Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I think they are slow walking it as much as they think they can get away with it . If 3/20 is the hearing date, I wouldn’t expect the opinion/decision until late summer.
Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
They aren’t going to send it back down unless they can give new instructions to the judge in how the decision is to be made—they will get bitch slapped if they do that. They are more likely to attempt to tailor the decision to keep as much stuff as they can and pass SCOTUS muster— they don’t want to have all gun control struck down. They want to keep as many sensitive places as they can or at least explain to NYS how to make a gun control law that might stand up.
What do they care? It's not like anything will happen to them.
When was the last time the S.C. said "you suck" and had a lower court fired?
They'll send it down just like the 9th is doing, and tell the district judge to "follow the Bruen decision" even though he already did, and demand that the district court make an intensive investigation, long wait times while "qualified historians are located for the State", and whatever other delay tactics they think they can manage.
And even if the lower court sends it right back up to them, they'll still delay, like they are delaying right now.
It's time to bypass all that bullshit and ask the S.C. to step in again, citing the delay tactics being exhibited here and around the country. once the S.C. says "that law is crap" we can completely ignore the 2nd.
Not being a dick, but please tell me what this means? By bitch slapped do you mean they'll release a politely worded letter suggesting that they don't agree? The seems to be the extent of it to me. Zero consequences for anyone, except for us.
Yea someone told me something about SCOTUS requiring 60 days to appeal or some such thing and the 3/20 date falls just outside of that. So basically they are dragging it out as long as they can, about 7 days past the SCOTUS "requirement", and they probably know that SCOTUS won't give them a hard time by going over the deadline by "only" 7 days. Not exactly sure about any of this, just what I heard.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It means if they do so, SCOTUS will completely reverse their ruling, and publicly embarrass them in their opinion, and not give the appeals court any sway or influence over the case law. Publicly told they ignored SCOTUS and the constitution. That’s a big deal for a judge and any chance for promotion. And the court can have those particular judges on that panel from hearing similar cases again.
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
Not to mention, a judge's track record follows them for life. Bad decision`s now, will likely have repercussions later.
I know they gave a stay until the appeal but this
panel hearing the appeal is 2 Republican appointees to one democrat. They were bassically just given cover by the Supreme Court to do the right thing. I’m hopeful they will uphold the district courts ruling.
panel hearing the appeal is 2 Republican appointees to one democrat. They were bassically just given cover by the Supreme Court to do the right thing. I’m hopeful they will uphold the district courts ruling.
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
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Unfortunately if the 3 judge panel upholds the district courts ruling, the state will request the case to be heard from an en banque panel which is all the judges from the 2nd circuit. The state will continue the seemingly endless BS to keep the CCIA in effect for as long as humanly possible....which we all know could be years....
Hate to break it to everyone but unless the Supreme Court decrees that the whole country become constitutional carry nothing will ever change in NYS. The politicians in this state know they can get away with anything as they have been infringing on residents rights since 1911 and with every new infringement gun owners run to comply. I hope I am wrong but history tells me I am not.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
It doesn't say if Applebee's had a sign but I dont believe it matters because any place that serves alcohol is designated as a restricted or sensitive place.....
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
Definition of a hero in NYS today, is sure different than it use to be.
I don`t play hero for nobody but my own family and friends. The right thing to do would have for the guy with the gun, to get the hell out of there as fast as possible. Let the blood of the victims fall on Hochuls ass. Now the HERO will be put thru the wringer, bet on it, Hochul ain`t gonna let this fly.
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GlockModel29
.40 S&W
I was thinkin the same thing.....
ManualF150
.308 Win
x2^^
That is why no matter what, I always place myself in a restaurant (and other places) knowing where all the exits are. I don't let myself get cornered nor do I sit with my back facing the door. I also keep my situational awareness up at all times no matter where I'm at.
That is why no matter what, I always place myself in a restaurant (and other places) knowing where all the exits are. I don't let myself get cornered nor do I sit with my back facing the door. I also keep my situational awareness up at all times no matter where I'm at.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
This is where I’m at given the climate here in NYS. I told my dad this and he said you can’t give up on people. I said it’s so bad I could see someone struggling shoveling on my street and I’ll have to walk right by because I’m armed if I leave my house. Who knows if they or someone else will see it while I’m helping them and I get arrested. I said nope I’m not doing it anymore for people I don’t know.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
If he gets in trouble or even if not I’d love to see the groups filing this lawsuit to get him on the case so that we can ensure we have standing for the sensitive and restricted places.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Sounds prime for a lawsuit
maverick52
.223 Rem
I wouldn’t be surprised if the local DA has been instructed NOT to bring charges to avoid this going to court. It’s one big game
maverick52
.223 Rem
At the very least this can be used as evidence in the hearing on 3/20 as to why the stay should be vacated and the law should be enjoined
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
A question i have, was it legal for the guy to be carrying a firearm in a place that serves alcohol ??? Wouldn`t that be a felony charge ???
I wouldn`t be surprised if hochul will try to find a way to charge the guy. After all, she has to protect her unconstitutional gun laws.
If she doesn`t do anything, its going to make her look bad to her crazies.
I wouldn`t be surprised if hochul will try to find a way to charge the guy. After all, she has to protect her unconstitutional gun laws.
If she doesn`t do anything, its going to make her look bad to her crazies.
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
Salt, it pains me to say this, because most of us want to help others, at least i use to, that`s just who we are. BUT, we are now at those times where we can`t help strangers anymore, because it drags us into it far to deep now and there is a hell of a price to pay for it. If people can`t protect themselves, that is not your problem. Yes, it sucks, but everybody has the option to carry a legal weapon of some sort to defend themselves. We are not safe from anything anymore. I believe today, its best NOT to put that target on YOUR own back. Let law enforcement deal with it, it is, their job, not ours. The days of good samaritans, well, that`s pretty much in the past. The ONLY time i will offer any type of help today, is if i come across a motor vehicle accident, in which i am by law, to stop and help where i can be of assistance, and even then, my situational awareness is always, eye`s an ears wide open.
All this craziness, all falls at the front door of hochul. She is the one who is responsible. And by god, she needs to be held accountable!
Beaver face does not change who I am as a person.
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
Me neither!Beaver face does not change who I am as a person.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so its ok to drive your 3000 plus pound auto to apple bees and have a drink or 2 and drive away ..
ohhhh
but carrying a firearm is Taboo and a felony even if you didn't even have a damn drink ..
JunkBoxFull
.308 Win
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
1791 ..
no FFL
no ATF
no NFA
no Tax Stamps
no Permits
but in 1718
"At the time the gun was patented in 1718, a musket could be loaded and fired 3 times a minute. The vastly superior Puckle Gun fired nine shots per minute and was the world's first machine gun. "
omg the puckel has a high capacity drum mag too lol
no FFL
no ATF
no NFA
no Tax Stamps
no Permits
but in 1718
"At the time the gun was patented in 1718, a musket could be loaded and fired 3 times a minute. The vastly superior Puckle Gun fired nine shots per minute and was the world's first machine gun. "
omg the puckel has a high capacity drum mag too lol
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They may try to strong arm him in to pleaing it down to the lowest charge where he would lose all his gun rights. If so I just hope he is smart enough to say no and call to get on the lawsuit.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
This is interesting and it appears that the lower courts are just saying screw you ti the FFLs. It would be very great if they SC just granted this and rules on this asap. I would really like to see that happen.