speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
isnt this why many were upset that McDonald didn't go far enough
State legislature won't accept SCOTUS ruling
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spat
.950 JDJ
What does that mean for a gun range ?
No more than 15 people ?
Is that max occupancy for Cabellas now ?
FirstRifle
.40 S&W
This law would limit all types of shooting sports to a maximum of 14 people, including NRA pistol, rifle and shotgun classes, skeet and trap matches, IDPA, USPSA, steel challenge, 3 gun, sporter rifle, bullseye matches and leagues, and others not listed here. There are indoor ranges with more than 14 stations. There are shooting sports destinations located on several acres of land with multiple separate skeet, trap, rifle and pistol ranges. Would those be limited to a maximum of 14 people, including the non-shooting support staff?
This state is so silly, they think I give a fuck what they say.
The section you refer to is in reference to private property, and private property owners could either allow or disallow the carrying of concealed handguns by LEOs. Private property owners already have this option, so that is not affected by this new bill. I think you may have a valid point about carrying openly.
b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that--
(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property
So many seem upset about this. I think it is awesome and I hope it passes in full. I really do. No sarcasm coming from my typed words.
If this mess were to pass, it would be amended to give some people exemptions, The Police for one as well as elected officials, their bodyguards and others they deem to be worthy of an exemption.
I do not think this has a chance in hell of passing, not even a watered down version; but again, I hope it does.
We the People have the power but we seldom use the power that is rightfully ours. If this were to pass, next to no one would do anything about it, ie. private citizen(s).
In 2013, the SAFE Act passed and the overwhelming vast majority of people did nothing, nothing at all except register their guns and neuter them. Sure, there were a couple of rally's that tore up some grass.
Maybe if this garbage passes, more people will wake up, I doubt it though.
If this mess were to pass, it would be amended to give some people exemptions, The Police for one as well as elected officials, their bodyguards and others they deem to be worthy of an exemption.
I do not think this has a chance in hell of passing, not even a watered down version; but again, I hope it does.
We the People have the power but we seldom use the power that is rightfully ours. If this were to pass, next to no one would do anything about it, ie. private citizen(s).
In 2013, the SAFE Act passed and the overwhelming vast majority of people did nothing, nothing at all except register their guns and neuter them. Sure, there were a couple of rally's that tore up some grass.
Maybe if this garbage passes, more people will wake up, I doubt it though.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I heard that you are exempt from this bill as long as you are wearing a mask while carrying.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Or committing a crime.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Not surprised, even when you go through the courts to settle this they’ll find a way to infringe even further.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Several of the justices were questioning the concept of what "sensitive areas" were and how they'd be defined.
Doing this now may result in NY State playing their cards too early. This would allow a SCOTUS ruling to address the NY State outlawing guns everywhere except when walking outdoors.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
and holding up a 7-11..........................
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So...this informs criminals that the following will be full of unarmed people:
12 (a) Any form of public transportation, including but not limited to
13 railroads, ride sharing services, paratransit services, subways, buses,
14 air travel, taxis or any other public transportation service;
15 (b) Food and drink establishments; or
16 (c) Large gatherings, which for the purposes of this section shall
17 mean a gathering together of fifteen or more persons for amusement,
18 athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic, poli-
19 tical, recreational, religious, social, or similar purposes.
Concealed is concealed... What do they plan to do? Put metal detectors at all these places?
Nothing to worry about, and it's a clear too broad restriction that amounts to basically denying your ability to possess other than standing in front of your door!
Fuck them all!
Nothing to worry about, and it's a clear too broad restriction that amounts to basically denying your ability to possess other than standing in front of your door!
Fuck them all!
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
17 mean a gathering together of fifteen or more persons for amusement,
18 athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic, poli-
Attention FireArm Safety and Training Classes .. no more then 15 .. Livco Sherriff did you get this memo .. for the classes you have ..
18 athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic, poli-
Attention FireArm Safety and Training Classes .. no more then 15 .. Livco Sherriff did you get this memo .. for the classes you have ..
Licensed ccw holder generally exempt from this under NY law i.e. exempt from NY definition of "firearm". Interesting that they added terms "rifle" and "shotgun" to this section so my guess is this doesn't apply to licensed CC holder but would apply if otherwise legal rifle or shotgun were carried in these situations. Or dimwits that drafted it don't understand their own law lol...
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
speak for yourself
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
What this would do is allow them to revoke pistol permits all over the state. When someone is "caught" in any of those circumstances they are "breaking the law" and judges will revoke their permits.
There is no way this would stand up in an unbiased court, but we dont really have that in NY so it would have to go to scotus and who has the money for that kind of fight? They know this and will exploit this unfortunate aspect of the law.
There is no way this would stand up in an unbiased court, but we dont really have that in NY so it would have to go to scotus and who has the money for that kind of fight? They know this and will exploit this unfortunate aspect of the law.
drowhawk
.44 mag
So, you are not bright enough to understand what almost everyone else on this forum does in regards to my post.
Should read more of what I type and what I want.
I take it, you did not read and comprehend all that I typed.
The truth, you do not like?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Guys, I think you can read this as a stunt or they are doing what they did with the SAFE act with “ muzzle brake”.
Section 265.20 describes the exemptions to penal law weapons possession. People with gun permits are legally allowed to carry except in
“section 400.00 of this chapter; provided, that such a license or
registration shall not preclude a conviction for the offense defined in
subdivision three of section 265.01 of this article or section 265.01-a
of this article.”
Thats carrying on school property.
The new bill adds precluded areas to section 265.01b
“Section 265.01-b of the penal law, as added by chapter 1 of
2 the laws of 2013, is amended to read as follows:
3 § 265.01-b Criminal possession of a firearm….”
To make it illegal for a permit holder to carry in those places, the law would change where it is labeled to 265.01c or change the exemptions in 265.20
Section 265.20 describes the exemptions to penal law weapons possession. People with gun permits are legally allowed to carry except in
“section 400.00 of this chapter; provided, that such a license or
registration shall not preclude a conviction for the offense defined in
subdivision three of section 265.01 of this article or section 265.01-a
of this article.”
Thats carrying on school property.
The new bill adds precluded areas to section 265.01b
“Section 265.01-b of the penal law, as added by chapter 1 of
2 the laws of 2013, is amended to read as follows:
3 § 265.01-b Criminal possession of a firearm….”
To make it illegal for a permit holder to carry in those places, the law would change where it is labeled to 265.01c or change the exemptions in 265.20
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
spat
.950 JDJ
They can already revoke pistol permits at will. They don't need an excuse.
They could literally just comb through social media posts and find one statement you made criticizing this BS and call that justification.
gingerbread_mag
9mm
hahaha fuck NYS legislature. what a petty temper tantrum.
This will get thrown out the nano-second after the first case is litigated in favor of the State and is appealed to the SC. The law will disappear to avoid a loss in court, the defendant will go free, minus legal costs to combat this bullshit. It's the tens of thousands of otherwise law abiding, peaceful, and civilized citizens who will leave the gun at home that I worry about.
This will get thrown out the nano-second after the first case is litigated in favor of the State and is appealed to the SC. The law will disappear to avoid a loss in court, the defendant will go free, minus legal costs to combat this bullshit. It's the tens of thousands of otherwise law abiding, peaceful, and civilized citizens who will leave the gun at home that I worry about.
gingerbread_mag
9mm
Good point.
As much as it could be in preparation/retaliation for a 2A-favorable SCOTUS ruling, it makes more sense for it to be a preemptive maneuver to discourage armed protest and militia gatherings.