South Africa SHTF/ Apocalypse situation

[Drinkthekoolaid]

You are probably going to get your wish. I follow a geo-political writer peter zeihan. His latest book predicts the US disengaging from the world. Specifically we won't be using our navy to guarantee freedom of the seas. Nations that rely on free trade for raw materials or exports of finished products will suffer the most as a result. He thinks there is a very high likelihood of famine in a number of countries in the near future. His main theme is the US will be ok because we are largely self dependant but most of the rest of the world is in trouble. Sobering reading.

Not to go off topic but I'm in the middle of watching the movie series for atlas shrugged. I'm going to start part 3 later today or tomorrow. I really feel like we are living the slow motion supply chain, labor problems, creeping socialism from the book. It's quite remarkable.





I'm going to try and check out a new local store I just heard a radio ad for

Queen City Tactical

CALL US AT 716 - 466 - 1776

queencitytactical.com

Never been there or heard of it before but Definitely want to see if they have anything I "need". Watching south Africa go full mad max is kicking my instinct up a notch

 

[Blimey]

Unarmed mobs do not like guns used against their rage. Those mobs vote. If they can't get a gun they will resent wealthier people having them as well.

 

[GOPerfect]

Oh, it's the DAs that are leading the oppression, but it's the cops who are following their lead.

Some orders should just be refused.


And the fact that there was no looting at the McCloskys just means they were successful against the mob, but then the government came for them.

Which is why I fear the government far more than the mob.

I do not fear either. I am very leery of both though.

In the McCloskys entire neighborhood, besides the gate being torn down, not one place was looted. I have no issue at all with their actions. Hell, I applaud them. They chose a path and took it.

As for orders being refused and ignored, imagine how awesome it would be if those refused orders were made public? Imagine of we heard, publicly, all of the Police that walked off the job, or were fired for not obeying all orders?

Our forum would be max out with all the stories of police leaving the job.

 

[Robin]

An actual war against white people.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

An actual war against white people.
Robin

Coming soon to America??

 

[drowhawk]

Coming soon to America??

Already here.
See: CHAZ.

 

[tirwin1]

Coming soon to America??

Possibly but whites are a minority in south Africa but not here (yet).

 

[GOPerfect]

Possibly but whites are a minority in south Africa but not here (yet).

Depends on how one looks at things and locations.

I know what you are saying though.

 

[CaseHardened]

But we’re better than that and we can’t allow that.

WE ?

I am not "better than that".

We protect (rather poorly, tho) primitive Amazon Tribes from outside influence.

Why should we treat countries that despise civilization any different ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Already here.
See: CHAZ.

Chaz was nothing compared to what I believe is in our future.

Chaz was a joke, the next year? I think not.

 

[Catskillkid]

The "gun control debate" is never over...until firearms are only in the hands of those who would use them against a law-abiding, disarmed, citizenry.

The only debate is between those who seek to subjugate citizens and those citizens who refuse to be subjugated.

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I take one issue with that last quote. An unarmed man is not merely a subject. He is a SLAVE.

 

[tirwin1]

Depends on how one looks at things and locations.

I know what you are saying though.

You are correct. In most cities whites are a minority. The situation is reversed outside the cities. The city residents can wreak havoc on white people similar to what is happening in south Africa. They will find it much more difficult to do if they venture out to the suburbs.

 

[GOPerfect]

You are correct. In most cities whites are a minority. The situation is reversed outside the cities. The city residents can wreak havoc on white people similar to what is happening in south Africa. They will find it much more difficult to do if they venture out to the suburbs.

I can only tell people to always watch their surroundings and understand that a little old White lady in a wheelchair is probably not a threat.

Look for what one perceives as a threat and act accordingly.

 

[CaseHardened]

I can only tell people to always watch their surroundings and understand that a little old White lady in a wheelchair is probably not a threat.

Look for what one perceives as a threat and act accordingly.

But for the "usual suspects" she is the perfect victim.

 

[Robin]

These days that little old white lady in a wheel chair just might be moving weapons for BLM or ANTIFA.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

These days that little old white lady in a wheel chair just might be moving weapons for BLM or ANTIFA.
Robin

You may be right my friend, you may be right....

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[tirwin1]

At least things are getting better......not!

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I honestly don't understand why white people remained in south africa. Given that country's history this was inevitable.

 

[Blimey]

At least things are getting better......not!

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I honestly don't understand why white people remained in south africa. Given that country's history this was inevitable.

I don't, either, and I look it up every once in a while as to why. I have concluded that the bulk of white people still there fall in one of these groups. I may be completely wrong, but:

1) They can't afford to expatriate. It's costly, often requires specialized skills, etc. (I mean to do it legally, that is).

2) Lie to themselves about their own security situation; pretend it's not as precarious as it is

3) "Love South Africa"

Re. 3 Many people the world over will never leave where they were born. They are accustomed to it and just will not leave. They either think it's craven to do so or that they can fix it or something like that.

Check out this to read near real-time posts from people in SA. They seem to be very triggered here by Americans who post for some reason: South Africa • r/southafrica

 

[spat]

At least things are getting better......not!

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I honestly don't understand why white people remained in south africa. Given that country's history this was inevitable.

The same reasons people continue to live in NY when it's obvious how things are going to go down there.

South Africa is just farther down the path is all.

Get out while you can.

 

[CaseHardened]

I remember when South Africa was prosperous and peaceful.

I wonder what happened ?

( Actually we all know what happened. Liberal Fantasies. )

Don't you know when the Police are removed, everyone will just play nice ?

 

[tirwin1]

I don't, either, and I look it up every once in a while as to why. I have concluded that the bulk of white people still there fall in one of these groups. I may be completely wrong, but:

1) They can't afford to expatriate. It's costly, often requires specialized skills, etc. (I mean to do it legally, that is).

2) Lie to themselves about their own security situation; pretend it's not as precarious as it is

3) "Love South Africa"

Re. 3 Many people the world over will never leave where they were born. They are accustomed to it and just will not leave. They either think it's craven to do so or that they can fix it or something like that.

Check out this to read near real-time posts from people in SA. They seem to be very triggered here by Americans who post for some reason: South Africa • r/southafrica

Interesting discussion. One person summarized the situation pretty well:

The situation is incredibly complex and it's the confluence of multiple factors.

Colonialism and Apartheid laid the groundwork for a lot of what's happening. Centuries of privation will not be undone in under three decades if you still need to make obeisance to capital. The vast majority of South Africans were denied the opportunity to create wealth and to build generational wealth. They were also forcefully removed from their homes. Any talk of redressing these injustices is immediately met with hysterics.

Rampant inequality. I don't think poverty is a causal factor here - there are nations in Africa and around the world that are significantly poorer. Inequality combined with unemployment and an economic system that exemplifies owning capital as the highest moral good breeds resentment.

The failure of the post-apartheid government is the powder-keg that's been lit. For nearly 30 years the ANC has run on a platform of food and housing and jobs and education for everyone and for thirty years they have failed to make a meaningful dent into these issues. Some things have definitely improved, but not by a large enough margin or quickly enough.

The Zuma decade exacerbated fundamental, structural issues in South African society. It's thought that his tenure cost South Africa trillions of rand. He is, however, very charismatic and he's made friends with the right people. Our State Security Agency has indicated that former members still loyal to Zuma have been agitating or instigating a lot of the unrest.

COVID worsened the situation in SA significantly. More unemployment, less money, more expensive goods and services = more resentment and anger.

The arrest of Jacob Zuma was the match that lit the fuse. He has convicted and arrested for contempt of court. Not just any court, but the highest court in the country. He was in contempt because he refused to appear before a commission that's investigating - in part - his corruption. This triggered, at first, protests from loyalists and has now devolved into civil unrest that belies decades of broken promises.

In a nutshell and embarrassingly incomplete, these are what I consider the main factors behind the unrest.

 

[Robin]

We could take their white people on an even swap for those here that are dissatisfied.
Robin

 

[CaseHardened]

It is not surprising how little things change.

1000 years ago the Vikings invaded England, murdered the farmers, burned down the buildings.

Then they wondered why there was no food; no shelter.

Fast forward to Ferguson.

 

[Blimey]

Interesting discussion. One person summarized the situation pretty well:

The situation is incredibly complex and it's the confluence of multiple factors.

Colonialism and Apartheid laid the groundwork for a lot of what's happening. Centuries of privation will not be undone in under three decades if you still need to make obeisance to capital. The vast majority of South Africans were denied the opportunity to create wealth and to build generational wealth. They were also forcefully removed from their homes. Any talk of redressing these injustices is immediately met with hysterics.

Rampant inequality. I don't think poverty is a causal factor here - there are nations in Africa and around the world that are significantly poorer. Inequality combined with unemployment and an economic system that exemplifies owning capital as the highest moral good breeds resentment.

The failure of the post-apartheid government is the powder-keg that's been lit. For nearly 30 years the ANC has run on a platform of food and housing and jobs and education for everyone and for thirty years they have failed to make a meaningful dent into these issues. Some things have definitely improved, but not by a large enough margin or quickly enough.

The Zuma decade exacerbated fundamental, structural issues in South African society. It's thought that his tenure cost South Africa trillions of rand. He is, however, very charismatic and he's made friends with the right people. Our State Security Agency has indicated that former members still loyal to Zuma have been agitating or instigating a lot of the unrest.

COVID worsened the situation in SA significantly. More unemployment, less money, more expensive goods and services = more resentment and anger.

The arrest of Jacob Zuma was the match that lit the fuse. He has convicted and arrested for contempt of court. Not just any court, but the highest court in the country. He was in contempt because he refused to appear before a commission that's investigating - in part - his corruption. This triggered, at first, protests from loyalists and has now devolved into civil unrest that belies decades of broken promises.

In a nutshell and embarrassingly incomplete, these are what I consider the main factors behind the unrest.

I think this also summarizes why the place is fucked long term and won't be any better any time soon.

If you read some of the posts at reddit you'll see some people think it's fine, not nearly as bad as many say, with a bright future, albeit some issues. Others say that crime is everywhere and even those in walled off suburbs live in fear, and are victims of violent crime.

That does bring up a key point with a universal truth: "Rampant inequality. I don't think poverty is a causal factor here - there are nations in Africa and around the world that are significantly poorer."

People don't hate being poor so much as they hate others being rich. This is across every culture as far as I'm aware.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Colonialism and Apartheid laid the groundwork for a lot of what's happening.

Point of order:
Careful with that "colonialism" stuff. SA was uninhabited when the Boers showed up.

 

[DoD1776]

I wonder how our armor car driver who shot those people that tried robbing his vehicle is doing.

 

[DoD1776]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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It's a combination of whites, indians and blacks all working together fighting to protect themselves and neighbors from a predominantly Zulu black rioting pillaging plunderer raping horde

 

[spat]

I wonder how our armor car driver who shot those people that tried robbing his vehicle is doing.

He seemed like he knew how to take care of himself.

His partner, not so much....