SIG 320 x5 Legion

[dsdmmat]

Remember when people used to complain about how heavy 1911s were and how they were terrible because of it? What ever happened to that? Now heavy guns are the bees knees it seems. That's why I never got into and still hate fads. If a gun is good it's good.

A majority of my handguns are steel 1911s. I do have a few aluminum and polymer framed guns as well but, most of my guns weigh between 30 and 43 ounces unloaded.

The legion caught my attention because I started building my own guns about a year ago and recently started building guns other than 1911s. The sig P320 is a modular gun and since my employe adopted the M17 as its primary sidearm I figured I had better get one to start practicing.

So back to how the legion caught my eye. It was billed as a polymer framed gun with the weight of a steel framed gun, interesting to say the least. I happened to come across one in a gun store in Oregon and got to hold it and the handling characteristics along with the sights and weight impressed me enough to buy one. while waiting for mine to arrive I decided to build a P320 XFive which is where we are today. Two guns that Are basically the same except one has a tungsten infused frame and weighs about 12 ounces more that the other.

I like the 320 and since it will be my issued sidearm in the future it is not leaving my stable anytime soon. I will be building a few more 320s namely the M17 and M18 variants but I may also do another XFive with the heavy frame just for grins.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I mean it's not really a fad when its always been like that for competition handguns

Shooting competitively is totally it's own thing. I'm talking about the firearm world as a whole. I feel like we're leaving the era of "your gun has to be as small and compact as possible or it's useless" to "hmmm maybe these big guns aren't that bad". I see alot of youtube reviewers that would have never thought about reviewing bigger guns doing so now. And of course much of this is being paid to show things off. I think it's mostly gun companies (always has been) steering what's hot and people eat it up. Hence fad. It's just like phones. Small, thin, light was the thing at one point. Then it was huge screens, long battery life, good sound etc etc. Now it seems to be trending back to smaller is better. I wasn't calling anyone out on this thread directly but just making an observation outloud.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Shooting competitively is totally it's own thing. I'm talking about the firearm world as a whole. I feel like we're leaving the era of "your gun has to be as small and compact as possible or it's useless" to "hmmm maybe these big guns aren't that bad". I see alot of youtube reviewers that would have never thought about reviewing bigger guns doing so now. And of course much of this is being paid to show things off. I think it's mostly gun companies (always has been) steering what's hot and people eat it up. Hence fad. It's just like phones. Small, thin, light was the thing at one point. Then it was huge screens, long battery life, good sound etc etc. Now it seems to be trending back to smaller is better. I wasn't calling anyone out on this thread directly but just making an observation outloud.

1st) those YouTubers most likely arent reviewing anything, they are presenting you a paid commercial in a review format. They are paid by the gun company to put out that exact content

2nd) larger guns are easier to shoot. More people are realizing that oh man I cant shit shit with my 2" 9mm and I wont ever train with it because it sucks to shoot.

 

[dsdmmat]

1st) those YouTubers most likely arent reviewing anything, they are presenting you a paid commercial in a review format. They are paid by the gun company to put out that exact content

2nd) larger guns are easier to shoot. More people are realizing that oh man I cant shit shit with my 2" 9mm and I wont ever train with it because it sucks to shoot.

Most people can’t shoot pistols worth a crap no matter what the size or caliber. They don’t practice enough.

I have shot close to 800 rounds at 10 and 15 yards through my Kimber micro nine this year. It will hold a group small enough to take out the brain stem of 2 legged vermin.

Shooting handguns well is a perishable skill and requires constant practice. Most people don’t have time or make time to scratch their ass let alone practice skills that can save their lives.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Most people can’t shoot pistols worth a crap no matter what the size or caliber. They don’t practice enough.

I have shot close to 800 rounds at 10 and 15 yards through my Kimber micro nine this year. It will hold a group small enough to take out the brain stem of 2 legged vermin.

Shooting handguns well is a perishable skill and requires constant practice. Most people don’t have time or make time to scratch their ass let alone practice skills that can save their lives.

You are 100% correct.

That's why one of the most cringeworthy things I hear all the time is when someone tells a new shooter (especially someone of smaller stature) oh get a .357 j-frame.

Smaller handguns require much more training to become proficient than a larger gun in the same caliber, most dont shoot enough to become proficient in a full size handgun.

I've seen it before. New person gets their license here in NY, says some dumb shit like I've been hunting my whole life I got know how to shoot.. cant shoot anything at 3 yards with handgun gets discouraged and doesnt go to the range again let alone seek professional training

 

[dsdmmat]

You are 100% correct.

That's why one of the most cringeworthy things I hear all the time is when someone tells a new shooter (especially someone of smaller stature) oh get a .357 j-frame.

Smaller handguns require much more training to become proficient than a larger gun in the same caliber, most dont shoot enough to become proficient in a full size handgun.

I've seen it before. New person gets their license here in NY, says some dumb shit like I've been hunting my whole life I got know how to shoot.. cant shoot anything at 3 yards with handgun gets discouraged and doesnt go to the range again let alone seek professional training

Most people don’t need professional training, they just need to practice with their guns. Of course I say this as a life long shooter, who has done the IPSC, 3 gun, action rifle and bench rest thing on top of having a Marine (father) give me extensive weapons training from 3 years old up until the day I left for basic training.

I find that women are the best learners when it comes to shooting because they don’t have the expectation that they should know it all when it comes to guns.

 

[Catskillkid]

Remember when people used to complain about how heavy 1911s were and how they were terrible because of it? What ever happened to that? Now heavy guns are the bees knees it seems. That's why I never got into and still hate fads. If a gun is good it's good.

Well, .45 is always better than 9mm

 

[Edwardteach72]

Most people don’t need professional training, they just need to practice with their guns. Of course I say this as a life long shooter, who has done the IPSC, 3 gun, action rifle and bench rest thing on top of having a Marine (father) give me extensive weapons training from 3 years old up until the day I left for basic training.

I find that women are the best learners when it comes to shooting because they don’t have the expectation that they should know it all when it comes to guns.

I will disagree with the first part but agree completely with the last part

 

[Criticalt]

1st) those YouTubers most likely arent reviewing anything, they are presenting you a paid commercial in a review format. They are paid by the gun company to put out that exact content

2nd) larger guns are easier to shoot. More people are realizing that oh man I cant shit shit with my 2" 9mm and I wont ever train with it because it sucks to shoot.

One of the worst bits of advice I heard when I got my pistol permit was...."buy a really small gun because big guns are impossible to conceal."
So, the first gun I bought was a 9mm Shield.
From the start I could shoot the Shield ok but it just didnt feel right.
Then I bought my G20 and thought, " hey, this full size gun is barely bigger than the Shield."
And low and behold....the G20 conceals great. It disappears under a lightweight Tshirt.
Now im carrying a freaking Ruger GP100 with zero issues concealing with shorts and a Tshirt.
I realize there are times when deep concealment is necessary, but for everyday carry, im pretty sure I could conceal a Desert Eagle 50 cal.

 

[dsdmmat]

One of the worst bits of advice I heard when I got my pistol permit was...."buy a really small gun because big guns are impossible to conceal."
So, the first gun I bought was a 9mm Shield.
From the start I could shoot the Shield ok but it just didnt feel right.
Then I bought my G20 and thought, " hey, this full size gun is barely bigger than the Shield."
And low and behold....the G20 conceals great. It disappears under a lightweight Tshirt.
Now im carrying a freaking Ruger GP100 with zero issues concealing with shorts and a Tshirt.
I realize there are times when deep concealment is necessary, but for everyday carry, im pretty sure I could conceal a Desert Eagle 50 cal.

The advantage of being a big guy ( 6’, 230lbs) is big guns are easy to hide.

 

[Robin]

I have no advantage.
Robin

 

[Edwardteach72]

The advantage of being a big guy ( 6’, 230lbs) is big guns are easy to hide.

I'm 5'5" and even when I was 125lbs I was carrying a G17 no issues

 

[Criticalt]

The advantage of being a big guy ( 6’, 230lbs) is big guns are easy to hide.

Thats exactly my size........soon to be 200lb........hopefully.