Taiwanese Foreign Minister warns his country is preparing for war with China, asks Australia for help

[Mosinitis]

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler - the history of banks who funded Nazis

Wall Street's funding of the Nazis. Professor Antony Sutton In his book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, provides a documented account of the role of GE

www.bastabalkana.com

 

[spat]

Hitlers rise to power was supported by American industrialists and bankers. This is well documented. Start with that.

You think those guys wouldn't have existed without the US ?

You think they wouldn't have done the same thing if they were still British subjects instead ?

 

[Grimscale]

I don't follow the logic. The countries we invaded to impose our values were looking for someone to invade them?

What countries did we invade?
Did we do so totally unprovoked?

 

[Mosinitis]

You think those guys wouldn't have existed without the US ?

You think they wouldn't have done the same thing if they were still British subjects instead ?

They had the power of U.S. industrial and banking systems. Other bad players, real or hypothetical, is not a justification for being a bad player.

 

[Celt]

I don't follow the logic. The countries we invaded to impose our values were looking for someone to invade them?

Seems like you're being a little intellectually dishonest with that response.

Which countries did we invade where there werent attrocities against civilians being carried out, genocide, or as a response to an attack against us first?


Would you agree that in regards to our ALLIES around the world that if we werent providing them economic and military support that they wouldnt look to other major world powers for the same?

 

[spat]

They had the power of U.S. industrial and banking systems. Other bad players, real or hypothetical, is not a justification for being a bad player.

LoL.

Your whole argument is that the US is terrible.

My argument is literally that it is better than everyone else.

So, everyone else being worse if we didn't exist is precisely the point.


But, sure, Robber Barons sucked. You know who was worse ? The East India Company.

If you think the world would be better off with more East India's and fewer Rockafellers, there's no helping you.

 

[tirwin1]

Bingo!

When I took a course in international relations in college, the takeaway message seemed to be "Might makes right." Strength, by a country that desires peace, promotes peace. Weakness by a country that desires peace results in strength exerted by opposing nations that want peace on their hostile terms.

I call it the canine theory of international relations, based on the old joke:

Q: Why does a dog lick his balls?
A: Because he can.

This explains 99% of the relations between countries. Why did the chinese invade tibet and why do they threaten taiwan? Because they can.

 

[Mosinitis]

LoL.

Your whole argument is that the US is terrible.

My argument is literally that it is better than everyone else.

So, everyone else being worse if we didn't exist is precisely the point.


But, sure, Robber Barons sucked. You know who was worse ? The East India Company.

If you think the world would be better off with more East India's and fewer Rockafellers, there's no helping you.

Not terrible, just full of shit. Look at the mentality of people in this thread. Education replaced by indoctrination. It's scary.

 

[Mosinitis]

Seems like you're being a little intellectually dishonest with that response.

Which countries did we invade where there werent attrocities against civilians being carried out, genocide, or as a response to an attack against us first?


Would you agree that in regards to our ALLIES around the world that if we werent providing them economic and military support that they wouldnt look to other major world powers for the same?

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Serbia, Panama, Grenada, Viet Nam, Spanish-American War. Our propaganda behind these acts of aggression was discredited as baseless, made up lies or gross exaggerations.

The second part of your post is correct. We are buying friends and their problems become our problems. What's even worse, some of these friends turn out to be scum of the earth.

 

[spat]

Not terrible, just full of shit. Look at the mentality of people in this thread. Education replaced by indoctrination. It's scary.

Maybe, but considerably less shit than everyone else.

Look, if you put the US atrocities in perspective with the rest of the world, we're saints.

What's the worst things we've done ?

Well, everyone else did those too, and they did a lot worse.

When we were doing the worst stuff we've ever done, most of the rest of the world still considered the peasants disposable propery of the nobility.


So, if you judge the US actions against the standards of the time they occurred in, we were very good.

Obviously if you try to hold the world of 200 years ago to a modern standard, they're all terrible.

 

[Mosinitis]

Maybe, but considerably less shit than everyone else.

Look, if you put the US atrocities in perspective with the rest of the world, we're saints.

What's the worst things we've done ?

Well, everyone else did those too, and they did a lot worse.

When we were doing the worst stuff we've ever done, most of the rest of the world still considered the peasants disposable propery of the nobility.


So, if you judge the US actions against the standards of the time they occurred in, we were very good.

Obviously if you try to hold the world of 200 years ago to a modern standard, they're all terrible.

Modern era, post-WWII. More people were killed in our wars then in wars of any other country.

 

[tirwin1]

Modern era, post-WWII. More people were killed in our wars then in wars of any other country.

Like the Rwandan civil war that resulted in genocide? Waiting for you to blame that on the US in 3, 2,1.....

 

[Mosinitis]

Like the Rwandan civil war that resulted in genocide? Waiting for you to blame that on the US in 3, 2,1.....

That number is less.

 

[spat]

Modern era, post-WWII. More people were killed in our wars then in wars of any other country.

Well, we did tend to get involved in every conflict on the planet since then.

I'm not so sure it's fair to call them "our" wars.

Was Gulf war 1 a "US" war ? Half the countries on the planet participated. Was it unjustified ?


Also, it for the purpose of this discussion, the thing that matters isn't how many died in "our" wars, but how many would have died in wars that our mere existence prevented.


Just like the people killed by police pales in comparison to how many would be killed if they weren't around.


Look at the alternatives to a US led world.

Stalinist Russia ? China ? Each of them have killed more people than the Nazi's, by an order of magnitude.

The world is an incredibly harsh and brutal place. You have had the privilege to live during the Pax Americana, don't mistake that for the baseline.

The baseline is more Attila the Hun and Vlad Tepes than Robert McNamara.

 

[Mosinitis]

Stalinist Russia ? China ? Each of them have killed more people than the Nazi's, by an order of magnitude.

False and discredited propaganda.

 

[spat]

False and discredited propaganda.

LOL, ok, Stalin and Mao were great leaders who cared deeply about their people. Sure.

What color is the sky in your world ?

 

[Mosinitis]

LOL, ok, Stalin and Mao were great leaders who cared deeply about their people. Sure.

What color is the sky in your world ?

No, no, no. Stalin murdered half of the Soviet citizenry and didn't do anything good. They were mysteriously reproducing just before every census to cover up his genocide.

 

[livingston]

I'd like to think we could steer clear.

interesting

 

[tirwin1]

No, no, no. Stalin murdered half of the Soviet citizenry and didn't do anything good. They were mysteriously reproducing just before every census to cover up his genocide.

The Soviet Census Debacle of 1937

www.amusingplanet.com

Except the census results weren't to his liking. So he had the census workers killed lol.

 

[Mosinitis]

In close to 30 years of Stalin's rule there were only 600,000 death sentences carried out. That includes criminals, nazi colaborators guilty of war crimes and corrupt officials. Subsequent review by Chruschev appointed commission found only 5% of these cases didn't have sufficient evidence of guilt.

70% of Russian people today have positive opinion of Stalin, higher then of any other Soviet leader. I guess Russian people know less about their history then unbiased Westerners.

The above article actually proves my point. 7 million population growth. Must have been quite a baby boom to compensate for the countless victims.

 

[spat]

No, no, no. Stalin murdered half of the Soviet citizenry and didn't do anything good. They were mysteriously reproducing just before every census to cover up his genocide.

Sure, you can trust a soviet census.

There's no way they cooked any numbers there.

It's not like they would ever doctor records that made them look bad.

And Stalin just loved taking photographs with odd gaps in them.

 

[tgenec86]

Distance from China to Taiwan: 100 miles.
Distance from Taiwan to the USA: 7,619 miles.

So even with a Carrier Group operating in Theater, just exactly what is the U.S. Military going to do in the face of a full scale invasion? China could have 750,000 troops on the ground in days. Kind of makes this whole "who is better" argument pointless. Add in the fact that Biden's puppet masters would not allow a counter attack regardless and it becomes irrelevant. Further - Projection Of Power relies on the other Nations not having the technology, force, and willpower to withstand a full on assault. China is on the verge of developing hypersonic weapons and what their standard armament lacks in advances is still made up by numbers. They are beyond not afraid, they have become confrontational. And this is on their front doorstep. What it the actual reality of a full scale defensive effort on our part being sustainable or even possible when our Dear Leaders have crippled our domestic oil production and global supply lines are falling apart? (funny - it's like this was all planned)

Just nuke 'em? Funny - we've kind of determined what impact that would have. If you survive your homesteader skills better be on point.

 

[livingston]

Distance from China to Taiwan: 100 miles.
Distance from Taiwan to the USA: 7,619 miles.

So even with a Carrier Group operating in Theater, just exactly what is the U.S. Military going to do in the face of a full scale invasion? China could have 750,000 troops on the ground in days. Kind of makes this whole "who is better" argument pointless. Add in the fact that Biden's puppet masters would not allow a counter attack regardless and it becomes irrelevant. Further - Projection Of Power relies on the other Nations not having the technology, force, and willpower to withstand a full on assault. China is on the verge of developing hypersonic weapons and what their standard armament lacks in advances is still made up by numbers. They are beyond not afraid, they have become confrontational. And this is on their front doorstep. What it the actual reality of a full scale defensive effort on our part being sustainable or even possible when our Dear Leaders have crippled our domestic oil production and global supply lines are falling apart? (funny - it's like this was all planned)

Just nuke 'em? Funny - we've kind of determined what impact that would have. If you survive your homesteader skills better be on point.

Shipping lanes will be nonexistent if a prolonged war breaks out. .. ships will never get any insurance for one thing.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

We wouldn't be sending assets soley from the us mainland. We have assets in Japan, Australia, philippines. We have bases all over the planet. If our military starts concentrating forces in the region (especially naval and airforce), we would likely be able to inflict heavy damage to their invasion force before it made landfall.

 

[tirwin1]

In close to 30 years of Stalin's rule there were only 600,000 death sentences carried out. That includes criminals, nazi colaborators guilty of war crimes and corrupt officials. Subsequent review by Chruschev appointed commission found only 5% of these cases didn't have sufficient evidence of guilt.

70% of Russian people today have positive opinion of Stalin, higher then of any other Soviet leader. I guess Russian people know less about their history then unbiased Westerners.

The above article actually proves my point. 7 million population growth. Must have been quite a baby boom to compensate for the countless victims.

Um...no. if you read it you would see the 7 million was much lower than expected.

As for the "only 600,000" claim -
a) you're off by quite a bit
b) even at that number is that something to be proud of?

 

[spat]

In close to 30 years of Stalin's rule there were only 600,000 death sentences carried out. That includes criminals, nazi colaborators guilty of war crimes and corrupt officials. Subsequent review by Chruschev appointed commission found only 5% of these cases didn't have sufficient evidence of guilt.

70% of Russian people today have positive opinion of Stalin, higher then of any other Soviet leader. I guess Russian people know less about their history then unbiased Westerners.

The above article actually proves my point. 7 million population growth. Must have been quite a baby boom to compensate for the countless victims.

600,000 actual death sentences, and several million people just randomly dropped dead, while being forced to work in brutal conditions and not being fed. Must have been early covid I guess.

 

[Mosinitis]

600,000 actual death sentences, and several million people just randomly dropped dead, while being forced to work in brutal conditions and not being fed. Must have been early covid I guess.

According to movies and literature of the 90's yes. In reality most survived and were rehabilitated. A lot of criminals got out on amnesty as well and were a huge problem. Factoring in average life expectancy at the time and length of sentences it wasn't as bad as was dramatized in post-Soviet smuta. My great uncle Noam was career military officer. Commanded Red Army cavalry unit during the civil war. He was arrested during the Great Purge and spent close to 20 years in the camps, was rehabilitated and returned home, lived to an old age. His wife waited all these years. Ironically, if that didn't happen, he would have been almost certainly killed in the first few months of the war like his siblings. Any Russian family can compare how many of their ancestors died during purges (in most cases none) and how many died during Hitler's invasion. Died at the front or while Geo-plan OST was implemented. To equate Stalin to Hitler is laughable. To ignore the realities of the time period and blame everything on Stalin is stupid.

 

[Mosinitis]

Um...no. if you read it you would see the 7 million was much lower than expected.

As for the "only 600,000" claim -
a) you're off by quite a bit
b) even at that number is that something to be proud of?

The numbers didn't match euphoria in the Stalin's speech, but the fact there was a 7 million population growth, discredits tenths of millions killed bullshit.

 

[spat]

To equate Stalin to Hitler is laughable.

Yea, Stalin was far worse. The only one to give him a run for his money was chairman Mao.

Hitler and Pol Pot and the rest of that crew were second string compared to Stalin and Mao.


The fact that you bring up your great uncle who *only* spent 20 years in a labor camp as evidence that Stalin wasn't a brutal megalomaniacal tyrant is what's laughable.

"He spent a significant percentage of his adult life in a labor camp because of Stalin's paranoia, but he didn't actually die there, so Stalin isn't that bad". Really ?

 

[Grimscale]

Factoring in average life expectancy at the time and length of sentences it wasn't as bad

Whew!

Good to know it's not that bad to be stuck in labor camps until your natural lifespan runs out. /sarcasm

I can not believe someone is in here trying to not only defend, but praise, murderous dictators from history. This is a worse mindfuck than what is being barfed out of the CDC.