The Real Intent behind NY SAFE

[BerettaGuy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/h...taken-psychiatric-drugs-report-says.html?_r=0

Tapping into - data mining - or expanding Background Checks to include medical history and more specifically prescription history is the real sinister intent of NY SAFE. This way they are keeping all you background check supporters feeling mo safer.

You may say, Hey I don't care, I have never taken those kind of drugs.
I say, no matter what, it is an infringement and with these people you give them an inch and they want a mile.

We quit smoking and we eat better so we are living longer. Enter Alzheimer's or dementia. there is a very good chance that is going to happen to you.

Now enter phase two.
You have depression or dementia in your "Family History". Oh really, not yet, You will.

If left unchecked, That will be reason for a 4473 denial in the future. You wait and see.

Hell, we have Sheila Jackson Lee wanting to put micro chips in dementia patients to track them if they wonder off there by "saving lives". It is being debated in Congress as we speak.

 

[GOPerfect]

There are a few of the smarter members here that discussed this in great length a couple of years ago when they were first talking about it.

Most will pay no attention to this serious government over reach.

 

[Catskillkid]

What medication you take and what therapy you seek should be between two individuals only. You and your doctor. Not everyone who takes antidepressants or similar medications are psycho killers in the making. Not everyone with a "mental illness" (and everyone personality quirk or emotion is a mental illness today) should be denied their rights. This along with Obamacare reporting mandates and electronic medical records make it real easy to cross reference different databases. This will most certainly be used to deny a purchase in the future. They are looking for everything under the sun to deny purchases and possession.

Since the beginning, I have believed that this is the most sinister aspect of the whole unSAFE Act.

 

[RayKnobs]

You seem to mixing state law with federal law saying that something is going to happen that counties already do?

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

There are a few of the smarter members here that discussed this in great length a couple of years ago when they were first talking about it.

Most will pay no attention to this serious government over reach.

I don't worry about these type of things. Eventually all of these things will backfire making it where they won't have a clue of who has how many of what if you catch my drift.

 

[livingston]

This is being addressed here ?
Montgomery v. Cuomo | Law and Policy
Fox v. NYSP | Law and Policy
In re Donna McKay | Law and Policy

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

There are a few of the smarter members here that discussed this in great length a couple of years ago when they were first talking about it.

Most will pay no attention to this serious government over reach.

It's a horrible precedent.

Perfect example, what percentage of the population goes through an ugly divorce or job loss or family tragedy and they realize they are depressed or have anxiety and want to be responsible and they seek treatment for a temporary condition when they are not a threat to anyone, just down on themselves or whatever. Their 2a right will go kaput.

It's a major issue

 

[Robin]

Just the incremental deconstruction of our republic as founded. Even if many don't suffer some such malady, a certain percentage will say screw it, too much hassle. Fewer gun owners, less money to the organizations that fight to preserve the constitution, less people to write their political representatives, less people to trample the grass in Albany. I have seen it in my life time. FUAC!
Robin

 

[Cooolone]

90% of the populace live with their head in the sand... 8% with their head in their ass... That leaves very little who pay attention. With less than .01% of the populace owning and controlling things, that leaves even less to notice and do anything, which creates insurmountable odds to effectuate any change!

Adapt, improvise, overcome...
or just enjoy life and do whatever the fuck it is you want to do anyways!

 

[GOPerfect]

This is not the attitude of a defeatist, there is very little that can be done to fight them. Sure, we try to elect like minded people to fill office, but most do nothing for us.

Cooolone, is correct, the amount of people who pay any attention is small, that number gets smaller by the day.

 

[carpediem]

This is not the attitude of a defeatist, there is very little that can be done to fight them. Sure, we try to elect like minded people to fill office, but most do nothing for us.

Cooolone, is correct, the amount of people who pay any attention is small, that number gets smaller by the day.

To further what you have stated, when you try to light the fire in most people, you are scoffed at and told to not be so political/conspiracy theory spouting. They then go back to watching reality tv and gobbling up pop culture. Sad.

 

[meketrefe]

Depression and anxiety drugs?
Half of the police, fire and military will be w/o guns then.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And people call me Evil...

 

[Catskillkid]

Depression and anxiety drugs?
Half of the police, fire and military will be w/o guns then.

Likely all part of the plan.

 

[Karpteach]

There are a few of the smarter members here that discussed this in great length a couple of years ago when they were first talking about it.

Most will pay no attention to this serious government over reach.

That's why we get crapped on in NY. The sides have been picked, the Fudds and liberal shit vs. the intelligent and proactive firearms owner. It's a losing battle in this. communist hellhole.

 

[Criticalt]

What about off label uses for some medications, or doctors trying different meds to treat a difficult medicdl issue?
For instance, a friend of mine was having problems with dizziness and anxiety. The doctors tried many things including anxiety drugs and depression meds for a few months. Finally an ENT doctor found he had allergies messing up his eustation tubes in his ears. He was treated for allergies and is all better. However now he has a history of two "mental illness" drugs on his record.
Then we have anti depression meds. There are hundreds of off label uses that have ZERO to do with depression. Everything from eating disorders to weight loss and thyroid issues.
A very slippery slope.

 

[Catskillkid]

What about off label uses for some medications, or doctors trying different meds to treat a difficult medicdl issue?
For instance, a friend of mine was having problems with dizziness and anxiety. The doctors tried many things including anxiety drugs and depression meds for a few months. Finally an ENT doctor found he had allergies messing up his eustation tubes in his ears. He was treated for allergies and is all better. However now he has a history of two "mental illness" drugs on his record.
Then we have anti depression meds. There are hundreds of off label uses that have ZERO to do with depression. Everything from eating disorders to weight loss and thyroid issues.
A very slippery slope.

Exactly. Could not agree more. Just because someone is taking antidepressants doesn't mean they are depressed. And frankly even if you are depressed should we deny that person the right to own a gun? Without other qualifying information I say no.

 

[Saltwater60]

I also believe this is in part why the liberals want government run health care. So that doctors can report people and have their guns taken away. My wife said every time she goes to the doctors now they ask her a whole bunch of questions about do you want to kill yourself, are you depressed, and things like that. I don't go to the doctors unless I really really need to so I have not experienced this.

 

[fartgamer]

Just part of the long term plan. We think in the now, they look at the future.

 

[Celt]

Damn skippy! And they already implemented the prescription database for certain prescription drugs. Now just a quick cross reference and DENIED!.

Now, the 4473 is a fed database but i suspect ny will want to create its own (to include ammo purchases) and they will push it by blaming other/less regulated states.


Lets hope trump forces states to follow the 2a!

 

[MikeyCNY]

What medication you take and what therapy you seek should be between two individuals only. You and your doctor.

Well and your pharmacist (and pharmacy staff)... plus on top of all of this, the state mandates that all doctors send the prescriptions electronically now, or face fines. And we ALL know how secure electronic records are, right Hillary and John?

 

[FN FAL]

Follow the money.

Big government means control over the people and big money for those in power. Growth in government increases that position. Thus it is the roadmap of the Klinton/Cuomo/Schumer/Skelos types to further their own personal positions via growth in government.

The only thing that might stop the expansionist growth in government and super-empowerment of the power-hungry politicians is a well armed populace.

The intent of SAFE was to provide a framework for other state and national laws to effectively disarm the anti-big-government types. Eliminate or retard 2A and evil can take its course.

 

[RDN]

There are a few of the smarter members here that discussed this in great length a couple of years ago when they were first talking about it.

Most will pay no attention to this serious government over reach.

Agreed. NY is a lost cause. Best to move to a "free" state to enjoy your RIGHTS. Or hope if/when Trump appoints a pro-2nd Amend. justice and all thees gun bans are challenged. That we(gun owners) win.

 

[Aardvarkjff]

Aside from the fact Trump put a huge dent in the Libs plans, just look at what is going on. Adam Lanza was on meds and was crazy. That is the poster boy for the justification. We don't let felons that serve their time because they have a "possibility" of reoffending. This rationale is applied to a whole class of people, just like Lanza will be the proof that all mentally ill must be banned because of a "possibility" of a Lanza 2. That and centralizing medical records into databases allows "evidence" of mental illness by use of certain meds.

Couple that with the fact that nearly everything is a felony these days, the VA is stripping people of their 2A rights as a routine matter, the IRS is stripping folks of their 2A rights. It clearly indicates that there is an agenda there.

I would say at this point in our history, the 2A is the only right that more ways to be restricted than granted.

 

[Uzi]

I wouldn't mind owning a set of dual micro uzi's. Take away our firearms illegally and unconstitutionally and you're certain to make those once law abiding gun owners CERTAINLY not give a shit about obeying gun laws anymore. Why settle for an "illegal" semi auto at that point when you can build yourself up a nice full auto sub gun with a 100rnd drum magazine in the garage? Instant backfire, no pun intended.