State Bans "Paramilitary Training" In Violation of the 2nd Amendment ... UPDATE ... Off to Jail

[spat]

Call them fees or taxes failure to pay will ultimately end with the government exerting force to obtain the funds. From that perspective there is no difference.

Capone had a court system? I never heard that one. I'll assume it's true. My sense is failure to pay protection to Capone was enforced much quicker and more violently than the legal court system even if it was corrupt.

Of course they had a court system. It had less pomp and circumstance than ours, but none of that theater has any value to justice.

One of the central tenets of the Sicilian derived mafia was that it's members absolutely never employed the government justice system for anything.

Obviously a large organization that doesn't use the government justice system will need it's own, or police it's members and settle disputes between them.


As far as being quicker and more violent, that's true, but it is a feature not a deficit. One of the main problems with our justice system is it's slow ponderos nature. Justice must be swift or it's not justice.

The fact that it takes years to go to trial does nothing to improve the accuracy rate in our justice system, it simply guarantees a very poor result.

Now, I'm not going to argue to content of either justice system, but I do believe theirs was applied far more uniformly. What our government promotes today is an absolute joke.

As for the difference between a fee and a tax is the penalty for not paying.

You don't get arrested for not paying a fee. You simply don't get to enjoy the associated service. It's far more voluntary than a tax, and therefore more ethical.

 

[Acer-m14]

here ya go .. law suit filed .. he did have permits and then they revoked them . when .. after all was built and up and running ? ..

Karen and Ken complained of the pew pew noise ..




1. This case involves a novel attempt to infringe on protected constitutional and state law activity by way of local zoning regulations. The named defendants in this case, at the encouragement of interested and disinterested persons alike, including members of the media and government officials hostile to gun rights, unlawfully revoked plaintiff's valid zoning pennit to operate a shooting/training school on his vast 30 acres of rural, undeveloped, wooded property. The revocation of Plaintiff's permit was significantly influenced by sensationalized, untrue claims made about Plaintiff and his shooting range, known as "Slate Ridge."

https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Banyai-Federal-Complaint.pdf

no comment @Zerex ??

 

[Zerex]

The number of recessions in the USA caused the creation of the Fed.

List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Chicago board of Trade, the Mercantile Exchange, the SEC, The WHEAT Board, and Wall St are just different examples of how the economy is run, unbeknownst to most people.

After the creation of the Fed, things got better; 1929 revealed the need to create the SEC to regulate the Wall St Traders. Without the Fed and the above financial regulators, today we would be a world of far worse hurt.

The Income tax has been part of America since 1913... we need a flat tax of 7% to fix things. The late Herman Cain promoted the 7-7-7 tax code.

Read.

 

[Zerex]

Now back to the moron Banyi...this was not a 2nd amendment matter, but a zoning matter, but now the State of Vt has gone too far with is state law banning training, which is about as ex to regulate as breathing air.....all because of this soverign Citizen, bent on creating an army..if he had the proper permits and building permits, it might be different story but he was a moron..that is why there are Officers and NCO's to rule the moron soldiers......

 

[Defilade]

Now back to the moron Banyi...this was not a 2nd amendment matter, but a zoning matter, but now the State of Vt has gone too far with is state law banning training, which is about as ex to regulate as breathing air.....all because of this soverign Citizen, bent on creating an army..if he had the proper permits and building permits, it might be different story but he was a moron..that is why there are Officers and NCO's to rule the moron soldiers......

Yeah look up the definition of "Permit"! It's the opposite of free. Nothing more than a fuckin money grab (stealing). Moron Soldiers?? Yeah, like the ones that gave you freedom? Go live in China! You don't rate freedom!

 

[Acer-m14]

video from someone that actually talked to the guy ... ohhh the Guy is a NRA Instructor too a certified Pew pew Trainer ..

plus the Sherriff and State cops are looking the other way .. not our Job .. LOL ..

 

[Acer-m14]

if you got a building permit .. how can a judge say he shouldn't have issued it .. LOL ..

 

[Jmac00]

Mr Banyi, has bailed, he has complied with the court order, and has removed his gun range

 

[HIghlander]

The number of recessions in the USA caused the creation of the Fed.

List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Chicago board of Trade, the Mercantile Exchange, the SEC, The WHEAT Board, and Wall St are just different examples of how the economy is run, unbeknownst to most people.

After the creation of the Fed, things got better; 1929 revealed the need to create the SEC to regulate the Wall St Traders. Without the Fed and the above financial regulators, today we would be a world of far worse hurt.

The Income tax has been part of America since 1913... we need a flat tax of 7% to fix things. The late Herman Cain promoted the 7-7-7 tax code.

Read.

Actually it was the 9-9-9 Tax code.

 

[Zerex]

The fact is that we live in a Republic, as defined by the Constitution.
You original rights were surrendered to the government, the moment it was ratified.
Surrendered, erased, kaput. Much better situation, than under King George.

We live under the social contract's parameters, as defined by our laws, local state and fed.


There are no sovereign Citizens.

The IRS and income tax IS the will of the people.
Eminent domaine also.

This moron Banyi appealed all the wsay to the Vt Supreme Ct on this case involving---- codes, zoning, etc etc. but not the 2nd amendment...............If he had a leg to stand on, he might have won, but he did not.

Many structures are demolished in cities each year, that do not meet code. Oops...no compensation.

Most property takings are for public purposes, urban renewal, roads, schools, hospitals, etc etc but will include compensation..no compensation for illegally constructed structures by Bany----a real soverign citizen..in jail, for contempt of court...another law......contempt of court...sit on it, wannabe sovereigns.

 

[Jmac00]

The fact is that we live in a Republic, as defined by the Constitution.
You original rights were surrendered to the government, the moment it was ratified.
Surrendered, erased, kaput. Much better situation, than under King George.

We live under the social contract's parameters, as defined by our laws, local state and fed.


There are no sovereign Citizens.

The IRS and income tax IS the will of the people.
Eminent domaine also.

This moron Banyi appealed all the wsay to the Vt Supreme Ct on this case involving---- codes, zoning, etc etc. but not the 2nd amendment...............If he had a leg to stand on, he might have won, but he did not.

Many structures are demolished in cities each year, that do not meet code. Oops...no compensation.

Most property takings are for public purposes, urban renewal, roads, schools, hospitals, etc etc but will include compensation..no compensation for illegally constructed structures by Bany----a real soverign citizen..in jail, for contempt of court...another law......contempt of court...sit on it, wannabe sovereigns.

He may have acquiesced to the state, but he still has a Federal civil rights law suite against the state. it will probably take years to get to the SCOTUS, but he may prevail? who knows?

And as far as structures being demolished that don't meet code, in a municipality? MEH!!! The state must offer the owner "fair market value" before they use Emanate Domain. What that amount is? I don't have clue who determines that?

 

[Zerex]

The cost of demolition, usually exceeds the fairmarket value of hte land, with the strcuture being a minus....most are tax surrendered parcels, and later sold at auction.

Eminent domaine is one thing but erecting a structure without proper approvals--Banyi may yet get a bill for the demolition costs, and the property may eventually be taken for unpaid costs, and sold.

 

[spat]

The cost of demolition, usually exceeds the fairmarket value of hte land, with the strcuture being a minus....most are tax surrendered parcels, and later sold at auction.

Eminent domaine is one thing but erecting a structure without proper approvals--Banyi may yet get a bill for the demolition costs, and the property may eventually be taken for unpaid costs, and sold.

And you say this like it's a good thing ?


I will agree it's common, but owning other human beings use to be common too


It was never right.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Grimscale]

And you say this like it's a good thing ?

Yeah he does. And he keeps overlooking the fact that this man HAD the proper approvals to build and those were revoked AFTER THE FACT.
I still don't get how that can happen, but I guess in a tyrannical state anything is possible.
And some will salivate at witnessing it.

 

[Zerex]

Town of Pawlet v. Banyai

Landowner Daniel Banyai appealed an Environmental Division decision upholding a notice of violation, granting a permanent injunction, and assessing $46,600 in fines, relating to alleged zoning violations and the construction of a firearms training facility in the Town of Pawlet. Banyai argued he...

law.justia.com

Read the lawsuit.
Banyi NEVER had permission to build anything, under ANY permit that was granted or revoked. No permit ever, just his late application to build a school at the end of a ROW, that did not meet the Vermont Unified Zoning Code requirements.........you know, a written law. Damn!!


Get with the facts.

If it is your OPINION, on a TOPIC SAY SO, but do not promulgate false and insane claims that have no basis in fact. Banyi never had permission.

 

[Defilade]

Town of Pawlet v. Banyai

Landowner Daniel Banyai appealed an Environmental Division decision upholding a notice of violation, granting a permanent injunction, and assessing $46,600 in fines, relating to alleged zoning violations and the construction of a firearms training facility in the Town of Pawlet. Banyai argued he...

law.justia.com

Read the lawsuit.
Banyi NEVER had permission to build anything, under ANY permit that was granted or revoked. No permit ever, just his late application to build a school at the end of a ROW, that did not meet the Vermont Unified Zoning Code requirements.........you know, a written law. Damn!!


Get with the facts.

If it is your OPINION, on a TOPIC SAY SO, but do not promulgate false and insane claims that have no basis in fact. Banyi never had permission.

Found this and No it doesn't pertain to VT but yet PA. I'll bet with some research it pertains to all states in some form. Basically it says Fuck you and your codes!! Not LAWS!!



Article I, § 1 of the Constitution of Pennsylvania provides: “All men…have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those… of acquiring, possessing and protecting property… “ It is today often forgotten by legislative or zoning bodies or planning commissions that this inherent and indefeasible right of ownership and possession of private property includes the right to use property, otherwise the right would be meaningless. “The governing principle is accurately stated in 20 Corpus Juris, 566, “There need not be an actual, physical taking, but any destruction, restriction or interruption of the common and necessary use and enjoyment of property in a lawful manner may constitute a taking for which compensation must be made to the owner of the property. Andress vs. Zoning Board of Adjustment, 410 Pa. 77 (1963).

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Local people, mostly the ones new to the area got angry that land that was leased to a hunting club was bought by a different hunting club. They started going to town council meetings to get the land rezoned. The land has been a licensed shooting preserve for years. Hunting club went to town and said if they weren’t welcome the club would sell the land, and turn it into a landfill.

 

[Acer-m14]

more i think on this ..

sounds like the blue city folks moved to the country next to a farm and then bitched a fit and then

got the farm tore down because of the smell

 

[Acer-m14]

Town of Pawlet v. Banyai

Landowner Daniel Banyai appealed an Environmental Division decision upholding a notice of violation, granting a permanent injunction, and assessing $46,600 in fines, relating to alleged zoning violations and the construction of a firearms training facility in the Town of Pawlet. Banyai argued he...

law.justia.com

Read the lawsuit.
Banyi NEVER had permission to build anything, under ANY permit that was granted or revoked. No permit ever, just his late application to build a school at the end of a ROW, that did not meet the Vermont Unified Zoning Code requirements.........you know, a written law. Damn!!


Get with the facts.

If it is your OPINION, on a TOPIC SAY SO, but do not promulgate false and insane claims that have no basis in fact. Banyi never had permission.

so him and his lawyer lied on there Federal lawsuit claim .. that he did have a permit ??


i'm appealing the town of Pawlet permit codes .. judge .. no your not your going to jail ..

 

[Acer-m14]

i know of 3 outhouses still in use here and not one permit was needed ..

there still standing and used when i go there to hunt ..

just bring your own TP ..

 

[Zerex]

That Fed lawsuit he filed, claiming 2nd amendment violations, is just moot........Zoning codes are State Matters, and the Vt SC said so. It is not a fed issue.

He had no valid permit. He wasted that $$$ on that lawyer's Fed petition to be heard.

I have a shooting range on the farm, but rarely use it anymore, as I do not want to aggravate anyone.

I do piss in the woods, but don't tell anyone.
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