Supreme Court strikes down “Vampire Rule” allowing carrying of guns on private property and hotels by default

[Saltwater60]

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Good news, but I’d still like more. We need most of the sensitive areas law in NYS overturned. I get some government buildings, but that’s it.

 

[OwnTheRide]

We need most of the sensitive areas law in NYS overturned. I get some government buildings, but that’s it.

I'd take it further. Any place that bans guns - whether public/government or private - should assume all civil and criminal responsibility for protecting the safety of its occupants.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Here is Mark Smith (the Four Boxes Diner) and his take on the win in the Hawaii “Vampire rule” decision at SCOTUS today (Wilford v Lopez)!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Four+boxes+diner

This should kill this BS law in NY as well as CA, MD, and NJ too.

And here is a link to the published decision:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-1046_nmio.pdf

 

[Saltwater60]

Here is Mark Smith (the Four Boxes Diner) and his take on the win in the Hawaii “Vampire rule” decision at SCOTUS today (Wilford v Lopez)!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Four+boxes+diner

This should kill this BS law in NY as well as CA, MD, NJ too.

And here is a link to the published decision:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-1046_nmio.pdf

Parts of it yes, but at least the one in NYS is much farther.
Apparently there is another lawsuit working its way through the courts on places that serve alcohol and parks. We will see.
I’m glad scotus took this up fairly quickly and shot it down.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Here is a NY Post article on the decision written in Cliff Notes style for those who don’t want to read the whole decision…

Supreme Court overturns ‘vampire’ Hawaii gun law requiring permission to carry in stores, hotels

The high court’s 6-3 decision means people can carry guns onto privately owned property like shopping malls and gas stations, unless the owners specifically say guns are banned at their establishme…

nypost.com

 

[Darth]

Here is a NY Post article on the decision written in Cliff Notes style for those who don’t want to read the whole decision…

Supreme Court overturns ‘vampire’ Hawaii gun law requiring permission to carry in stores, hotels

The high court’s 6-3 decision means people can carry guns onto privately owned property like shopping malls and gas stations, unless the owners specifically say guns are banned at their establishme…

nypost.com

…?

“Lawyers defending the Hawaii law had referenced the Black Codes, post-Civil War segregationist laws that limited the rights of African Americans, to point to a tradition of similarly restrictive gun control measures in American history.”

“ACTUAL systemic racism is a part of our history we’re need to keep around.”-Dems.

Am I reading that right?

 

[Saltwater60]

…?

“Lawyers defending the Hawaii law had referenced the Black Codes, post-Civil War segregationist laws that limited the rights of African Americans, to point to a tradition of similarly restrictive gun control measures in American history.”

“ACTUAL systemic racism is a part of our history we’re need to keep around.”-Dems.

Am I reading that right?

And the reparations is they can have guns at Target. Only if there isn’t a no guns sign at the door.

 

[That_FNG]

Here is Mark Smith (the Four Boxes Diner) and his take on the win in the Hawaii “Vampire rule” decision at SCOTUS today (Wilford v Lopez)!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Four+boxes+diner

This should kill this BS law in NY as well as CA, MD, and NJ too.

And here is a link to the published decision:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-1046_nmio.pdf

The law has already been killed in NYS thanks to Christian vs James which had a final ruling by the 2nd circuit back in may. This now makes it for the rest of the country.

 

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Good news, but I’d still like more. We need most of the sensitive areas law in NYS overturned. I get some government buildings, but that’s it.

The rule should be controlled access areas only.

If you're not searching people entering with at least a metal detector, then it's not really gun free, so you shouldn't be able to disadvantage the law abiding citizens there.

You should also have to assume all liability for the "attractive nuisance" you create with the gun free zone should any violence actually occur.

 

[Saltwater60]

The rule should be controlled access areas only.

If you're not searching people entering with at least a metal detector, then it's not really gun free, so you shouldn't be able to disadvantage the law abiding citizens there.

You should also have to assume all liability for the "attractive nuisance" you create with the gun free zone should any violence actually occur.

I agree. I just don’t think it’s wise to allow citizens to walk into courtrooms or police stations with guns. Places like that. The post office is a joke.

 

[spat]

I agree. I just don’t think it’s wise to allow citizens to walk into courtrooms or police stations with guns. Places like that. The post office is a joke.

There are some places where it's unfortunately necessary, but there must be a strong counter for the government tendency to turn everything into a "special place", as Hochul has demonstrated in NY.

 

[Criticalt]

Parts of it yes, but at least the one in NYS is much farther.
Apparently there is another lawsuit working its way through the courts on places that serve alcohol and parks. We will see.
I’m glad scotus took this up fairly quickly and shot it down.

The alcohol thing is complete bullshit, but its nationwide, even in places like Texas.
Ive never been a big drinker, and haven't had a single sip of alcohol sinse December 30th 2019. I had a few beers and fell asleep before new years.
Not being able to go into most restaurants with a gun is ridiculous. Their restaurant is SAFER with us there. Restaurants that serve alcohol are a hotbed of crime.

 

[Saltwater60]

The alcohol thing is complete bullshit, but its nationwide, even in places like Texas.
Ive never been a big drinker, and haven't had a single sip of alcohol sinse December 30th 2019. I had a few beers and fell asleep before new years.
Not being able to go into most restaurants with a gun is ridiculous. Their restaurant is SAFER with us there. Restaurants that serve alcohol are a hotbed of crime.

I can’t remember the last time I drank either, but it is crappy to know we could lose everything for carrying there while not consuming any alcohol. I have had a sip or two of alcohol in the last 15-20 years. I don’t like it and I don’t want to pay for it.

 

[Criticalt]

I can’t remember the last time I drank either, but it is crappy to know we could lose everything for carrying there while not consuming any alcohol. I have had a sip or two of alcohol in the last 15-20 years. I don’t like it and I don’t want to pay for it.

I was never a social drinker, I really only enjoy the taste of Whisky, and then only in small amounts.
But, for many years I used alcohol for an easy thrill. I would only drink a couple times a month, and ONLY to get shitfaced drunk.
I cannot think of anything worse than an ice cold beer on a hot day, id rather drink hot horse piss!!
When I did drink, I drank it all. Im pretty sure I process alcohol different than most people. I could easily drink a 30 pack of Busch along with a few shots on a day hanging out with friends.
My wife bought me a bottle of Scotch to celebrate moving into our new house. I drank the entire bottle in an hour...then drank beer for the rest of the day.
We used to have people out to our house a lot. They would usually leave beers, or bottles behind. The next time they came they did the same thing. Over time we would end up with various bottles, beers, and canned alcohol drinks.
Every couple of months I'd do a "cleanup" day. I'd sit outback, listen to music, and drink 20-30 various beverages.
I honestly just lost the urge.
This doesn't mean I wont drink again, but the time would have to be right. Im not at all against drinking, and still probably like the buzz.

 

[Saltwater60]

I was never a social drinker, I really only enjoy the taste of Whisky, and then only in small amounts.
But, for many years I used alcohol for an easy thrill. I would only drink a couple times a month, and ONLY to get shitfaced drunk.
I cannot think of anything worse than an ice cold beer on a hot day, id rather drink hot horse piss!!
When I did drink, I drank it all. Im pretty sure I process alcohol different than most people. I could easily drink a 30 pack of Busch along with a few shots on a day hanging out with friends.
My wife bought me a bottle of Scotch to celebrate moving into our new house. I drank the entire bottle in an hour...then drank beer for the rest of the day.
We used to have people out to our house a lot. They would usually leave beers, or bottles behind. The next time they came they did the same thing. Over time we would end up with various bottles, beers, and canned alcohol drinks.
Every couple of months I'd do a "cleanup" day. I'd sit outback, listen to music, and drink 20-30 various beverages.
I honestly just lost the urge.
This doesn't mean I wont drink again, but the time would have to be right. Im not at all against drinking, and still probably like the buzz.

That’s funny. I always thought to myself I don’t know how people can drink that much. Not that much alcohol, but that much fluid alone. I’d never leave the pisser. It would be one drink in and pissing the same time.

 

[Grimscale]

I agree. I just don’t think it’s wise to allow citizens to walk into courtrooms or police stations with guns. Places like that. The post office is a joke.

Why not?
Law-abiding citizens aren't the ones creating the violence.
And there are already guns in those places.

 

[Grimscale]

Im pretty sure I process alcohol different than most people.

I've said the same thing.
I've tried to get drunk. Alcohol doesn't do anything to me. No buzz, no drunk, no hangover.
I drink a little for the taste and that's it.
I tend not to drink much of anything when I'm out only so I don't end up with a DUI if I end up creaming Bambi (and not in the good way!) on the highway.
Preventing me from having the tools to defend myself when I'm out with friends at a bar is bullshit.

 

[Saltwater60]

Why not?
Law-abiding citizens aren't the ones creating the violence.
And there are already guns in those places.

There are a lot of non-law abiding citizens that walk into court. Also upset family members. I don’t think killing a murderer or rapist should be illegal, but it is. I’d hate to see good family remembers get more punishment than the scum that committed the crime.

 

[Criticalt]

I've said the same thing.
I've tried to get drunk. Alcohol doesn't do anything to me. No buzz, no drunk, no hangover.
I drink a little for the taste and that's it.
I tend not to drink much of anything when I'm out only so I don't end up with a DUI if I end up creaming Bambi (and not in the good way!) on the highway.
Preventing me from having the tools to defend myself when I'm out with friends at a bar is bullshit.

Ohhh, I get drunk!!
I just don't seem to get pass out drunk. I honestly drink until its just not fun anymore. I go from feeling great, to feeling kinda sick. Ive never puked from alcohol, but ive got a headache and sweats from WAY too much booze.
Back when I was younger it was common for people to go out after 10pm so they didnt get too drunk before 2am and the after parties.
My friend Dilly and I would start at "The Swamp" dive bar in Celoron NY at around noon.
After 2am people would hide their beer when we showed up at an after party. Thats an absolutely true story. We would see people sigh when we walked in.

 

[Criticalt]

That’s funny. I always thought to myself I don’t know how people can drink that much. Not that much alcohol, but that much fluid alone. I’d never leave the pisser. It would be one drink in and pissing the same time.

You ain't kidding!

 

[dean3690]

A SCOTUS decision in hand is worth much more than the MOU from NYS that we have been "blessed" with. Another brick in the wall. Keep 'em coming.