Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Now it’s 6 cases and not 5? It’s so hard to keep track of.
Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)
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ManualF150
.308 Win
That was the other number I had to double check.
As usual, it's nothing but a mess.
maverick52
.223 Rem
Ammo is their next target. Limiting ammo purchases, lead free, etc.
ManualF150
.308 Win
They are already limiting ammo by using mind games....
How about the folks on here that refuse to give up their information and go to another free state to buy ammo?
Like for me for example, it's not the fact that they want the information, I just don't want to "comply" if I don't have to, especially if I have other options. Right now I reload, but I do like to get some factory made ammo, especially for once used casings to keep in rotation. So in order for me to buy more ammo, in my travels out of state, I'll just stop by a gun shop and buy what I need.
All this has negative implications on sales for these stores. Which is exactly what the left wants.
This can either go good or bad very quickly. Watch them wipe out all 6 cases at once with one decision. I don't think that will happen but it could.
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
Justice Thomas and Alito hinted to them to try it and find out? They want this court to put their shit in a finding, written and then it will be handled once and for all.
As some say infringed means what it means but its infringed anyways, the Supreme Court could decide, that states never get to infringed as its not a state right. State rights are things not mentioned in the constitution. The 2A is and means, state must end gun control. 10th amendment is a two way street to sort out what is what.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
This is how the court system works. The 2nd is given a chance to get in line . It’s a chain of command type of thing .Yep. Just waiting for others to come along and tell me how it's actually a good thing and the lower courts will get their act together next time because they've been put on warning and will get bitch slapped if they don't!!
Sure. We know this. It's been discussed by the YouTube types who are in tune with this. We've all watched the video explanations that you have, so you're not telling us anything new. My point is they've had their chances already. How many more will they get?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Do you really want to know? This hearing is just over allowing the law to remain in effect UNTIL the appeal is heard. So , no matter the decision, it’s going to go up for at least one more time no matter what they decide unless they just make a ruling on the appeal itself -which is doubtful.
Well kind of. The injunction or restraining orders were granted initially because the district courts (who are the courts that will decide the cases) agreed that the plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits of their cases. They didn't just issue their rulings haphazardly in expectation of reversing their decision when they make their final ruling. So the question really is how many chances will the 2nd circuit get to meddle in these cases to appease the tyrannical officials in NY? SCOTUS allowing it to happen continuously and repeatedly is a joke.
If NY passed a law tonight that blacks aren't allowed to vote or jews weren't allowed to go to temple how long would the cases be put off? How many stays? Would it be allowed to be enforceable in the meantime by tyrant scum bag cops who think the Bill Of Rights applies to them differently because they sat through an "academy" for a few weeks or months? Would jews have to sneak around to worship in secret until the courts got around to hear their case while they risk arrest in the meantime? How is this any different that those scenarios?
I don't understand the confusion by so many CITIZENS of this great country!
My RIGHTS aren't bestowed, and therefore cannot be DENIED! The 2nd ESPECIALLY which is the only RIGHT with explicit instructions provided, SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED!
Courts, Judges, and Empty Suit Governors included, do not decide what my RIGHTS are. This is the original problem with even writing them down, as some of the founders had feared!
I'll exercise my RIGHT, as I see fit, in the pursuit of happiness as decreed in that famous document. I will enjoy those RIGHTS absent fear of the Big Bad Wolf that never comes, but I will never walk undefended, especially in today's upside down world where the need and necessity for self preservation is displayed daily, let alone in NY State! I'm not going to worry about the toothless SCOTUS, or the LEFTIST Bent Administration that wants to impose it's executive will bypassing the legislative and judicial branches of our Gov't that enact and interpret laws! RIGHTS, exceed those branches of Gov't and sit atop the mantle of the experiment in which we are all voluntary participants.
Good luck to those always looking over their shoulder in fear of the heavy hand of Gov't, or the Bad Guy because they're willing to submit and subject themselves to unconstitutional laws enacted with maleficence towards those who would exercise their RIGHTS... SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED is written and signed by representatives from every State. Funny thing is NY was the LAST STATE to sign the Constitution... lol, kinda ironic, no? Again... Those RIGHTS are mine, assigned at birth, not by Gov't, only recognized by Gov't. That's it! Simple truth, regardless of how complicated they wish to make it.
Best Regards!
And oh...
FUCK NY!!!
lol
My RIGHTS aren't bestowed, and therefore cannot be DENIED! The 2nd ESPECIALLY which is the only RIGHT with explicit instructions provided, SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED!
Courts, Judges, and Empty Suit Governors included, do not decide what my RIGHTS are. This is the original problem with even writing them down, as some of the founders had feared!
I'll exercise my RIGHT, as I see fit, in the pursuit of happiness as decreed in that famous document. I will enjoy those RIGHTS absent fear of the Big Bad Wolf that never comes, but I will never walk undefended, especially in today's upside down world where the need and necessity for self preservation is displayed daily, let alone in NY State! I'm not going to worry about the toothless SCOTUS, or the LEFTIST Bent Administration that wants to impose it's executive will bypassing the legislative and judicial branches of our Gov't that enact and interpret laws! RIGHTS, exceed those branches of Gov't and sit atop the mantle of the experiment in which we are all voluntary participants.
Good luck to those always looking over their shoulder in fear of the heavy hand of Gov't, or the Bad Guy because they're willing to submit and subject themselves to unconstitutional laws enacted with maleficence towards those who would exercise their RIGHTS... SHALL NOT BE INGRINGED is written and signed by representatives from every State. Funny thing is NY was the LAST STATE to sign the Constitution... lol, kinda ironic, no? Again... Those RIGHTS are mine, assigned at birth, not by Gov't, only recognized by Gov't. That's it! Simple truth, regardless of how complicated they wish to make it.
Best Regards!
And oh...
FUCK NY!!!
lol
Well said. I like your argument but the judge won't. So it's really a matter of the risk you wish to take. That will vary for each person. In the end I believe we will be on the right side of history and the cops who enforce this and the officials who passed this will be on the wrong side of history. How much will be have to endure and how long will that take? Nobody knows.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Okay, in a SCOTUS court environment that they aren’t watching the case, the appeals court could keep it up for years by finding some small thing in the case and send it back down for the trial court to explore the new issue. They can’t do it in this case. They get three shots at the Apple in this one. They will have a hearing on the stay until the appeals case is heard, then the actual appeal then an En Blanc panel when it’s the whole appeals court rather than a three judge panel.
Would SCOTUS have denied the emergency request if the jews were legally prohibited from attending temple to give the 2nd another chance in 3 months to get it right or would emergency relief be granted immediately?
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
You are making a great point and I agree with you 1000%....
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Go look it up. Look at the covid restrictions and how long that took
COVID and Religion at SCOTUS
www.rpc.senate.gov
it’s how the court works.
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maverick52
.223 Rem
I believe this is the hearing for the appeal of the preliminary injunction. The stay was issued as an emergency stay. Then the hearing was expedited to 3-20. All of these cases are being combined and ruled on either to maintain the emergency stay (in which the second circuit would have to draft a thorough decision explaining why) or vacate the stay and allow the district courts decisions to stand. Then we move on to the real case(s) which I assume will all be in our favor. When those cases are decided there will be yet another appeal by NYS. What I am not clear on is, is whether NYS can appeal to the second circuit en banc if we win on 3-20 or if we can appeal en banc. Or we go directly to SCOTUS
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Already on it.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
If that does that’s fine as long as the Supreme Court takes them all up if things don’t go they way they should.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I disagree with you on the history thing. I don’t think most Americans will support what we’re going for with the Bruen decision. Should that matter legally? No. I’m sure most or all Americans do not support paying taxes but you’ll still get convicted for not paying your taxes. I don’t think too many Americans will support expanding full autos, silencers, and eliminating mag limits, but I could be wrong. I think this can be attributed to Hollywood bullshit and liberal lies but those things influence people.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
If it’s just a 3 judge panel, either side can ask for the En Banc. Or appeal to SCOTUS. An En banc or a SCOTUS decision to review the case can be flatly denied unlike an initial appeal . I am basing what I am saying as to what happened in CA and the 9th circuit
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
As far as I'm concerned the NFA of 1934 and the GCA of 1968 are all infringements on the 2nd amendment. If I could afford it I should be able to mail order a tank or a full auto M16 and have it delivered to my door.
Hi all!
I am not nearly as educated on our judicial processes as many of you and I’m quite confused about where we currently stand (on Long Island) with CC in private businesses.
I completed my CCW 18 hour course (with a sportsman license) on 1/14/23 in Nassau County (I live in Suffolk County). We were told during the course that once we received our new CCW license we were allowed to CC in private businesses as that part of the CCIA was overturned. It seems through my research that at this time that may not be true. Can anyone educate me on where we stand now as it pertains to CC in private businesses in Suffolk County in businesses not displaying CC permitted?
Thank you in advanced!
I am not nearly as educated on our judicial processes as many of you and I’m quite confused about where we currently stand (on Long Island) with CC in private businesses.
I completed my CCW 18 hour course (with a sportsman license) on 1/14/23 in Nassau County (I live in Suffolk County). We were told during the course that once we received our new CCW license we were allowed to CC in private businesses as that part of the CCIA was overturned. It seems through my research that at this time that may not be true. Can anyone educate me on where we stand now as it pertains to CC in private businesses in Suffolk County in businesses not displaying CC permitted?
Thank you in advanced!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree 200%. I’m just saying I don’t agree that the history books will see it that way. I also don’t think most Americans will agree with it either, but not based on facts based on BS and Hollywood like I said earlier. My dream gun is a full auto Tommy gun.
Don’t mistake my disagreement with the earlier post for my agreement with the laws.
I think most of not all gun laws are Bs and I should be able to buy whatever I want up to high explosives with just a background check. A stick or two of dynamite to take care of some trees sure no problem.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
You can carry in private businesses only if they have a sign saying you’re allowed to, I think churches, and most streets and sidewalks unless there’s a protest or event on the street or sidewalk. That’s about it. Whoever you took your class with was wrong and you should request a refund because even on 1/14/23 you weren’t allowed to either.
The full CCIA is in effect. The church carry might be the only exception.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i will 2nd that ..
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
I can remember my dad telling me when he was a kid in the 30's that you could walk into the local hardware store and buy dynamite no questions asked.
For what it's worth, I used to do Civil War reenacting with a guy who also got involved in WW2 reenacting. He bought 2 Sherman tanks from the Bosnian government, had them shipped back to the US and then moved from New Jersey to Pennsylvania and had them mounted with .30 and .50 caliber machine guns as well as working 75mm cannon. Let's just say he is rather well off, financially.
It's not that difficult to get a blaster's permit for PRIVATE use. A COMMERCIAL permit is much more difficult, but allows you to buy more types of explosives.
A blaster's permit held by a farmer or landowner will allow you to purchase various grades of TNT along with the det caps necessary to make it go bang. There may be a few other explosives available on that permit too, but you won't be able to buy C4 or other high explosives with it. You can buy TNT for removing stumps and rocks, that sort of thing , ON YOUR LAND, but it is not legal to hire your services out COMMERCIALLY.
NOBODY uses DYNAMITE anymore. They haven't for decades. TNT has replaced it. Most people say dynamite when they really mean TNT.
Bozo
.45 acp
Exactly. WTF? 16 hours of expensive classroom time, and they can't even stay up to date on the legalities?
That said - concealed is concealed. Everyone needs to decide for themselves whether carrying in violation of current law is a risk worth taking vs. needing a gun and not having one.