Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun nearly killed her
Gunmaker has previously denied liability for similar claims involving the P320.
abcnews.go.com
Sig being sued for P320 shooting it’s owners
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spat
.950 JDJ
Wow, a lawsuit against a gun manufacturer that's, at least on it's face, based on a legally tenable argument ?Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun nearly killed her
Gunmaker has previously denied liability for similar claims involving the P320.
I mean, I doubt it was actually a problem with the gun, and she would have to prove it, but at least this case theoretically could have merit.
Most of them, even if the plaintiff proved their argument 100%, the manufacturer still shouldn't be liable.
spat
.950 JDJ
I carry my LCP II in a pocket holster all the time.
I would never put anything else in the pocket with it.
Sounds like this thing was kicking around in a purse full of other junk. Convincing me it went off some other way would take some very strong evidence.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree and thought the same but if there’s a hole in the bottom of the holster it would make me think hmm. Maybe it did shoot her on its own.
Well I guess I am lucky, I have not been shot by any of the 320s in my house. They are either defective or lazy I cannot decide which is the case.
spat
.950 JDJ
I have no doubt it fired while holstered in her purse.
What I do doubt is that the holster was able to completely eliminate the possibility of a nail file or some other piece of purse flotsam from getting inside the trigger guard.
If that's what happened then it is not the gun manufacturers fault.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Agreed. Especially because the article clearly states it happened when she was swinging her purse around.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
They are almost giddy in the news room
Budonahog
.40 S&W
I find it odd that they showed the hole in the purse but didn't show the holster. I would like to see what it was holstered in.
It could have been one of the concealed carry purse compartments. No holster just specific pocket.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Hopefully she didn't carry extra crap in that compartment. If the walls of that compartment were soft fabric or leather it could have fouled the trigger. All holsters and firearm carry devices are not equal. Hopefully all the right forensic mechanical experts will be turned loose to examine the problem.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Perhaps at 1:20 they show holster
spat
.950 JDJ
If it was in one of those, I bet we wouldn't be having this discussion, because it wouldn't have discharged.
drowhawk
.44 mag
TBH, I sold my P320 because of so many reports of the updated versions going off. I'm not saying I think there's a problem, I'm just saying there's enough plausibility for me. Maybe not in this woman's specific case, but there are many others like hers. Several departments took them out of service. Sig customer service would not assure me that the new design was safe. They pretty much refused to comment on the matter so that was enough for me. That being said, I would still buy another once the smoke clears. The sad part is go to their website and they have like 4 or 5 open recalls right now.
My P320 tried killing me just the other day! It was horrifying! Chasing me all through the house, threatening to beat me if I told anyone.
I have since filled a restraining order against it.
I have since filled a restraining order against it.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Her case could be ignored as a one off but the video of the cop getting out of his car is scary.
I don’t understand why an engineer cannot strip this down and determine exactly what is going on, though.
I recall the “runaway” Toyota issue of 2010 was substantially fabricated by a collective delusion and that could be happening here. But, are there other such cases of this happening with glocks?
I don’t understand why an engineer cannot strip this down and determine exactly what is going on, though.
I recall the “runaway” Toyota issue of 2010 was substantially fabricated by a collective delusion and that could be happening here. But, are there other such cases of this happening with glocks?
....... It's a striker fired gun with a partially pre-cocked, DAO action same as a Glock with similar safety features minus the trigger dongus safety. You'd either carry it decocked on an empty chamber necessitating racking the slide to get into action or cocked with a round in the chamber.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
No round in the chamber just leave it at home. Studies have shown you nearly always fail when racking the slide to chamber a round.
Well, the other guy asked about the ways in which a P320 is carried. Those are the only two possible states a typical striker fired gun can be carried to my knowledge, absent a decocker feature like on some Walther P99s.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if that is the case .. that holster does not go in a purse ...
puts in purse .. get snagged and hung up .. accidently presses release and pulls on gun trying to get it out ... finger hits boom switch .. ta da ...
i shot myself ..
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes you are correct. No round in the chamber is just a bad option IMO.
bambino1031
.177 BB
If you read the article, there’s a picture of the holster and pistol. Pistol appears unmodified. Holster is full kydex with trigger finger button release. If the gun was holstered, there’s no way for anything to bang into the trigger or become wedged into the trigger guard. It’s fully covered.
It could be coincidence. But add to that a series of other coincidental “uncommanded” discharges from dozens of others, many with extensive firearms experience and witnesses to prove it wasn’t an AD coverup.
spat
.950 JDJ
There is no holster that is safe to pocket with a set of keys.
"impossible" is a very high bar to meet.
bambino1031
.177 BB
There’s good practice and then there’s reality. It’s not good practice to put a gun in a purse or pocket with other items, even holstered (and it should always be holstered). We learn this because many pocket holsters and bag holsters are soft shelled or leather and prone to failure. A full kydex holster that completely encapsulates the trigger guard cannot be defeated without substantial effort. And I’d stake my life on that.
The holster she used has other safety issues but trigger guard coverage is not one of them.
Something would have to simultaneously depress the holster’s unlock button and pull the gun from the holster before the trigger could be accessed.
And this gun has a history of unintended discharges proven by third party analysts. The trigger on the OG model was heavy enough that dropping it would cause its own weight and interia to depress it, firing the gun. That’s why they replaced the parts with lighter materials. No surprise the problems didn’t end there.
spat
.950 JDJ
Or a key or nail file or something slides in next to the fully holstered gun and snags the trigger.
You can easily pull a trigger without unholstering a gun if you allow foreign objects into the mix. Even in a tight fitting kydex holster that completely covers the trigger area.
There are lots of ways for things to fail besides the obvious.