The Buffalo Police Department IS trying to play BIG BROTHER!

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First I don’t believe that it won’t pull things it’s not supposed to or they claim it doesn’t
They claim they are in the business of preventing crimes but you can’t arrest some one for thinking of a crime so a crime has to be committed to have an arrest. Last nothing will make Buffalo safe and nothing will make the Buffalo PD effective. Oops if they get this software maybe they will come harass me now for calling the ineffective
"It does not get into your locked accounts," Gramaglia said. "But the moment you publicly post something, it's out in the public sphere."
The four licenses that the BPD wants to purchase will cost more than $86,000, but the contract is fully funded by a NYS Technology Grant. This continues a trend under Gramaglia's tenure as commissioner, implementing new high-tech tools for the department.
"We've been doing this high tech push for several years, but things come at a cost," Gramaglia said. "All of this makes our officers, our detectives, much more efficient. They can process a lot more information a lot quicker, not have to wear out as much shoe leather and doing their jobs."
 
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Well Commish, just call it something like "the Patriot Initiative" or something similar and the sheep will rush to see that you get it and then some.
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"We're in the business of preventing crime."

No, you absolutely are not. You are in the business of enforcing the duly enacted laws of your jurisdiction after a crime has been committed. The laws provide for the punishments to be administered by the judiciary and those are meant to serve as the deterrent for crime.

If he is in the business of "preventing" crime, every person needs to have their driver license immediately suspended so as to "prevent" drunk driving. Everyone should be preemptively charged with all manner of crime because, well, you might do something someday and it needs to be prevented.

This mission creep will be the death of freedom.....
 
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They have a whole team that already does those for social media and they have special accounts on those sites. Which means they are working in coordination with them.
 
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I see things like this and I laugh at some of the reactions. Not specifically here, this system goes to the next level, but the Buffalo PD, the Sheriff's office, local cops, etc...

They all have teams of officers that already dig deep on all Social Media sites. Your phone calls, your texts and the like; they are already used.
 
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If someone were to flood the public dataset that Dataminr is looking at with a bunch of false records to render their service useless, that'd be a real shame. A real shame. Right @SomeSoldier / @SonOfSun ?

That being said, legitimately, how are they even determining info that is false or accurate that it's sourcing? Even with potentially bad actors aside that could taint the dataset, public records are filled with inaccuracies by themselves. I have my doubts about accuracy. Seems like a huge ball of wax to me, even if a bad actor didn't mess with this system.
 
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libertysnake said:
If someone were to flood the public dataset that Dataminr is looking at with a bunch of false records to render their service useless, that'd be a real shame. A real shame. Right @SomeSoldier / @SonOfSun ?

That being said, legitimately, how are they even determining info that is false or accurate that it's sourcing? Even with potentially bad actors aside that could taint the dataset, public records are filled with inaccuracies by themselves. I have my doubts about accuracy. Seems like a huge ball of wax to me, even if a bad actor didn't mess with this system.
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they would just arrest anyways .. they have protection .. who cares if the Info is good or bad ..

let the courts figure it out ..

If the info is good it just makes them look better ..

If the info is bad .. ohhh shucks we got it wrong .. spank my hand please ..
 
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carpediem said:
"We're in the business of preventing crime."

No, you absolutely are not. You are in the business of enforcing the duly enacted laws of your jurisdiction after a crime has been committed. The laws provide for the punishments to be administered by the judiciary and those are meant to serve as the deterrent for crime.

If he is in the business of "preventing" crime, every person needs to have their driver license immediately suspended so as to "prevent" drunk driving. Everyone should be preemptively charged with all manner of crime because, well, you might do something someday and it needs to be prevented.

This mission creep will be the death of freedom.....
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There's at least a dozen works of literature warning why you absolutely do not want a "pre-crime" department.

Bunch of history books too.

That's probably second only to putting an AI in charge of your nuclear weapons for dystopian bad ideas.
 
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carpediem said:
"We're in the business of preventing crime."

No, you absolutely are not. You are in the business of enforcing the duly enacted laws of your jurisdiction after a crime has been committed. The laws provide for the punishments to be administered by the judiciary and those are meant to serve as the deterrent for crime.

If he is in the business of "preventing" crime, every person needs to have their driver license immediately suspended so as to "prevent" drunk driving. Everyone should be preemptively charged with all manner of crime because, well, you might do something someday and it needs to be prevented.

This mission creep will be the death of freedom.....
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Will be? Heh. Freedom has been in the throes of death by a thousand cuts since 1792.
 
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Robin said:
Well Commish, just call it something like "the Patriot Initiative" or something similar and the sheep will rush to see that you get it and then some.
Robin
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More like commieish because that’s where we are going as a country.
 
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