Strange timing? Kolbe dies, and suddenly HR 38 moves?

[VietnamEraVet]

While surfing the news tonight, I found an article on Bearing Arms (based on a CNN article) noting that, suddenly and seemingly out of the blue, HR38 National Reciprocity bill is now going to be voted out of Committee on Wednesday, along with a bill to fix the military not reporting properly to NICS.

But what really struck me was that this came out late in the day on the VERY SAME DAY that SCOTUS killed Kolbe v Hogan, and a separate bill regarding open carry in FL.

Could it possibly be that the god damn RINO’s in the House led by Speaker Lyin Paul Ryan realized that there are going to be a shitload of pissed off gun rights people over SCOTUS denying Cert, and so they release HR38 to move out of committee in order to deflect the coming anger?

Then, when HR38 fails to pass the Senate, they can say that they tried... Mother Fuckers! Seems 100% plausible to me.

Then again, would anyone out there like to bet that a shooting of some kind will happen tomorrow or even Wednesday AM that will renew calls to stop exactly what HR38 would permit? Watch for a deranged shooter with a CCW from a state with less stringent requirements than the anti states (NY, NJ, MD, IL, CA, or maybe HI) to go on a shooting rampage in another state, and then the anti gunners will go nuts talking about how we need to NEVER allow National Reciprocity to prevent stuff exactly like that from happening ever again...

 

[HighlandLofts]

We the people don't stand a chance with both of these trash swamp creature parties. They both shove in all the Way up our asses.

 

[Mike1Juliet]

if reprocity passes, could there be another chance at SHARE?

 

[livingston]

Concealed Carry Bill Moves Forward In Congress
WASHINGTON — The House Judiciary Committee plans to mark up the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act this Wednesday. The bill would certify that each state recognize the concealed carry firearm credentials of other states.

Additionally, the bill mandates that states allow their own residents to carry firearms through “non-resident” permits they obtained from another state.

The House bill was introduced back in January by North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson and the corresponding Senate bill was introduced by Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn.
Concealed Carry Bill Moves Forward In Congress
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[VietnamEraVet]

I guess the show (or charade?) will start tomorrow at 10AM, and should be viewable online at: judiciary.house.gov. I notice that Chairman Goodlatte has offered up a substitute bill as of last Tuesday. I read it though quickly, but aside from it adding some text at the end relative to LEO's being authorized to carry in school zones, and adding that we would now be allowed to carry in lands administered by the US Forest Service too, I did not immediately notice other major differences. And, that makes me a bit nervous...I always get concerned that they would change one measly word and render it worthless.

They are supposedly also going to take up a NICS reform bill that does not yet have a # assigned, although it appears as though it might be HR 4344? I wonder if they will try to attach HR 38 to another bill that Democrats want passed (HR 4344 perhaps?) in hpes of getting it passed by the House and Senate?

 

[Phazer]

We the people don't stand a chance with both of these trash swamp creature parties. They both shove in all the Way up our asses.

As I just heard someone say, our government appears to be run by completely by the Democrat party that has within it a Republican wing.

 

[livingston]

I believe I read that one would have to abide by the laws of the state you are in ... Someone with a 15 round mag still cannot enter NY and be legal . Could be a run on 10 round mags if this passes . .... For certain handguns ... Xmas is almost here ... Perhaps a wish list is in order ... Just saying.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I believe I read that one would have to abide by the laws of the state you are in ... Someone with a 15 round mag still cannot enter NY and be legal . Could be a run on 10 round mags if this passes . .... For certain handguns ... Xmas is almost here ... Perhaps a wish list is in order ... Just saying.

This bill protects the handgun, magazine, and ammunition.

“(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine."

Text - H.R.38 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I believe I read that one would have to abide by the laws of the state you are in ... Someone with a 15 round mag still cannot enter NY and be legal . Could be a run on 10 round mags if this passes . .... For certain handguns ... Xmas is almost here ... Perhaps a wish list is in order ... Just saying.

IF it passes both chambers and were to get signed into law, it would still not be perfect, - but it could be one hell of an improvement. Of course, we would likely have to leave our hollow points at home before entering NJ, - and it is extremely likely that the anti's starting with CA will file all kinds of suits to stop it.

I can see FUAC, and all of the usual wailers (Bloomturd, Shannon Twats, Cyrus Piss Pants Vance, Hildabeast Clinton, O'Basturd, Feinstein, that self proclaimed military hero fella Senator Bluementhal, Chicago Mayor Rahm Shoot Em Up Emanuel, Governor Moonbeam, the astronaut and his hand puppet, and countless others absolutely losing their shit over it...

Right now, I'm planning a trip to HI, CA, IL, NJ, MD, NYC, Washington, DC, MA, CT, and maybe a few other choice destinations. You can bet your ass I'll be packing, and letting the assholes in those places know it without brandishing. Just to rub it in their god damn faces! I can see taking plenty of pictures at choice spots with shirts that rub it in, and then posting those pics online!

 

[Marine Cpl]

IF it passes both chambers and were to get signed into law, it would still not be perfect, - but it could be one hell of an improvement. Of course, we would likely have to leave our hollow points at home before entering NJ, - and it is extremely likely that the anti's starting with CA will file all kinds of suits to stop it.

I can see FUAC, and all of the usual wailers (Bloomturd, Shannon Twats, Cyrus Piss Pants Vance, Hildabeast Clinton, O'Basturd, Feinstein, that military hero Senator Bluementhal, Chicago Mayor Rahm Shoot Em Up Emanuel, Governor Moonbeam, and countless others absolutely losing their shit over it...

Right now, I'm planning a trip to HI, CA, IL, NJ, MD, NYC, Washington, DC, MA, CT, and maybe a few other choice destinations. You can bet your ass I'll be packing, and letting the assholes in those places know it without brandishing. Just to rub it in the god damn faces! I can see taking plenty of pictures at choice spots with shirts that rub it in, and then posting those pics online!

That's not what the bill says. The gun, it's magazines, and ammo would be protected. I linked it above.

They would also have to award you damages for violating the act.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

That's not what the bill says. The gun, it's magazines, and ammo would be protected. I linked it above.

Will, - a bit of confusion on my part then. I know that it says it protects those items, but it also says that we would need to follow the regulations of the state we are in. So, that seems to be conflicting to me.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

What is "mark up". Is this even anything to pay attention to yet?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Will, - a bit of confusion on my part then. I know that it says it protects those items, but it also says that we would need to follow the regulations of the state we are in. So, that seems to be conflicting to me.

Let me give it another read.

 

[Cooolone]

Still riles my ass, that a "Privilege" such as obtaining and using a Drivers License to operate a motor vehicle, is not more than a second thought, while a "Right" must endure this scrutiny and subjugation to political will!

Simply amazing!

So we have to ask... Beg, Congress to act on our behalf... In order to exercise freely, those Rights endowed upon us at birth, be it, across State lines!

Fuckers!

And with the Republicans controlling both houses, it's nothing "BUT" politics that this hasn't been ramrodded down the Dem's throats! They're going to shit-the-bed on this for sure, assholes!

 

[@thewheels]

That's not what the bill says. The gun, it's magazines, and ammo would be protected. I linked it above.

They would also have to award you damages for violating the act.

I'll go broke from buying standard capacity magazines if this passes. For guns I don't even own included.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It says notwithstanding any provision of the law of any state (which means in spite of any provision off the law of any state) except as provided in section B yada, yada, yada, more text.

Now for section B.

“(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—

“(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

Which means you cannot force private people and private businesses to allow concealed carry in their business or property if there are laws that allow them to prohibit carry there.

“(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

Which means that you cannot force carry on government property or parks if they have laws against it.

So in short, the only state laws that cannot be superseded are those above. Magazines, ammo, and the gun would be protected. All AWB laws would be void as long as you have them in legal pistol configurations.

“(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine."

So if you bought a stripped lower here, then went to PA and bought 30 rd magazines and built the pistol, it would be protected with your out of state license. No fixed magazine, nothing.

If you got arrested for it, they would have to compensate you for wrongfully arresting you.


“(d) (1) A person who is deprived of any right, privilege, or immunity secured by this section, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage of any State or any political subdivision thereof, may bring an action in any appropriate court against any other person, including a State or political subdivision thereof, who causes the person to be subject to the deprivation, for damages or other appropriate relief.

“(2) The court shall award a plaintiff prevailing in an action brought under paragraph (1) damages and such other relief as the court deems appropriate, including a reasonable attorney’s fee.

 

[Marine Cpl]

But this isn't going to pass so we are kidding ourselves.

 

[Bob]

And even if it does pass, it'll quickly be struck down by the 9th Circus as a 10th Amendment violation.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And even if it does pass, it'll quickly be struck down by the 9th Circus as a 10th Amendment violation.

What about this?

(c) Severability.—Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, if any provision of this section, or any amendment made by this section, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, this section and amendments made by this section and the application of such provision or amendment to other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.

 

[Bob]

What about this?

(c) Severability.—Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, if any provision of this section, or any amendment made by this section, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, this section and amendments made by this section and the application of such provision or amendment to other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.

Severability won't be an issue if the core provision of the law is struck down. SCOTUS has made it very clear that they favor the rights of the individual states over a constructionist definition of the Second Amendment.

 

[JosERW]

We need the Second Amendment Guarantee Act more than ever now...

 

[Edwardteach72]

And even if it does pass, it'll quickly be struck down by the 9th Circus as a 10th Amendment violation.

How can it be a 10th Amendment violation?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Found this little statement in the constitution meaning it's covered

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Fuck all of this bullshit. They need to enforce the laws on the books.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

All the law that is needed for any of us to own and carry anything in the manner we see fit. To anyone that creates laws to try to destroy out rights, should be called on their oath and processcuted for treason.

 

[Onegunnotenough]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, those of you who knew me from the other forum know I called the safe act exactly right, along with 100% predictions on all of the court cases litigating firearms.. I can tell you this, National Reciprocity will never happen. Its already been decided . Too many Rinos in congress, Ny will never stand for it. I don't think you will see too many pro gun decisions going forward at all. Vote with your feet and move to a free state. That's the only option you have to excercize your 2nd amendment God given right. The NRA is too busy selling raffle tickets to care, They hid behind Tom King here in NY because they knew they had no shot at defeating the safe act. Its a real mess, and like the other posts said,its funny how there always seems to be a mass shooting whenever gun rights issues arise and are ready to move forward. so its getting real easy to predict these horrific mass shootings, they seem to only happen when all eyes are on a vote....Vote with your feet......

 

[Marine Cpl]

It's coming eventually nationally. That's a fact. We will not always hold seats. There will come a time when they hold everything.

 

[JosERW]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, those of you who knew me from the other forum know I called the safe act exactly right, along with 100% predictions on all of the court cases litigating firearms.. I can tell you this, National Reciprocity will never happen. Its already been decided . Too many Rinos in congress, Ny will never stand for it. I don't think you will see too many pro gun decisions going forward at all. Vote with your feet and move to a free state. That's the only option you have to excercize your 2nd amendment God given right. The NRA is too busy selling raffle tickets to care, They hid behind Tom King here in NY because they knew they had no shot at defeating the safe act. Its a real mess, and like the other posts said,its funny how there always seems to be a mass shooting whenever gun rights issues arise and are ready to move forward. so its getting real easy to predict these horrific mass shootings, they seem to only happen when all eyes are on a vote....Vote with your feet......

You realize that one day the unsafe act will be federal law, correct? One day dems will control everything again. Then what?

 

[Magnus]

That explains the surge of “prince Harry marries “black princess” “ on my news feeds yesterday.

 

[Burzum]

With Kolbe we were betrayed not by the Left-wing nuts on the Court, but by Roberts and Alito too busy jerking off to their picture bible whilst ignoring gun rights AGAIN; all those bags of feces care for is cases involving: abortion, establishment law issues, and helping trans-national corporations and large entities screw over consumers.

 

[Defilade]

You realize that one day the unsafe act will be federal law, correct? One day dems will control everything again. Then what?

Well they better change their ways because they have been losing big time. 2018 Midterms will show the pulse of the Country.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Well, HR 38 has passed out of committee on a vote of 19-11. I couldn't watch the entire hearing, so I missed parts. Not sure if Chairman Goodlatte's substitute bill was the one that passed, and what, if any, amendments may have passed either.

So, the question is, now what? Will the House vote on it, and if so, when, or will that dickhead Ryan bottle it up anyway?