Taiwanese Foreign Minister warns his country is preparing for war with China, asks Australia for help

[Mosinitis]

Yea, Stalin was far worse. The only one to give him a run for his money was chairman Mao.

Hitler and Pol Pot and the rest of that crew were second string compared to Stalin and Mao.


The fact that you bring up your great uncle who *only* spent 20 years in a labor camp as evidence that Stalin wasn't a brutal megalomaniacal tyrant is what's laughable.

"He spent a significant percentage of his adult life in a labor camp because of Stalin's paranoia, but he didn't actually die there, so Stalin isn't that bad". Really ?

What happened during Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, effected all of the Soviet society, not to mention people in other countries.
What happened during purges effected a small fraction of Soviet society. Blaming it all on Stalin is like blaming all of McCarthyism on Harry Truman.
As time went on and Western Powers succeeded in destroying the Soviet Union from within then proceeded trying to destroy Russian Federation, it showed that Stalin's fears and foreign policy were well justified and that's why there is a boost in popularity.

 

[Mosinitis]

Whew!

Good to know it's not that bad to be stuck in labor camps until your natural lifespan runs out. /sarcasm

I can not believe someone is in here trying to not only defend, but praise, murderous dictators from history. This is a worse mindfuck than what is being barfed out of the CDC.

Your small indoctrinated mind and tunnel vision can not handle all of the nuances of world history and events. As propaganda spoon fed to you is discredited, it drives you nuts. TOUGH SHIT.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

What happened during Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, effected all of the Soviet society, not to mention people in other countries.
What happened during purges effected a small fraction of Soviet society. Blaming it all on Stalin is like blaming all of McCarthyism on Harry Truman.
As time went on and Western Powers succeeded in destroying the Soviet Union then proceeded trying to destroy Russian Federation, it showed that Stalin's fears and foreign policy were well justified and that's why there is a boost in popularity.

What about Stalin trying to starve Ukraine to death in genocide by starvation until they submitted to his will?

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine | HISTORY

Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million d...

www.history.com

 

[livingston]

According to movies and literature of the 90's yes. In reality most survived and were rehabilitated. A lot of criminals got out on amnesty as well and were a huge problem. Factoring in average life expectancy at the time and length of sentences it wasn't as bad as was dramatized in post-Soviet smuta. My great uncle Noam was career military officer. Commanded Red Army cavalry unit during the civil war. He was arrested during the Great Purge and spent close to 20 years in the camps, was rehabilitated and returned home, lived to an old age. His wife waited all these years. Ironically, if that didn't happen, he would have been almost certainly killed in the first few months of the war like his siblings. Any Russian family can compare how many of their ancestors died during purges (in most cases none) and how many died during Hitler's invasion. Died at the front or while Geo-plan OST was implemented. To equate Stalin to Hitler is laughable. To ignore the realities of the time period and blame everything on Stalin is stupid.

The Kolyma camps were some of the most brutal in the entire Gulag system. About 120000 - 130000 prisoners are estimated to have died in Kolyma alone. Magadan is the capital of Kolyma, becoming the focal point of regional development when the first Soviet prisoners arrived in 1932.

Kolyma in the shadow of time: The most frightening Gulag camps today

Kolyma is a region located in the Russian Far East, known for its Gulag labour camps and gold mining, both of which have been extensively documented...

www.rbth.com

I have read that half of the new prisoners did not last 6 months in this camp.

 

[Mosinitis]

What about Stalin trying to starve Ukraine to death in genocide by starvation until they submitted to his will?

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine | HISTORY

Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million d...

www.history.com

This myth is false on its face, since the famines effected many parts of the Soviet Union, not just Ukraine. There is a good expose of how this tragedy was exploited for propaganda.

Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place

Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.

sputniknews.com

 

[Grimscale]

Your small indoctrinated mind and tunnel vision can not handle all of the nuances of world history and events. As propaganda spoon fed to you is discredited, it drives you nuts. TOUGH SHIT.

Not sure what world you are living in, but I think you should ask them to increase your meds. I could say you are 100% wrong, but you'll just throw out some other incorrect definitive statement about someone whom you know absolutely nothing about and pat yourself on the back and claim victory.

Like our democrat "leaders" you appear to be projecting your own failings on others, and cap it off with a complete lack of concern, respect, or even just basic consideration for others. A perfect example being that you consider the deaths of millions of innocent people a "nuance".
You spin things more than a Sufi dancer.

And when called on it you resort to insults and innuendos.

I would call your attempts to defend Mao, Stalin, etc., as laughable if it didn't have the feeling of a blossoming sociopath in the making.

But, hey... it's your life.

 

[Mosinitis]

The Kolyma camps were some of the most brutal in the entire Gulag system. About 120000 - 130000 prisoners are estimated to have died in Kolyma alone. Magadan is the capital of Kolyma, becoming the focal point of regional development when the first Soviet prisoners arrived in 1932.

Kolyma in the shadow of time: The most frightening Gulag camps today

Kolyma is a region located in the Russian Far East, known for its Gulag labour camps and gold mining, both of which have been extensively documented...

www.rbth.com

I have read that half of the new prisoners did not last 6 months in this camp.

Kolyma is tough, so are lots of territory in Russia, but there were always people who lived there and not just prisoners. The footage at around 2:00 shows Red Army POW's captured by the Germans. So much for the integrity of this video.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This myth is false on its face, since the famines effected many parts of the Soviet Union, not just Ukraine. There is a good expose of how this tragedy was exploited for propaganda.

Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place

Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.

sputniknews.com

Well if sputniknews said it didn't happen....

Holodomor denial - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People claim the Holocaust didn't happen too.

 

[Mosinitis]

Not sure what world you are living in, but I think you should ask them to increase your meds. I could say you are 100% wrong, but you'll just throw out some other incorrect definitive statement about someone whom you know absolutely nothing about and pat yourself on the back and claim victory.

Like our democrat "leaders" you appear to be projecting your own failings on others, and cap it off with a complete lack of concern, respect, or even just basic consideration for others. A perfect example being that you consider the deaths of millions of innocent people a "nuance".
You spin things more than a Sufi dancer.

And when called on it you resort to insults and innuendos.

I would call your attempts to defend Mao, Stalin, etc., as laughable if it didn't have the feeling of a blossoming sociopath in the making.

But, hey... it's your life.

You removed yourself from the pool of rational people, when you implied all of our wars were justified. Do you have any concern for people killed in them? More than a million just in Viet Nam. I made specific points, which you can't address. You can only resort to a personal attack. Forum rules prevent me from saying what I think about self righteous and indoctrinated people like you.
Our effort to destroy Soviet Union was a well publicized National Policy. To deny this policy took place, succeeded and had consequences borders on mental illness.

 

[Mosinitis]

Well if sputniknews said it didn't happen....

Holodomor denial - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People claim the Holocaust didn't happen too.

It's well known that Soviets were hiding their failures, but how does that prove they created these failures on purpose. It just doesn't make any sense.
You bring up Holocaust, can you show any evidence that Stalin or any other Soviet leader had negative views or attitudes towards Ukrainian people, the second largest ethnic group in the country.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It's well known that Soviets were hiding their failures, but how does that prove they created these failures on purpose. It just doesn't make any sense.
You bring up Holocaust, can you show any evidence that Stalin or any other Soviet leader had negative views or attitudes towards Ukrainian people, the second largest ethnic group in the country.

Let's just agree to disagree...



Back on topic...


How about that whole Taiwan thing?

 

[Mosinitis]

Let's just agree to disagree...



Back on topic...


How about that whole Taiwan thing?

China PRC and ROC will reunite at some point. I just don't see the smaller Taiwan taking over the mainland China. As time goes by ideological divide will fade away.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

China PRC and ROC will reunite at some point. I just don't see the smaller Taiwan taking over the mainland China. As time goes by ideological divide will fade away.

Taiwan has a 0.0% chance at taking over mainland CCP.

the absolute best case scenario which is becoming increasingly unlikely is to merely maintain status quo

 

[FrankenCub]

What do you think a world without the US would look like ?

You're replying to a communist sympathizer, so...

 

[Mosinitis]

You're replying to a communist sympathizer, so...

Sorry for damaging one little prop in this idiotic debate between two camps of equaly indoctrinated fools. Word history is more important then comical purse fight of our domestic politics. Make belief communists against make belief nazis.

 

[spat]

Sorry for damaging one little prop in this idiotic debate between two camps of equaly indoctrinated fools. Word history is more important then comical purse fight of our domestic politics. Make belief communists against make belief nazis.

There is one thoroughly indoctrinated patsy in this conversation, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong about their identity.

 

[Grimscale]

You removed yourself from the pool of rational people, when you implied all of our wars were justified.

Please refresh my memory as to when/where I did that.

You can only resort to a personal attack.

Um... I believe I already accused you of doing that.

"I know you are but what am I" is not a valid argument.

Forum rules prevent me from saying what I think about self righteous and indoctrinated people like you.

Yup.... sounds like a personal attack.

borders on mental illness.

Wow... twice in the same post. That's almost a record.


Since you have failed to demonstrate any actual credibility, and frequently reference suspect websites as potential "evidence", I'm going to have to call "bullshit" on your posts.

But please, keep accusing others of your misdeeds. It's mildly entertaining, at least.

 

[Bigfoot]

Please refresh my memory as to when/where I did that.



Um... I believe I already accused you of doing that.

"I know you are but what am I" is not a valid argument.



Yup.... sounds like a personal attack.



Wow... twice in the same post. That's almost a record.


Since you have failed to demonstrate any actual credibility, and frequently reference suspect websites as potential "evidence", I'm going to have to call "bullshit" on your posts.

But please, keep accusing others of your misdeeds. It's mildly entertaining, at least.

What he does is called "projection."
Leftists in particular are well known for it.

If he would stay out of this thread maybe it can get back on topic.

 

[Bigfoot]

Let's just agree to disagree...



Back on topic...


How about that whole Taiwan thing?

I'll second that.

 

[Bigfoot]

Fuck China... Fuck Communists.

If neither one existed the people of the world would be better off for it.

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Mosinitis]

Grimscale provides zero facts or information. He only attacks the message and the messanger. Typical hot air politics debater. His pinhead cheerleader has never posted anything worth reading.
If anyone needs more refferences or information on anything I posted, I will provide it.

 

[Bigfoot]

 

[Bigfoot]

Grimscale provides zero facts or information. He only attacks the message and the messanger. Typical hot air politics debater. His pinhead cheerleader has never posted anything worth reading.
If anyone needs more refferences or information on anything I posted, I will provide it.

IDK, just incase you are referring to myself as the pinhead cheerleader.
"That has never posted anything worth reading."

My "messages" to "reaction score" ratio is 7,561 messages to 18,112 reactions.
Your ratio is 5,573 to 5,061. You are actually in the negative.

So it seems to me that you are the one that never posts anything worth reading.





(IDK if you were referring to me as the pinhead cheerleader or not as you don't use usernames.)
Or ever stay on topic for that matter.

So I got to ask. Who are you calling a pinhead cheerleader?
If you used usernames instead of insults it would avoid the confusion.

 

[Mosinitis]

IDK, just incase you are referring to myself as the pinhead cheerleader.
"That has never posted anything worth reading."

My "messages" to "reaction score" ratio is 7,561 messages to 18,112 reactions.
Your ratio is 5,573 to 5,061. You are actually in the negative.

So it seems to me that you are the one that never posts anything worth reading.





(IDK if you were referring to me as the pinhead cheerleader or not as you don't use usernames.)
Or ever stay on topic for that matter.

So I got to ask. Who are you calling a pinhead cheerleader?
If you used usernames instead of insults it would avoid the confusion.

Didn't you post, you dress up in ape suit and run around your yard to draw attention or entertain your neighbors?

 

[dean3690]

Taiwan should train and arm civilians immediately. A rife behind every tree, bush and window.

 

[Bigfoot]

Didn't you post, you dress up in ape suit and run around your yard to draw attention or entertain your neighbors?

To entertain my neighbors. I ran through their back yard in my Bigfoot costume.
They are awesome people we're friends with them.

Is that supposed to be a dig or something? If that's all you got that's pretty weak dude... LOL

Do you want to talk about the topic at hand?
Or are you going to keep shitting all over this thread?

You can have the last word if you choose to do so.
For myself. I'm done here.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Taiwan should train and arm civilians immediately. A rife behind every tree, bush and window.

They would use it too. They want freedom and I think would fight to the death for it given the alternative

 

[Grimscale]

Grimscale provides zero facts or information. He only attacks the message and the messanger. Typical hot air politics debater. His pinhead cheerleader has never posted anything worth reading.
If anyone needs more refferences or information on anything I posted, I will provide it.

Again... accusing others of what you have done.

You have yet to provide a single thing that was asked of you in all of the blather you've posted into this thread.


Oh... and you misspelled "messenger" and "references".

 

[spat]

Again... accusing others of what you have done.

You have yet to provide a single thing that was asked of you in all of the blather you've posted into this thread.


Oh... and you misspelled "messenger" and "references".

No matter how much propaganda they cite, the left can never answer one simple question.

If collectivism is so much better, why do communists have to build walls to keep people in, and capitalists have to build them to keep people out.

Nobody was risking their lives on a hot air balloon built from shower curtains to escape West to East Berlin.

Nobody crosses open ocean in a boat made from an old Studebaker to escape from Florida to Cuba.

In the handful of examples of people who did make that trip, the capitalist answer was usually "good riddance".

The communists knew if they let people make their own mind up, they wouldn't have enough productive citizens left to sustain an economy.