Things are heating up in the Donbass

[spat]

I never said they were forced to join. If Putin wanted more sea ports in the baltic, we'd be in the same position with or without NATO. If NATO had been moth balled, and that happened, the alliance could have been reinstated just like any other agreement or piece of equipment. What would or should we care about Putin wanting former Soviet satilite states anyway? If NATO had stayed how it was before baltic states joined, nothing would have changed if Putin expanded there. Putin would still stop at a NATO border.

The point is that NATO admitting them stopped Putin from even considering an invasion.

If Ukraine had been admitted 5 years ago , the world would be a far better place today. It would even have been a better place for Russia, since they would have avoided this invasion that is destroying them.

Imagine if all of Europe was in NATO and Russia was forced to stop it's military adventurism. How many *Russian* lives would that save ?

 

[spat]

Thats their perception of it . And NATO is basically trying to destroy Russia by Proxy, and though sanctions and international banking, and arming and supporting Ukraine .So you cant really say they are not a threat when this is exactly what they are doing.

NATO is exclusively a military alliance. It has never been a military threat to Russia post Soviet Union., and Putin is smart enough to know that. His rhetoric is just that.

The economic and political war being fought between Russia and the US and EU is a completely separate thing. He would be well within his rights to engage in all sorts of those shenanigans.

NATO's only purpose is to ensure that such conflicts remain in the economic and political arenas. It does a very good job at it.

 

[1341]

And the French annexed the entire Rurher vally. which was the industrial breadbasket of Germany, without that they could not afford to pay the outrageous reparations, which lead to the collapse of the German mark, a depression for Germany and the little funny guy that swore he would fix

Thats their perception of it . And NATO is basically trying to destroy Russia by Proxy, and though sanctions and international banking, and arming and supporting Ukraine .So you cant really say they are not a threat when this is exactly what they are doing.

But when did all the sanctions happen?

 

[holdover]

NATO is exclusively a military alliance. It has never been a military threat to Russia post Soviet Union., and Putin is smart enough to know that. His rhetoric is just that.

The economic and political war being fought between Russia and the US and EU is a completely separate thing. He would be well within his rights to engage in all sorts of those shenanigans.

NATO's only purpose is to ensure that such conflicts remain in the economic and political arenas. It does a very good job at it.

Arming and training the the Ukrainians to fight the Russians proves you wrong

 

[holdover]

But when did all the sanctions happen?

1 month ago?

 

[1341]

Would those sanctions be in place if Russia didn't invade? Of course not. Arming and training is what we do. If someone is willing to pay our capitalistic economy demands it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Love the manly photo ops by the strong hero. So awesome. This is going to look good on all the magazine covers. So brave, so mighty.

 

[GOPerfect]

May be a small area, but it looks like South Ossetia plans on joining the Russian federation. More and more areas are trying to get back in.

On 30 March 2022, President Anatoly Bibilov announced his intention to begin legal proceedings in the near future to integration with the Russian Federation.

 

[1341]

May be a small area, but it looks like South Ossetia plans on joining the Russian federation. More and more areas are trying to get back in.

On 30 March 2022, President Anatoly Bibilov announced his intention to begin legal proceedings in the near future to integration with the Russian Federation.

Yep, like the 53,000 people who live there probably will cover the losses the Russians suffered so far

 

[GOPerfect]

Yep, like the 53,000 people who live there probably will cover the losses the Russians suffered so far

Glad you are able to look stuff up, awesome. As my original post about his stated, "May be a small area".......

 

[1341]

Glad you are able to look stuff up, awesome. As my original post about his stated, "May be a small area".......

Yep, very small

 

[GOPerfect]

Yep, very small

So, we both agree, awesome.

 

[1341]

Yep, very small

Probably forgot to mention it, but that was a cause of the 2008 Georgia show

 

[1341]

So, we both agree, awesome.

Thank you

 

[Mosinitis]

These people have guts.

 

[GOPerfect]

Thank you

You see, unlike many here, I post more facts, less feelings.

 

[1341]

You see, unlike many here, I post more facts, less feelings.

That you look up

 

[GOPerfect]

Probably forgot to mention it, but that was a cause of the 2008 Georgia show

Nope, I forgot nothing. I only posted a fact that is current. Nothing more and nothing less. You can post all the details that you think are needed; I will continue to post facts that are relevant.

 

[1341]

Nope, I forgot nothing. I only posted a fact that is current. Nothing more and nothing less. You can post all the details that you think are needed; I will continue to post facts that are relevant.

Same here

 

[Defilade]

 

[spat]

NATO is not doing that.

Individual members are.

Also, I don't exactly think arming the guys you have decided to invade qualifies as an aggressive move.

Arming and training the the Ukrainians to fight the Russians proves you wrong

If NATO was 1% as aggressive as Russia, NATO would have invaded several neighboring states "as a buffer".

Why is it you think it's reasonable for Russia to want to invade Ukraine to keep NATO off their border, but it's not reasonable for NATO to want to court Ukraine to keep Russia off theirs ?

If Russia's goal was really to avoid a fight with NATO, they sure seem like they're doing everything they can to provoke one.

 

[spat]

That you look up

Well, nobody posing here is booking a flight to Ukraine to see things first hand, and none of us have spoken with Putin, so we're all just "looking things up".

 

[GOPerfect]

That you look up

Is that not what do? We research what others have seen and what they have done. We look for eyewitness accounts of the happenings in war.

Each time I deployed, I shared my experience with others in order for them to tell the true story.

We know the history of our people that came before us due to their stories that have lasted the ages.

I would imagine that you knew there were 53,000 residents in South Ossetia by looking that up, right?

I am guessing you have not been to this current war zone area, an I correct in this? So all that you are posting is by looking stuff up.

 

[1341]

Is that not what do? We research what others have seen and what they have done. We look for eyewitness accounts of the happenings in war.

Each time I deployed, I shared my experience with others in order for them to tell the true story.

We know the history of our people that came before us due to their stories that have lasted the ages.

I would imagine that you knew there were 53,000 residents in South Ossetia by looking that up, right?

I am guessing you have not been to this current war zone area, an I correct in this? So all that you are posting is by looking stuff up.

Kinda funny you bring up me looking things up but at the same time you do the same.
My guess is that nobody here as been to this current war zone either.
So I guess we are all in the same boat, looking up things, i.e. research

 

[GOPerfect]

Kinda funny you bring up me looking things up but at the same time you do the same.
My guess is that nobody here as been to this current war zone either.
So I guess we are all in the same boat, looking up things, i.e. research

I did not bring it up, you did. I only responded to your post.

Post 4098

 

[1341]

I did not bring it up, you did. I only responded to your post.

Post 4098

As I did

Post 4089

 

[holdover]

Would those sanctions be in place if Russia didn't invade? Of course not. Arming and training is what we do. If someone is willing to pay our capitalistic economy demands it.

I suppose not. Arming and training who? Those who are willing to fight our enemy's. We dont just train anybody. The point being, The NATO considers Russia to be an enemy . You can deny it all you want , its a matter of record.

 

[holdover]

NATO is not doing that.

Individual members are.

Also, I don't exactly think arming the guys you have decided to invade qualifies as an aggressive move.




If NATO was 1% as aggressive as Russia, NATO would have invaded several neighboring states "as a buffer".

Why is it you think it's reasonable for Russia to want to invade Ukraine to keep NATO off their border, but it's not reasonable for NATO to want to court Ukraine to keep Russia off theirs ?

If Russia's goal was really to avoid a fight with NATO, they sure seem like they're doing everything they can to provoke one.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. The US made the whole fucking western hemisphere off limits to communism as a bufferzone.

NATO maynot be 1% as aggressive but the US has sure has them beat in spades, and they pretty much run the show.

Russia was forced into a fight they didn't want or were prepared for, they were going to have to fight sooner or later, fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. ring a bell?

Look, All NATO had to say is they will not allow Ukraine into NATO in order to avoid a major war with the Russians . Simple. The same reason we dont send troops to Taiwan. Its not appeasement, its not in our best interest to provoke a major war with China.(yet)

 

[spat]

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. The US made the whole fucking western hemisphere off limits to communism as a bufferzone.

NATO maynot be 1% as aggressive but the US has sure has them beat in spades, and they pretty much run the show.

Russia was forced into a fight they didn't want or were prepared for, they were going to have to fight sooner or later, fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. ring a bell?

Look, All NATO had to say is they will not allow Ukraine into NATO in order to avoid a major war with the Russians . Simple. The same reason we dont send troops to Taiwan. Its not appeasement, its not in our best interest to provoke a major war with China.(yet)

Communism is long dead. We defeated it in the 80s.

Russia isn't remotely communist.

China is doing a better job of capitalism than we are.

China is manipulating us behind the scenes to adopt the failures of communism so they can defeat us.

We haven't invaded anyone since WWII. Closest we came was the bay of pigs, and even that wasn't the US military invading, it was the typical cold war guerilla proxy fight. If we had invaded Cuba the way the Russians are Ukraine, Cuba would be quite prosperous right now.

And, sure we declared the western hemisphere off limits. Remind me again how many countries we sent battalions of marines into to kick out communists ?

Supporting an insurrection from behind the scenes is a far cry from waging an open war with regular troops.

 

[holdover]

Communism is long dead. We defeated it in the 80s.

Correct. but the doctrine was still used for over 50 years. It doesn't take away from the fact we did it too.

Russia isn't remotely communist.

Correct.

China is doing a better job of capitalism than we are.

that could be argued, there isnt much private ownership of business,

China is manipulating us behind the scenes to adopt the failures of communism so they can defeat us.

Yep.

We haven't invaded anyone since WWII. Closest we came was the bay of pigs, and even that wasn't the US military invading, it was the typical cold war guerilla proxy fight. If we had invaded Cuba the way the Russians are Ukraine, Cuba would be quite prosperous right now.

Like the Iraqis? Your definition of invasion seems to mean annexing by force. D-day was an invasion, Anzio was an invasion, Salarneo,was an invasion the taking of the Philippines, the Marshall, and Solomon Islands was an invasion the taking of the Ryu ku islands from Japan was an invasion. Grenada was an invasion panama was an invasion. We didn't annex any of them. The war in Afghanistan was an invasion, the war in iraq was an invasion .The purpose doesnt define the act. Doesn't matter why we did it.

invasion​

(ɪnˈveɪʒən)
n
1. (Military) the act of invading with armed forces
2. any encroachment or intrusion: an invasion of rats.
3. the onset or advent of something harmful, esp of a disease
4. (Pathology) pathol the spread of cancer from its point of origin into surrounding tissues
5. (Botany) the movement of plants to a new area or to an area to which they are not native

Supporting an insurrection from behind the scenes is a far cry from waging an open war with regular troops.

We did plenty of open war against regular troops.