not of sound mind then perhaps that is a minimum standard I could accept; provided their is an appeals process to reverse any decision.
Our mental health system has failed and mental health is worse due to the isolation of covid, the destruction of a moral code by the leftists, globalists, big tech/big media etc... things are going to keep getting worse before they get better.
Deplorable Me
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Four weeks ago libtards at all levels were praising Ukrainian civilians for picking up full-auto AK's and preparing to defend their country from an oppressive invading communist government.
Celt
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Most people take the idea of "arming teachers" to the extreme of turning teachers into armed guards. Thats absurd, the idea is simply allow those who want to be armed to be able to.
Schools should not be gun free zones, its like shooting fish in a barrel.
Wow... Amazing responses!
Might as well try to determine what he ate for breakfast and BAN that too...
That's how much all this fringe bullshit has to do with the act of taking a firearm and shooting people ... Period!
18yrs of age, mentally able, whatever other attachment you'd like to place upon the ownership or possession of a firearm totally moves away from the issue and is obtuse to it!
The problem is a MENTAL one. The problem is a MORAL one. The PROBLEM is totally and completely with the SHOOTER of these events. Not the weather, not the zodiac, not the month or year they were borne, not what they eat, not that they were bullied even...
But nobody (politicians and news media) would want to venture down this path of discussion. No more than they'll talk about the propensity of the Black Culture in America to commit violent crime as compared to others. That's also away from the issue, just an example of how there's an agenda afoot. And we won't escape it.
Fortify schools as the thinnest skin allows, it won't fix the problem! The mental misfit will find another place, like the school bus a block away from the school!!! Etc...
I tire of the explosive knee jerking every time this shit happens and how everyone has ideas on how to fix things, all the while is actually proposing the opposite. Ineffective feel good bullshit legislation that does absolutely nothing, zilch!
Start by ending the Everyone wins a prize bullshit. Bring back Dodgeball, lmao! Eliminate the 60+ gender identities! And for the love of God, make sure there actually are CONSEQUENCES for those who break the law and stop coddling felons because their skin has pigment ... It's all insane!
Said it before... The Mayan Calculation of the World's End is off a bit... Because somewhere since that benchmark, we all awoke in an alternate universe! There's no other explanation for all this insanity and crazy shit! Because I never did acid (drugs) so it's impossible this is some latent recurrent trip I woke up to either!
Anyways... The last Assault Weapons Ban showed how controlling Firearms does nothing. NY State Safe Act is another, along with the little fact they don't publish, Non-compliance!!!
You're not going to corral half the population of the country into giving up their 150,000,000+++ firearms! It's just not happening! This isn't Australia!!!
It will be interesting too, the upcoming SCOTUS ruling about to come down on NY.
For a refresh... Here's a link to the arguments:
The Constitution is clear, Shall Not be INFRINGED!
Brandon is long gone, that no Right is absolute! Amazing from a person sworn to uphold that very document! And his EO's are just as far out of left field!
Anyways... Carry On!
Might as well try to determine what he ate for breakfast and BAN that too...
That's how much all this fringe bullshit has to do with the act of taking a firearm and shooting people ... Period!
18yrs of age, mentally able, whatever other attachment you'd like to place upon the ownership or possession of a firearm totally moves away from the issue and is obtuse to it!
The problem is a MENTAL one. The problem is a MORAL one. The PROBLEM is totally and completely with the SHOOTER of these events. Not the weather, not the zodiac, not the month or year they were borne, not what they eat, not that they were bullied even...
But nobody (politicians and news media) would want to venture down this path of discussion. No more than they'll talk about the propensity of the Black Culture in America to commit violent crime as compared to others. That's also away from the issue, just an example of how there's an agenda afoot. And we won't escape it.
Fortify schools as the thinnest skin allows, it won't fix the problem! The mental misfit will find another place, like the school bus a block away from the school!!! Etc...
I tire of the explosive knee jerking every time this shit happens and how everyone has ideas on how to fix things, all the while is actually proposing the opposite. Ineffective feel good bullshit legislation that does absolutely nothing, zilch!
Start by ending the Everyone wins a prize bullshit. Bring back Dodgeball, lmao! Eliminate the 60+ gender identities! And for the love of God, make sure there actually are CONSEQUENCES for those who break the law and stop coddling felons because their skin has pigment ... It's all insane!
Said it before... The Mayan Calculation of the World's End is off a bit... Because somewhere since that benchmark, we all awoke in an alternate universe! There's no other explanation for all this insanity and crazy shit! Because I never did acid (drugs) so it's impossible this is some latent recurrent trip I woke up to either!
Anyways... The last Assault Weapons Ban showed how controlling Firearms does nothing. NY State Safe Act is another, along with the little fact they don't publish, Non-compliance!!!
You're not going to corral half the population of the country into giving up their 150,000,000+++ firearms! It's just not happening! This isn't Australia!!!
It will be interesting too, the upcoming SCOTUS ruling about to come down on NY.
For a refresh... Here's a link to the arguments:
The Constitution is clear, Shall Not be INFRINGED!
Brandon is long gone, that no Right is absolute! Amazing from a person sworn to uphold that very document! And his EO's are just as far out of left field!
Anyways... Carry On!
That teacher does sort of have a point. Many of those that hurl all types of slurs at teachers like "groomer", etc. now want to give them guns? Make up your damn mind.
Deplorable Me
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They don't "select" books they optimize reading selection bent on their political and social agenda. I'm sure they would be thoroughly offended by my personal reloading and shooting library as opposed to their selection of books on optimizing anal lube. Their concept of "diversity" is certainly skewed.
Steal2B
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I am fucking furious.This is starting to really piss me off. More details are coming out
Sounds like the armed officers on scene cowered outside while the asshole was killing kids and others were bleeding out. A border patrol team eventually showed up perhaps 30 mins later and went in.
Wtf.
‘They were unprepared’: Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school to confront gunman
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Salvador Ramos, 18, made three social-media posts, Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott said.www.marketwatch.com
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.
www.foxnews.com
I am fucking furious.
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
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Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.
We all learned after Broward county this is 10000000% inexcusable.
The story I read one of the parents begging the police to do something found out his daughter was murdered afterwards.
I don't have words.
Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.This is starting to really piss me off. More details are coming out
Sounds like the armed officers on scene cowered outside while the asshole was killing kids and others were bleeding out. A border patrol team eventually showed up perhaps 30 mins later and went in.
Wtf.
‘They were unprepared’: Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school to confront gunman
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Salvador Ramos, 18, made three social-media posts, Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott said.
In 2005, Jessica Gonzales sued Castle Rock, Colorado police for failing to arrest her husband, who had violated a protective order, resulting in the murder of her three children. Her case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in The Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, where she lost because even though the order required arresting her husband upon violation, then-Justice Antonin Scalia successfully argued that “a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes.”
This case builds upon Supreme Court precedent in Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989). In that case, a young boy was repeatedly abused at the hands of his father, something that county Social Services was aware of, but made no effort to remove the child. His mother sued once the four-year old entered a vegetative state, and the Court ruled that that the state did not have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create.
Based on these precedents, Lozito was told in the New York City case that “no direct promises of protection were made” to him, and therefore he could not sue the police for failing to come to his aid. In other words, the police do not have to act if someone is actively being harmed, they do not have to arrest someone who has violated orders, and they do not have any obligation to protect you from others.
Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect
Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.
prospect.org
Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.
In 2005, Jessica Gonzales sued Castle Rock, Colorado police for failing to arrest her husband, who had violated a protective order, resulting in the murder of her three children. Her case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in The Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, where she lost because even though the order required arresting her husband upon violation, then-Justice Antonin Scalia successfully argued that “a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes.”This case builds upon Supreme Court precedent in Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989). In that case, a young boy was repeatedly abused at the hands of his father, something that county Social Services was aware of, but made no effort to remove the child. His mother sued once the four-year old entered a vegetative state, and the Court ruled that that the state did not have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create.Based on these precedents, Lozito was told in the New York City case that “no direct promises of protection were made” to him, and therefore he could not sue the police for failing to come to his aid. In other words, the police do not have to act if someone is actively being harmed, they do not have to arrest someone who has violated orders, and they do not have any obligation to protect you from others.
Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect
Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.
I think most of us here are already aware.
Steal2B
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Reporting and interviews give me the impression that law enforcement at the scene would have used force against a parent attempting to enter the school while the same law enforcement wasted a 40 minute to one hour window to end the carnage sooner.
Phazer
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Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes As Police Waited
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, reportedly barricaded himself as police waited for 40 minutes.
www.breitbart.com
I thought that the law enforcement paradigm for active school shooter situations had been changed from the classic "Assess, report, wait for backup" to "Get in and do something."
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Yes, if they are trained in active shooter response.Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes As Police Waited
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, reportedly barricaded himself as police waited for 40 minutes.
I thought that the law enforcement paradigm for active school shooter situations had been changed from the classic "Assess, report, wait for backup" to "Get in and do something."
We all know police have no duty to protect, and that's ok.Police don't have a duty to protect. Was determined by the courts a while back.
In 2005, Jessica Gonzales sued Castle Rock, Colorado police for failing to arrest her husband, who had violated a protective order, resulting in the murder of her three children. Her case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in The Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, where she lost because even though the order required arresting her husband upon violation, then-Justice Antonin Scalia successfully argued that “a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes.”This case builds upon Supreme Court precedent in Deshaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989). In that case, a young boy was repeatedly abused at the hands of his father, something that county Social Services was aware of, but made no effort to remove the child. His mother sued once the four-year old entered a vegetative state, and the Court ruled that that the state did not have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create.Based on these precedents, Lozito was told in the New York City case that “no direct promises of protection were made” to him, and therefore he could not sue the police for failing to come to his aid. In other words, the police do not have to act if someone is actively being harmed, they do not have to arrest someone who has violated orders, and they do not have any obligation to protect you from others.
Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect
Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.
The problem here is when 10 year old kids are being slaughtered one by one, and you don't move in- you are a coward, and in the wrong line of business.
Supposed to be.Texas Shooter Barricaded Himself for 40 Minutes As Police Waited
The shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, reportedly barricaded himself as police waited for 40 minutes.
I thought that the law enforcement paradigm for active school shooter situations had been changed from the classic "Assess, report, wait for backup" to "Get in and do something."
BerettaGuy
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Isn't there a movie that just came out about a "superhero" girl at a school shooting who decided not to simp? Then all of a sudden.........
Steal2B
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Although I am not familiar with this Texas school, from my experience, Texas schools are a much softer targets than schools in upstate NY.
Student over crowding in booming Texas makes access control similar to what I see in Hudson Valley Schools impossible.
There are thousands of kids in an elementary school (with often over a dozen elemantary schools in each district) with most students housed in cramped trailer classrooms set up on what was once ball or play fields. Elemantary school students have to go to a different school in the district a couple blocks away for outdoor physical education facilities shared by multiple schools. Same goes for their library resources.
On the other hand, the football stadiums shared by large multi high-school districts are better facilities than many or most D1 College programs.
Student over crowding in booming Texas makes access control similar to what I see in Hudson Valley Schools impossible.
There are thousands of kids in an elementary school (with often over a dozen elemantary schools in each district) with most students housed in cramped trailer classrooms set up on what was once ball or play fields. Elemantary school students have to go to a different school in the district a couple blocks away for outdoor physical education facilities shared by multiple schools. Same goes for their library resources.
On the other hand, the football stadiums shared by large multi high-school districts are better facilities than many or most D1 College programs.
The elementary school my daughter goes to you have to first get buzzed into school then when you enter you are stuck waiting in like a separate isolated room from anything else and still cannot access the school. So that's a good design feature.
Valid points. My guess is they would be taken much more seriously if NYS made a push to restrict gun ownership via mental health reasons.
Mass Shooting Facts to Shut Down Your Liberal Sister and Her Annoying, Man-Bunned, Non-Binary 'Boy' Friend at Your Memorial Day BBQ
I bet Don Lemon only prays when there is a mass shooting. “Please, God, let the gunman be whit
pjmedia.com
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Funny you mentioned that. If you go to Google maps and look at the school, the first thing you see on street view is a propped open door on the school.
Uninformed and Compliant
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Uninformed and Compliant
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So....
Let me get this straight.
An armed sworn police officer, who's job is to be a school resource officer to protect students, saw the asshole crash his car into a ditch, and proceed to enter the school with rifles, and did not engage him????????????
W.T.F.
This asshole should have been given a dirt nap in the parking lot before ever making it to the door. This tragedy should have been stopped before it happened.
It would have been a murder of a grandmother and stopped there.
If events are as reported there I have a real problem with how this was handled.
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After they interview him under oath, they should leave him in the room with his service weapon and 1 round
The cops would have had to fight me off -- as in, shoot me -- to keep me from going inside. No way I would stand outside my kid's school listening to shots blasting. I'm not disparaging the guy who lost a child, but if the cops are just going to mass around and wait for backup, then they're just in the way.I am fucking furious.
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
View attachment 160097
Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.