spat
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And if the health department closes a business for letting unmasked patrons in, who arrests the owner when he opens the next morning ?
Should We Blindly Support the Police?
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Did you see where the NYPD stomped the American Flag? This was done in uniform and while responding to a nothing call.
Did their bosses tell them to stomp my flag?
another view....
Yep, just following orders.
Yep, just following orders.
Truebeliever
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I saw it. Not right if it was intentionally to step on it. I don’t think she intentionally stepped on it. However it was thrown to the ground because it was attached to the pole. A weapon. That’s why they had an issue when another protestor attempted to pick it up. And yes, people have attacked cops with flag poles at demonstrations.
They were not enforcing covid restrictions. They were enforcing the business property rights and were called there by the business. No different than if people were protesting inside a gun store and the gun store calls the police to get them to leave.
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You can blindly support them. I do not.
She absolutely stomped the flag on purpose. I have no issue taking the pole away. I was hit with a similar flagpole, last year during the Buffalo protests; I did not throw the flag on the ground, not did I stomp it .
I do not care why the police were there, I care about the way they treated the people. I care about the blatantly disrespectful manner in which they handle themselves.
Truebeliever
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I disagree that she intentionally did so. I’m looking where she is facing when her feet were trampling it. She wasn’t looking at the flag/ground nor looking at one individual as if in defiance. She was speaking to multiple people who were coming from multiple directions. And she came in after one of the protesters attempted to pick up the pole from the ground. Go look at it again, what she is saying and doing when her feet make contact with the flag. Go look at it again.
And video lied. He was charged with trespassing. Not for a vax mandate violation . The business told him to leave and he refused. They enforced the business property rights.
We can agree to disagree. She stomped it on purpose and I hope the rest of her coworkers turn their back on this piece of shit. She is absolute garbage.
I do not care what he was charged with. Makes no difference to me. The officers of the NYPD have been showing their true colors during this Covid hoax.
I have witnessed many departments do nothing to violate the Rights of the people. These incidents all stem from the mask mandates, so yes, in a round sort of way, these officers are enforcing the BS mask mandates and they should be ashamed and embarrassed.
Ignore the calls, that is an option, put yourself out with a different incident, say you are in the middle of traffic, I don't care; stop going to these calls.
Remember when they hauled a six year old girl out of a museum? Yeah, tough guys following their master's.
Truebeliever
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We can disagree but it is the business owner who is enforcing it. If the business owner doesn’t call the police or says it’s okay , the police don’t care if they stay or go.
If a business says I won’t serve people of a certain race, the police would still have to make the people leave. They can refer people to the proper authorities to complain to but they would still have to leave. In some places, the police can shut down the business but the people would still have to leave .
The business owner is the one enforcing the covid restrictions and call the police to kick the people out.
Do you think the police are checking vax cards?
Ever go to a place like a bar that is 21 and over only? Legally, people under 21 can be there as long as the bar doesn’t serve them. The business chooses not to allow people under 21 and often will call the police to eject people . The police aren’t enforcing that policy but are called to eject people when the business does.
Same thing .
Go look up who is actually enforcing the vax mandate. It’s not the police. They are called in AFTER the fact. They aren’t even checking businesses. It’s the health department.
NYC COVID inspector booted from bar for failing to show own proof of vaccination
Stunned bar manager Maggie Koronilian told The Post how she had to boot the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene employee from Big Nose Kate’s Saloon and Eatery on Tuesday.
nypost.com
The NYPD is the Latest Police Force to Fight Vaccine Mandates
The city’s biggest police union is suing.
nymag.com
More Than 26,000 NYC Workers Miss Vaccine Mandate Deadline. Enforcement Set To Begin Monday
Employees will be sent home without pay if they don't show proof of COVID-19 vaccination.
gothamist.com
Here is the pro mask people reaction to the NYPD
Why are so many NYPD officers fighting vaccination? | Akin Olla
Cops have been on the wrong side of public health for the entire pandemic – and yet they act like they are victims
amp.theguardian.com
Here is the typical reaction of the police
They said they would enforce the mask mandate in the report. They didn’t .
Go see who enforced the mask mandate . It wasn’t the NYPD
“Several months later in April, the city sheriff’s office re-served Presti with the summonses.
Sheriff’s deputies also issued him four additional citations for allegedly violating the Alcohol Beverage Control Law on March 19.”
Once again, summonses against Mac’s Public House manager are dismissed
The summonses against Danny Presti alleged violations of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Law.
www.silive.com
Look who does that enforcement. Not the NYPD
Why This Force of 150 Sheriff’s Deputies Is Enforcing Virus Rules (Published 2020)
The New York City Sheriff’s Office, a law enforcement team unknown to most New Yorkers, has been thrust into the spotlight during the pandemic.
Truebeliever
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Now for the ignore the call. How do you think the call comes over?
The restaurant would be a disorderly group, trespasser, or just a dispute. It wouldn’t come over the air as a covid call. And somebody has to go. It would go eventually to the sergeant who isn’t going to like getting that call and will make sure the officers under him know it. And remember, the police are often IG to let the people leave. They don’t have to. They can make an immediate arrest if the business already told them to leave. The people who got arrested refused to leave.
I know how calls come in. I get it. I also get that once they arrive and see what the truth is, they can chose one of two options:
Be complete douche bags, or
Be decent to the people they serve.
They seem to always chose to be douche bags. They ripped the flag out of the Veterans hands, they could have asked first. There was absolutely no reason to throw the flag on the ground. There was even less reason to walk all over it and stomp on it. You can defend them until you are blue in the face, that is all on you. We will disagree on this till the end.
She is a disgusting POS as far as I am concerned as are all of the officers that were there and did nothing about her actions.
We are losing faith and confidence in the public, these actions of the NYPD and many other departments are not assisting.
I can post video after video of the horrible treatments people have endured during Covid by these officers; they need to be better and they need to be more professional.
The situation in Canada is a prime example, they are talking gas cans from people and arresting them for trying to aid the truckers. The Police are doing this, not the elected elite.
We can disagree but it is the business owner who is enforcing it. If the business owner doesn’t call the police or says it’s okay , the police don’t care if they stay or go.
If a business says I won’t serve people of a certain race, the police would still have to make the people leave. They can refer people to the proper authorities to complain to but they would still have to leave. In some places, the police can shut down the business but the people would still have to leave .
The business owner is the one enforcing the covid restrictions and call the police to kick the people out.
Do you think the police are checking vax cards?
Ever go to a place like a bar that is 21 and over only? Legally, people under 21 can be there as long as the bar doesn’t serve them. The business chooses not to allow people under 21 and often will call the police to eject people . The police aren’t enforcing that policy but are called to eject people when the business does.
Same thing .
Go look up who is actually enforcing the vax mandate. It’s not the police. They are called in AFTER the fact. They aren’t even checking businesses. It’s the health department.
And unlike most people, the NYPD cops were/are fighting the mandatesNYC COVID inspector booted from bar for failing to show own proof of vaccination
Stunned bar manager Maggie Koronilian told The Post how she had to boot the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene employee from Big Nose Kate’s Saloon and Eatery on Tuesday.
The NYPD is the Latest Police Force to Fight Vaccine Mandates
The city’s biggest police union is suing.
More Than 26,000 NYC Workers Miss Vaccine Mandate Deadline. Enforcement Set To Begin Monday
Employees will be sent home without pay if they don't show proof of COVID-19 vaccination.
Here is the pro mask people reaction to the NYPD
Why are so many NYPD officers fighting vaccination? | Akin Olla
Cops have been on the wrong side of public health for the entire pandemic – and yet they act like they are victims
Here is the typical reaction of the police
They said they would enforce the mask mandate in the report. They didn’t .
Go see who enforced the mask mandate . It wasn’t the NYPD
“Several months later in April, the city sheriff’s office re-served Presti with the summonses.
Sheriff’s deputies also issued him four additional citations for allegedly violating the Alcohol Beverage Control Law on March 19.”
Once again, summonses against Mac’s Public House manager are dismissed
The summonses against Danny Presti alleged violations of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Law.
Look who does that enforcement. Not the NYPD
Why This Force of 150 Sheriff’s Deputies Is Enforcing Virus Rules (Published 2020)
The New York City Sheriff’s Office, a law enforcement team unknown to most New Yorkers, has been thrust into the spotlight during the pandemic.www.nytimes.com
My main issue is the way they are going about it all. They are terrorizing some people over these masks.
I am in the same type of employment as you were prior to your retirement, I understand much of the job.
A bit of professionalism in these trying times goes a long way. So many do not even try to diffuse and talk to people.
spat
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Why did the business tell her to leave ?
Was it because they were being extorted into being an agent to enforce an unconstitutional mandate ?
Fruit of the poisonous tree. That makes the entire proceeding unconstitutional.
Truebeliever
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You are only seeing a part of what happened. They did try talking. The people refused . That’s the part of the recording they did not show.
And as far as doing the same job as me, not all LEO jobs are the same . I’ve held more than one and they are different.
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Truebeliever
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Maybe, maybe not. Some businesses in NYC were refusing to serve people before it was official. Same as the mask mandates.
And yes, businesses are being forced to do so by the health department just like businesses don’t let people under 21 in their establishments. Why? Fear that they might get fined and lose their liquor license even if they don’t serve the person under 21 alcohol.
That is not the officers fault the business wants the person off their property. If the business decides not to take the chance of getting fined, should they be forced to take that risk ? The people who refuse to leave are demanding that of that business. The police are only there to make the people leave as per the business owners choice.
The NYPD does not, nor most police departments in NY , fine the business. And those people were given a chance to leave before they were arrested. Thats the part of the film you don’t see.
I am amazed, not really, that you are near defending these cops that stomped the US flag on camera.
Defending hauling six year old kids out of birthday parties and museums. I back the Blue and the difficult job they have, but you still see all they do, and find no fault.
Maybe that is the city cop mentality.
Defending hauling six year old kids out of birthday parties and museums. I back the Blue and the difficult job they have, but you still see all they do, and find no fault.
Maybe that is the city cop mentality.
Truebeliever
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They aren’t. Just the fact you went to “ unprofessional without seeing the whole story says a lot.
I worked a place with 35 to 40 radio runs a night per sector. And I worked a place with maybe 5 . One place you have time and another place you don’t . And even then, people don’t want to listen and basically “ask “to be arrested . You have a person resisting arrest with a potential weapon in their hand. Her feet on the flag was not intentional. Go look at the video again. She isn’t “stomping” on it. She is turning to address what is going on around her. Go look again and listen.
And the situation was a staged protest. Not people just looking to eat.
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spat
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No, it's not the officers fault that they work for tyrants.
It wasn't the train drivers fault that the people in the cattle cars he was hauling were going to die after he delivered them either.
But it is his fault for participating.
Right down to the guy who shoveled the coal into the locomotive, and even the secretary who wrote out the schedule, everyone who supported the operation had blood on their hands.
You are responsible for everything you support. If you can't trust that the people issuing you orders aren't evil, then you quit. If you value your pension or your mortgage more than basic human rights, then you are evil too.
Truebeliever
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I’ve worked in the burbs too. It’s different in part because of the volume.
Go look at the video again. One cop pulls the pole out of the person’s hand as that person resist arrest. Another protester attempts to pick it up, that’s when the female cop stops him. She saw it as someone picking up a potential weapon as opposed to someone just picking up the flag. She drops it so her hands are free and deals with the protestors around her. That’s when her feet were on the flag. She isn’t stomping the flag. She is turning around to deal with the people around her.
Remember that they are already resisting arrest . And it was planned protest and not people looking to get something to eat.
Truebeliever
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It’s not even remotely the same as driving the train to the concentration camps. The business owner wants them out. That simple. Now, if the police were giving fines to the business, you would have a case. But they aren’t . In fact, unlike most, the police are in court fighting the mandates .
Go look up who shut down Mac’s z public House when he refused to do the covid mandates. It was not the NYPD. Why is that? Because they aren’t enforcing it. Either are most police departments.
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spat
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No, It's not the same.
But it is in the same direction.
Have you drawn a line you won't cross yet ?
And those cops absolutely would be involved in enforcement of that mandate. When the business gets it's license pulled for allowing unmasked patrons, who is going to be keeping it closed ?
Sure, there are lots of cool aid drinkers in NYC. Probably lots of businesses who think the unvaxed should just be shot in the street and really do want the people gone.
But, statistically the vast majority would not want those guys removed it the government hadn't threatened them.
That is right out of a textbook definition of fascism. Government using corporations to tyrannize the people.
Truebeliever
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Go look who shut down Mac’s Public House in NYC. It was not the NYPD because they won’t enforce the mandates. BIG Difference than a business owner telling someone to get out and calling the police to protect their property rights. Have you gone into the city lately? There are businesses that have signs that say, we don’t check vax cards. Are they shut down? No, and the cops eat there too. If the business owner doesn’t care, either do the cops .
spat
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I said cops, not NYPD.
To someone who is getting strong armed by the government, the small print on the badge abusing them isn't all that relevant.
Truebeliever
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There weren’t “ cops “. The NYC sheriffs department. They aren’t like sheriffs deputies in most places. They were brought in . Not real cops . Process servers and evictions is what they do. Not cops. Go ask one of them how many arrests they have made in their entire career. I think most of you would be surprised how low that number is. Many of them have never made one.
spat
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That doesn't make them not real cops.
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Yet they allowed BLM to occupy areas.
Truebeliever
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They have arrest powers but not real “cops “. Being a cop is more than having arrest powers.