PTammo
.38 Special
How do you fight an AG like her? Voting probably won't work since New york city is so deep blue
Target Sports USA
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Voting won't work because it's an illusion.
spat
.950 JDJ
First step?
You get all the retailers who were threatened to band together and sue the shit out of NYS in federal court for restraint of trade, extortion, deprivation of rights and anything else you can think of.
And you don't sue to get an injunction to make them stop. You sue for millions in *damages* for the harm they have caused.
You make it a great way to get rich. We want government to be scared shitless that they anything they do *might* be construed as infringing. When FUKH asks her AG to make a threatening phone call, we want his answer to be "OMG, no, we'll end up owing them $100M if I say that"....
FUCK NY...
Soon, the Liberal Tree Hugging Illegal Immigrant Coddling Leftist will be all left to themselves and all this shit they've made their utopia look like, will be theirs to eat and like it!
Some of us will be hightailing it to a Constitutional State that respects it's citizens!
The fight is out of me, let alone proclamations about what I'd do, my little battles that trump every hurdle the State puts in your way in order to obfuscate your ability to exercise your 2A Right... Been there, done that... Bottom line is I will never spend another $0.00 red cent on AMMO in this state that would give $ back to it. Won't buy another Firearm here either. I'm going to take my $$$, my Vote, My life and get the fuck out of here ASAP! I'm sorry for those, including some of my family who cannot do the same thing. I understand the roots and jobs/careers, etc. But I'm out! I made my sacrifices to this State, never thought I'd live anywhere else, but you know what, the Grass is Greener on the other side of the fence sometimes! Wait until this state isn't getting anymore Fed Handouts... It's going to get real bad, real fast! Ammo sales will be the last of their worries I assure you.
That aside, I agree, if you haven't been paying attention since the UN-Safe Act, well, you're on your own, no use crying over spilt milk now.
Soon, the Liberal Tree Hugging Illegal Immigrant Coddling Leftist will be all left to themselves and all this shit they've made their utopia look like, will be theirs to eat and like it!
Some of us will be hightailing it to a Constitutional State that respects it's citizens!
The fight is out of me, let alone proclamations about what I'd do, my little battles that trump every hurdle the State puts in your way in order to obfuscate your ability to exercise your 2A Right... Been there, done that... Bottom line is I will never spend another $0.00 red cent on AMMO in this state that would give $ back to it. Won't buy another Firearm here either. I'm going to take my $$$, my Vote, My life and get the fuck out of here ASAP! I'm sorry for those, including some of my family who cannot do the same thing. I understand the roots and jobs/careers, etc. But I'm out! I made my sacrifices to this State, never thought I'd live anywhere else, but you know what, the Grass is Greener on the other side of the fence sometimes! Wait until this state isn't getting anymore Fed Handouts... It's going to get real bad, real fast! Ammo sales will be the last of their worries I assure you.
That aside, I agree, if you haven't been paying attention since the UN-Safe Act, well, you're on your own, no use crying over spilt milk now.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
You assume honest judges and juries who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid. Ferfal's book is becoming a dangerous reality.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
and all these companies have lawyers on retainer paying them anyways .. use them ..
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Not exactly how retainers work, but I get your point.
well what ever its call .. i see it
NYS passed a law
TSUSA calls there lawyer .. can or cant we keep selling ..
lawyer calls back .. may need to stop ..
where is the TSUSA .. since i just paid for that info ...
how can we fuck over NYS
spat
.950 JDJ
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
is it a google issue ??
PTammo
.38 Special
As a retailer myself, I would get behind the effort. However, TSUSA is one of my biggest competitors, idk if they would be happy about working with me on something like this. What do u think?
Why do these have to be mutually exclusive?
Sue for injunction AND sue the crap out of them for damages.
I've always said "if you have to flee your home to keep your rights....". I understand you position, however. It's hard to fight when there is no support, and no end in sight.
Sadly, I'm one of those who will most likely never be able to leave. Between family and finances, I'm stuck.
They can either work with their competitor to re-open an illegally closed market and hope for part of the proceeds, or they can sit on their lawyers (laurels?) and get 0%. If they were smart, they'd band together with others to fight this tyranny.
It's not just the AG.
You have to fight each and every corrupt member of the NYS Legislature, and likely their bought-and-paid-for judges.
You can't vote 'em out.
They won't go willingly.
Maybe utilize the protest mechanisms so frequently advocated for by certain Federal-level Democrats? those were "mostly peaceful", right?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Depends how much money they will lose. I’ll bet they will lose more than you will so they would likely work with you. Also I’m guessing shotgun ammo is not there big seller.
spat
.950 JDJ
I think it is a job for an industry group like the NSSF that represents *all* the competing retailers.
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
Just ordered my first case through an ffl instead of my doorstep. I text my local ffl for an okay and he he replied "absolutely "
GTN
.308 Win
Are they charging you a fee?
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
No idea, I didn't bother to ask him. He only charges me $20 on gun transfers so I'm not worried
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
Target Sports does warn the buyer of a return shipping and restocking fee should your dealer refuse the package drop.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
For .50 browning shooters just noticed the lake City 100rd cans of m33/m17 just went from $299
To $360.
Rats..
To $360.
Rats..
thegatman
.308 Win
Just came back from a local gun show. Had to sign for 2 boxes of .410.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Did you have to show ID with that signature?
PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
So what is the process right now when you go to your dealer or a store that sells ammo? Do you have to show them your ID and if so, what do they record?
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
It depends on the individual store. Some want name, address, d.o.b., occupation, and a list of each caliber of ammo you’re buying, with quantity, mfg and lot number if applicable. My favorite shops don’t do this. Some places demand photo ID, which is just silliness.
Next? Blood Sample? unreal!
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Like I said, my favorite shops don’t do anything except ring up my cash sale and say “Thank you, have a nice day!”
PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
So when they do ask for this info, where does this info go?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Far as i know it just goes into a paper note book ...
then when the damn state gets there PC's working .. who knows what will happen .
LOL
then when the damn state gets there PC's working .. who knows what will happen .
LOL
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
The FFL is supposed to retain this info on site because the electronic system that the NYS gov legislated does not exist yet. The FFL’s record keeping is supposed to be some form of record approved by NYS, but it’s largely undefined and overly vague. So most places are using a clipboard and a sheet of paper.
Ammunition Registration
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They’ll start slowly at first. Probably with a urine test and work up from there.
FUKH