Text of proposed NY internet-background checks

[Deplorable Me]

Yeah a lot of questions at this point.

I don't do facebook, Twitter or the other ones mentioned in the bill. I have always used IE so I figure that my internet search history would show to who ever is doing the investigation. That my search habits include the almost daily visits on this forum and also arfcom, the only two (social media?) websites that I am a member of. So would they then want my usernames and passwords to both of those websites so that they would know, who I am, and what I am saying on those websites... IDK

I don't know how any of this is going to work. I'm just thinking out loud.

Yep, lot's of questions.

Sometimes I think that this will be signed into law. But then again, I sometimes think
that this sort of thing is even to much for New Yorkistan.

So frustrating!

Right before they start your background check on your browsing history, do something really horrific at all your sites to get banned and blame the moderator for deleting all your post. Y'll have to start thinking like Hillary.

 

[libertysnake]

Right before they start your background check on your browsing history, do something really horrific at all your sites to get banned and blame the moderator for deleting all your post. Y'll have to start thinking like Hillary.

Honestly, if NYGF has an API, one of us should just post up a script that people can use to purge history.

Still, @HEX has set a lot of the posts to member only, which should prevent crawling by random data mining bots. That's a good first start.

 

[E the massive]

Wait till people start getting letters from the permit office.
Dear Mr. Blah Blah
In regards to recertification of your permit, several items of interest have been uncovered during the social media check. These items are referenced on the attached pages. Please read and then explain these items in writing. Send your reply back to this office. Once this office examines your submittal an appointment for an in person interview will be scheduled.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Wait till people start getting letters from the permit office.
Dear Mr. Blah Blah
In regards to re-certification of your permit, several items of interest have been uncovered during the social media check. These items are referenced on the attached pages. Please read and then explain these items in writing. Send your reply back to this office. Once this office examines your submittal an appointment for an in person interview will be scheduled.

Me thinks they'll just revoke your 2A privileges without explanation or justification. Then you'll have to spend $thousands to recover your rights. The deck is intentionally stacked to make it costly for you even if you are right. We are bastard children that they don't want to exist because we do a good job of calling them out.

 

[E the massive]

Me thinks they'll just revoke your 2A privileges without explanation or justification. Then you'll have to spend $thousands to recover your rights. The deck is intentionally stacked to make it costly for you even if you are right. We are bastard children that they don't want to exist because we do a good job of calling them out.

Maybe. But the way these fuckers think and act I opine they would prefer to make one grovel, recant etc. Then revoke.

 

[Blimey]

Wait till people start getting letters from the permit office.
Dear Mr. Blah Blah
In regards to recertification of your permit, several items of interest have been uncovered during the social media check. These items are referenced on the attached pages. Please read and then explain these items in writing. Send your reply back to this office. Once this office examines your submittal an appointment for an in person interview will be scheduled.

Yep.

Frankly the thoughts here about getting around this by purging history, only using incognito, etc. are missing the point. It's playing defense in a game you shouldn't even enter. It's also unwinnable: covering your tracks online is never a sure thing.

Officer: "oh, I see you have no internet history here. Well, that is very unusual. You must have something to hide. Denied."

With a modicum of data and a complex enough algorithm it is possible to identify patterns even people who make them are unaware of, which could include identifying "holes" in what they are doing. e.g. their IP address shows regular activity at certain times, except for 10-15 min/day they seem to be going through a VPN. What are they doing then? Probably something naughty. Permit denied.

 

[meketrefe]

So many basic rights violations that is hard to decide where to begin.

 

[Steal2B]

With both public wi-fi and the ability of anyone to easily hack anyone elses wireless router, it is easy to both be blamed for someone elses ripe search history as well as make it very difficult to track the history of someone motivated.

Unprotected Wi-Fi getting owners in trouble

 

[Bigfoot]

Right before they start your background check on your browsing history, do something really horrific at all your sites to get banned and blame the moderator for deleting all your post. Y'll have to start thinking like Hillary.

Between here and the previous place combined, I have been here for 5 years. And in that time I have only gotten 1 warning.

On arfcom I haven't even managed to get a 1 single warning... I suck at getting banned.

I better start practicing... LOL



Speaking of getting banned, do some of you guys remember Temporary Scars?
For some reason LOL while I was typing this post he popped in my head...

 

[islandneartahiti]

IN ORDER TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER ANY SOCIAL MEDIA
55 ACCOUNT OR SEARCH ENGINE HISTORY OF AN APPLICANT PRESENTS ANY GOOD CAUSE
56 FOR THE DENIAL OF A LICENSE, THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER SHALL, AFTER
S. 9191 3
1 OBTAINING THE APPLICANT'S CONSENT PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION THREE OF THIS
2 SECTION, AND OBTAINING ANY LOG-IN NAME, PASSWORD OR OTHER MEANS FOR
3 ACCESSING A PERSONAL ACCOUNT, SERVICE, OR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS
4 DEVICE NECESSARY TO REVIEW SUCH APPLICANT'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND
5 SEARCH ENGINE HISTORY, REVIEW AN APPLICANT'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS FOR
6 THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS AND SEARCH ENGINE HISTORY FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR
7 AND INVESTIGATE AN APPLICANT'S POSTS OR SEARCHES RELATED TO (I) COMMONLY
8 KNOWN PROFANE SLURS OR BIASED LANGUAGE USED TO DESCRIBE THE RACE, COLOR,
9 NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, GENDER, RELIGION, RELIGIOUS PRACTICE, AGE,
10 DISABILITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION OF A PERSON; (II) THREATENING THE
11 HEALTH OR SAFETY OF ANOTHER PERSON; (III) AN ACT OF TERRORISM; OR (IV)
12 ANY OTHER ISSUE DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER. FOR THE
13 PURPOSES OF THIS SUBDIVISION, "SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS" SHALL ONLY INCLUDE
14 FACEBOOK, SNAPCHAT, TWITTER AND INSTAGRAM, AND "SEARCH ENGINE" SHALL
15 ONLY INCLUDE GOOGLE, YAHOO AND BING. Upon completion of the investi-
16 gation, the police authority shall report the results to the licensing
17 officer without unnecessary delay.


https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2017/S9191

Reintroduced with additions. Describes that profile must be public for 60 days, and that no content is deleted within the previous 60 days of application. So you can essentially delete all content and wait 60 days to apply?

New York State Assembly | Bill Search and Legislative Information

 

[meketrefe]

Take a look at my profile..

 

[Deplorable Me]

Reintroduced with additions. Describes that profile must be public for 60 days, and that no content is deleted within the previous 60 days of application. So you can essentially delete all content and wait 60 days to apply?

New York State Assembly | Bill Search and Legislative Information

So for 60 days I can't call Andy an asshole? I'll just get a Sharpie and practice my 1A rights on the bathroom stall wall.

 

[livingston]

Yep.

Frankly the thoughts here about getting around this by purging history, only using incognito, etc. are missing the point. It's playing defense in a game you shouldn't even enter. It's also unwinnable: covering your tracks online is never a sure thing.

Officer: "oh, I see you have no internet history here. Well, that is very unusual. You must have something to hide. Denied."

With a modicum of data and a complex enough algorithm it is possible to identify patterns even people who make them are unaware of, which could include identifying "holes" in what they are doing. e.g. their IP address shows regular activity at certain times, except for 10-15 min/day they seem to be going through a VPN. What are they doing then? Probably something naughty. Permit denied.

 

[livingston]

Wait till people start getting letters from the permit office.
Dear Mr. Blah Blah
In regards to recertification of your permit, several items of interest have been uncovered during the social media check. These items are referenced on the attached pages. Please read and then explain these items in writing. Send your reply back to this office. Once this office examines your submittal an appointment for an in person interview will be scheduled.

The main purpose of all of this is to disarm the public...... NO explain ... just a denial letter and you have 10 days to turn in all your guns ...

 

[Saltwater60]

I don’t have any social media accounts except twitter. I’m thinking of deleting it anyway. You inactivate your account and 30 days later all content is deleted.

I have google on my phone, but what if I delete that app now and I just use safari on my phone. That browser is not listed on the law so it would be illegal for them to search that.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

So, This will violate an individual's first, second, fourth, fifth, and fourteenth amendment rights. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong. The US Constitution has NO bearing anymore. It's a useless piece of paper at this point. Why?? Because WE all sat around and LET THE DEMOCRAPS MAKE IT THAT WAY!! Welcome to America where YOU have no rights, freedoms or liberties.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

I don’t have any social media accounts except twitter. I’m thinking of deleting it anyway. You inactivate your account and 30 days later all content is deleted.

I have google on my phone, but what if I delete that app now and I just use safari on my phone. That browser is not listed on the law so it would be illegal for them to search that.

That's cute. The FACT is, everything you've done on the internet is stored for 10 years minimum.