So we has an "accidental" negligent discharge resulting in death yesterday.

[FP1201]

Have not seen a news story on it yet, but the call came in about 10:30
C1 (caller) stated that "he just killed his Dad"
"He was making a Snap Chat video showing off his Gun and accidentally shot him in the head".

sucks for sure.

 

[That_FNG]

Nothing accidental about this. Violate the rules of gun safety when fucking around, you will then get to experience the finding out part.

 

[Celt]

Holy crap that sucks, I feel terrible for that family.

 

[C3D]

Any news story on it? A tragedy for sure. It's a reminder to teach your children basic gun safety and operation.

 

[dwa12479]

Oof. Thats awful. Poor kid is gonna be a mess for the rest of his life. Feel terrible for the family. Unfortunately complacency kills.

 

[Saltwater60]

Nothing accidental about this. Violate the rules of gun safety when fucking around, you will then get to experience the finding out part.

What you don’t stand in front of guns for social media videos? He will be charged with manslaughter would be my guess.

 

[thughes]

I'll take "Dropped the mag but didn't clear the chamber" for $200, Alex.

Horrible tragedy.

 

[Zerex]

Parent is at fault.

How old is the kid? 12?

 

[FP1201]

Any news story on it? A tragedy for sure. It's a reminder to teach your children basic gun safety and operation.

Nothing in the news...There was one blip about it on a web page that monitors Police/Fire/EMS Radio transmissions, but it gave the wrong city (close by but not correct)

"Accident" was Dispatch, not my assessment.

The whole thing is conspicuously quiet...in 34 years living here this is only the third GSW that I can recall. (other two were suicides)

 

[That_FNG]

What you don’t stand in front of guns for social media videos? He will be charged with manslaughter would be my guess.

Would need to first have social media. Still haven’t been convinced that my life needs Facebook or instagram.

 

[RedBreast21]

So where did this take place?

 

[dwa12479]

I'll take "Dropped the mag but didn't clear the chamber" for $200, Alex.

Horrible tragedy.

100%

 

[FP1201]

So where did this take place?

Adams, NY 13605

 

[dean3690]

I'm always amazed at the casual gun handling. I have gone and picked up a pistol I purchased online or from a forum member at the transfer FFL that has been mailed to them or dropped off and put in their safe. No one at either FFL opened or checked the gun in the case to see if it is clear and empty. I asked the first time on the gun dropped off and the answer was a sheepish no while the 2nd time the gun mailed had plastic wrap around the box, so it was definitely not opened by the FFL. I opened each box, made sure no magazine is in place, rack the slide and lock it back, visually and manually check the barrel and chamber to make sure it's empty and clear before placing it back in the box to take it with me. Even though I keep my gun loaded and chambered, I always check before putting it on. Practice safety, ingrain, muscle memory, every time, no exceptions. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Criticalt]

Unfortunate.
I "almost" took a 357 magnum round to the head. Ive told this story before.
About 7-8 years ago a friend and I were in my yard shooting. The friend was firing my GP100. I was watching him from behind his left side. He fired 6 rounds, then turned toward me and asked, "was that 5 or 6?"......
Then he pulled the trigger. The gun was 10 feet from me, barrel right at my head!
He says, "just fucking with you".
Ummmm no, not very funny.
I haven't seen the dude sinse October 2023 due to other non firearm related incidents.

 

[TopShot]

I'll take "Dropped the mag but didn't clear the chamber" for $200, Alex.

Horrible tragedy.

Funny, Not Funny !
C.B.

 

[spat]

Unfortunate.
I "almost" took a 357 magnum round to the head. Ive told this story before.
About 7-8 years ago a friend and I were in my yard shooting. The friend was firing my GP100. I was watching him from behind his left side. He fired 6 rounds, then turned toward me and asked, "was that 5 or 6?"......
Then he pulled the trigger. The gun was 10 feet from me, barrel right at my head!
He says, "just fucking with you".
Ummmm no, not very funny.
I haven't seen the dude sinse October 2023 due to other non firearm related incidents.

Closest I've come was putting a round into the berm from a gun I *thought* wasn't loaded.

That's why the rules overlap. You *will* screw one of them up eventually, no matter how careful you are. If you work diligently to follow all of them all the time, then when that happens, another one of them will cover your ass, like it did me in that case.

If you think you'll never screw up, then you're probably the most dangerous guy at the range.

 

[TopShot]

If you're not shooting at a target.
Always Check The Chamber Before You Pull The Trigger !
C.B.

 

[Criticalt]

Closest I've come was putting a round into the berm from a gun I *thought* wasn't loaded.

That's why the rules overlap. You *will* screw one of them up eventually, no matter how careful you are. If you work diligently to follow all of them all the time, then when that happens, another one of them will cover your ass, like it did me in that case.

If you think you'll never screw up, then you're probably the most dangerous guy at the range.

I did get shot when I was about 14. Luckily it was a ricochet off water. My friend was standing directly across a 60 foot pond from me. He was firing a 22lr rifle into the water.
I felt something hit my thigh, it didnt hurt, it felt like maybe a small rock hitting me.
After maybe 3 seconds, it started to BURN!
At first it was like a bee sting, then it was like what a hot poker must feel like.
I pulled my pants down and saw nothing. I massaged the area a bit, and noticed a hole. I used my thumbs to pull it apart. A tiny line of smoke came out of the hole. Absolutely no blood.
By that time Big Bill was there. That was my friend Billy's Vietnam hardened Marine Sergeant dad.
He said "can you feel it?"
I said "YES!!"
He said "SQUEEZE IT OUT!"
So I did, it felt much better.

 

[Zerex]

There are two types of AD's......................those who have experienced one, and those who will.

 

[Robin]

I have talked to many people the are living proof that AD's do indeed occur.
Robin

 

[Parzival]

There’s no such thing as an AD (unless it’s a P320), there’s always negligence involved.

 

[FP1201]

Closest I've come was putting a round into the berm from a gun I *thought* wasn't loaded.

That's why the rules overlap. You *will* screw one of them up eventually, no matter how careful you are. If you work diligently to follow all of them all the time, then when that happens, another one of them will cover your ass, like it did me in that case.

If you think you'll never screw up, then you're probably the most dangerous guy at the range.

I've had a few close calls/narrow misses from dumb-ass people with guns...Room mate dicking around with a 30-30 winchester put one through the wall and out the window inches from where I was standing. Shot at with a .22 revolver, and some other close calls...I don't count getting "rained on" with Bird Shot during Dove Season... and people wonder why I won't go hunting with anyone.
I confess to not checking a AR that was brought to me for some work (it had a magazine lock, and I FAILED to check the chamber)
I try hard to be careful and responsible, follow the rules, so even when or if there's a ND hopefully no one gets hurt, fuck your ego.

 

[Robin]

Vasectomies have prevented too many to count.
Robin

 

[spat]

There’s no such thing as an AD (unless it’s a P320), there’s always negligence involved.

Accident just means unintentional.

Negligence doesn't preclude accidental.

If you drive drunk, you're negligent. When you hit a tree it's still an accident.

 

[Parzival]

Accident just means unintentional.

Negligence doesn't preclude accidental.

If you drive drunk, you're negligent. When you hit a tree it's still an accident.

In the legal world, it’s a drunk driving crash or collision.

An accident implies unavoidable circumstances.

As I said, there’s no such thing as an AD.

 

[Criticalt]

There’s no such thing as an AD (unless it’s a P320), there’s always negligence involved.

100%
As long as the gun is in proper working order....and not abused. I have seen MSRs "go off" after a bunch of magazines of rapid fire.
It happened 2x on Iraqvetersn8888 youtube channel during their "meltdown" tests.
Both were AR15s, one Daniel Defense, and one Palmetto State Armory I believe.
APPARENTLY this MAY be because the barrel and reciever were neary red hot.
One of the guns stopped firing halfway through a magazine, so Eric set the gun down, the gun fired off 2 rounds without being touched.
Ive heard of this being a thing other times too. But the average person isn't firing 1000+ rounds as fast as humanly possible.
So were these "accidental discharges", I personally don't think so. All semi auto rifles ive seen say somewhere in their MOA to NOT over heat the firearm. Doing so is negligence in my opinion.
In combat we got rifles hot, but not 1000 rounds hot!

 

[spat]

100%
As long as the gun is in proper working order....and not abused. I have seen MSRs "go off" after a bunch of magazines of rapid fire.
It happened 2x on Iraqvetersn8888 youtube channel during their "meltdown" tests.
Both were AR15s, one Daniel Defense, and one Palmetto State Armory I believe.
APPARENTLY this MAY be because the barrel and reciever were neary red hot.
One of the guns stopped firing halfway through a magazine, so Eric set the gun down, the gun fired off 2 rounds without being touched.
Ive heard of this being a thing other times too. But the average person isn't firing 1000+ rounds as fast as humanly possible.
So were these "accidental discharges", I personally don't think so. All semi auto rifles ive seen say somewhere in their MOA to NOT over heat the firearm. Doing so is negligence in my opinion.
In combat we got rifles hot, but not 1000 rounds hot!

To be fair, if you have a problem because you were knowingly handling a faulty gun, that's probably negligence too.

 

[FP1201]

Accident just means unintentional.

Negligence doesn't preclude accidental.

If you drive drunk, you're negligent. When you hit a tree it's still an accident.

Caller claimed it was an "accident" (presuming he did not intend to cause harm) fucking around with a gun, again assuming he didn't know it was loaded or would go off is still a Negligent Discharge.
I paraphrased the 9-1-1 dispatch in the opening post, the words above are my opinion...still sucks that he killed his own Father trying to to cool shit for a stupid fucking video clip.

 

[OwnTheRide]

There are two types of AD's......................those who have experienced one, and those who will.

I'd have to disagree, but from a pedantic perspective: ADs are incredibly rare, and very few people will ever experience one. NDs are not rare.

AD (by my definition) is a situation along the lines of a gun in a properly fitting holster with appropriate trigger guard that fires due to a jostle or something, from normal movement (like walking).

ND (by my definition) is pretty much everything else.