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I'm in line at the local Quickly, a guy is buying a pack of smokes. The clerk says she has to have his drivers license, takes it and swipes it across some kind of reader. The guy does a WTF and is pissed, the gal says we have to do that now and says she doesn't agree with it but, gives the Nurmberg defense, I'm just doing my job. My turn, I ask if its a law or is the owner selling the names, she didn't know.
So, is this some new law? Big brother is indeed watching.
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I dont think its a law.
Our local Kwik Fills do that for tobacco, alcohol and even when you cash in a lottery ticket.
Gotta get everyone on a list somehow.
 
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As has been said, the minimum age for purchasing tobacco is now 21. (actually goes into effect on 11/13)

As for the scanner, it's a simple barcode scanner that reads the DOB from the 2D barcode on the back of your license and does the math for the clerk. The clerk also checks the DOB from the back of the ID against the printed DOB on the front of the ID to check for a forged document. They use them at gas stations and bars all over the place. The law doesn't require their use, but it provides for a defense if the document is scanned and the date checks out ok. The law authorizes the retailer to retain name, DOB, ID number, and ID expiration date.

NYS Open Legislation |

www.nysenate.gov www.nysenate.gov
 
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Its not the law.

My guess is that some 3rd party offered the convenience store the scanner system for free or discounted in return for collecting data on his customers. The store owner likes it because he doesn't have to entrust his liquor and tobacco licenses to the poor math or judgement abilities of his minimum wage employee.
 
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What's to stop the minimum wage polymath behind the counter from memorizing your info and writing it down after you leave?
 
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Thanks fellows. Not an official law, more like a de facto law by government coercion I guess. Well by the way that guy reacted I don't think Quickly's will be on his convenient places to stop list.
Robin
 
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Carlos Hathcock said:
Yup. Natives don't give two shits about NY laws so it's a pleasure shopping there.
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The SAVON @ rte 13 & 31 wants to scan DL for alcohol. Stopped doing business there. The Tops in Camden the same.

Won’t give up my data to buy their stuff. Data like address, organ donor, hunting fishing, firearm registration, age, driving history. AND WHAT ELSE??

So I been thinking of carrying my passport around to use as ID to see if it would be refused. Don’t have to surrender my DL to anyone except LEO or a judge.
 
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MY STORY

Way back when there was a 22 shortage A new gun shop opened. I looked around ,they gave me a hat so I felt obliged to purchase some thing , So I Purchased a grossly over priced box of 550 rounds of 22 . I gave them my debit card and she runs it hands me recipe and says ,OH I need your drivers license so as I am reaching for it I ask why for debit card and she says NO store policy is need a copy for all ammo purchase , I said that's crazy it must be a misunderstanding check with the owner. She did and he said store policy , I said refund my money have not been back since. they are still in business but I have never seen the store open .

I hate all of the additional rules and regulations folks put on us
 
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Bullshit store policy. They will guarantee their own safety while risking everyone else's. I know, they don't keep the information , But how could they prove they scanned it in court if they don't? Of course that information is filed somewhere. and your shit out of luck if some hacker sells your drivers license info on the dark web. Fucking NAZI's.
 
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Most places do this now. It’s a way to make sure the 15&16 year old kids aren’t selling alcohol and tobacco to kids under age. Do I agree with it no but my understand is the register won’t allow the sale to proceed unless a valid over age license is scanned.
 
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Risking some ones personnel information to ensure they are compliant is a weak excuse. There's risks involved in business, That's the way it is , We did OK for the last 50 years with out having to risk the buyers personnel information . In essence , Someone has to give up their right to privacy because store policy says so. Who's protecting the rights of the consumer?
 
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the kwik fill here scans and i don't go there unless a certain person is working . that person just types my DOB in and off i go ..

Tops personal has by DOB memorized and just types it in .. its good to be OLD LOL ..

FYI at kwik fill .. when your licence expires and your waiting on your new one in the mail and you get the paper one ..
Kwik fill says we can't take that even thou that is your valid Drivers license / ID ..

FUAC just because ..
 
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Bob said:
As has been said, the minimum age for purchasing tobacco is now 21. (actually goes into effect on 11/13)

As for the scanner, it's a simple barcode scanner that reads the DOB from the 2D barcode on the back of your license and does the math for the clerk. The clerk also checks the DOB from the back of the ID against the printed DOB on the front of the ID to check for a forged document. They use them at gas stations and bars all over the place. The law doesn't require their use, but it provides for a defense if the document is scanned and the date checks out ok. The law authorizes the retailer to retain name, DOB, ID number, and ID expiration date.

NYS Open Legislation |

www.nysenate.gov www.nysenate.gov
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If the retailer can retain the name, DOB, driver license number, and ID expiration date, can they retain the address, too? Having all of that information goes a long way towards enabling identity theft. Even if the retailer does not use the data for nefarious reasons, are they storing it and could the storage / database get hacked?
 
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Some time ago, before I quit smoking, a local convenience store tried to card me for a pack of smokes. I was asked for my ID. I looked at the clerk and asked if she saw the grey in my beard. She replied with a yes and I proceeded. "Well then I am obviously of age." She stated store policy requires my DOB. I said, "Well than pick one. If that's not enough I'm leaving my coffee here with you and I'm walking out the door." No way was I walking back out to my truck for my DL. Sale was made.
Anyway....so glad I quit smoking.
 
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How about double taxation?
Cigs., cost ~ $10 pak most of is tax then when they ring it up they tax the added tax! I don't smoke but asked the manager one time he said "that's NY law so we do it."
 
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