Things are heating up in the Donbass
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spat
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We deal with problems.
But we don't claim territory.
Putin was planning on establishing an independent government in Donbass when he was done, right ? And if they voted to re-join Ukraine, he'd let them, right ?
Mexico would disagree and yes we also invade countries that are far away and don't pose any threat to us.
spat
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What Mexican territory have we conquered lately?
We bought most of what we have that used to be Mexico.
Except Texas, but we didn't exactly conquer that.
Basically, imperialism is a no go since WWII.
Very few nations have tried it at all.
Saddam tried it, and got his ass kicked by the entire planet.
Putin should have gotten the same treatment the first time he tried to grab one of his neighbors.
Would have saved millions of lives.
spat
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If that's what it takes.
If your neighbors keep putting bullets through the wall of your house, how many of your kids need to be killed before you stop playing nice ?
holdover
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August 13, 2025
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
TRT Afrika - Netanyahu vows to pursue 'historic and spiritual mission' for 'Greater Israel' plan
Israeli premier reaffirms attachment to expansionist ideology as genocide in Gaza intensifies.
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spat
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Now show it with the real map he held up.August 13, 2025
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is on a "historic and spiritual mission" and feels "very" attached to the vision of so-called ‘Greater Israel’, which includes territories earmarked for the Palestinian state and potentially parts of present-day Jordan and Egypt.
Netanyahu and Israeli officials have made clear their intention of annexing and taking over all of what remains of historic Palestine. Netanyahu has previously shown maps at the UN and in presentations that show the occupied West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza entirely absorbed into Israel.
He has also reiterated his intention to carry out a plan to totally take over Gaza and forcibly expel Palestinians from the Strip. His cabinet’s Gaza City invasion proposal is seemingly aimed at moving into the final stages of that plan, with Netanyahu mobilizing his government behind it.
TRT Afrika - Netanyahu vows to pursue 'historic and spiritual mission' for 'Greater Israel' plan
Israeli premier reaffirms attachment to expansionist ideology as genocide in Gaza intensifies.
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With Egypt still Egypt, Jordan still Jordan, and Saudi Arabia still Saudi Arabia.
Only thing missing is Palestine. And since there has *never* been a nation of Palestine there ever, I don't think you can even call it missing.
Imagine if the Sinaloa cartel declared that mexican state independent, and spend 50 years lobbing rockets into Mexico. Then Mexico decided enough was enough and just killed them all.
That's what this is like.
holdover
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That is the real map. read up on greater Isreal .
en.wikipedia.org
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
Proposed inclusion of areas beyond the borders of the Mandate
Some on the Israeli far right advocate for a “Greater Israel” that includes territories outside the historical Palestinian Mandate. Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has suggested that Israel is destined to expand to include Jordan, and even beyond, to parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Iraq. On Sunday, March 19, 2023, Smotrich gave a speech in Paris while standing at a podium that featured a map of Israel including Jordan and the occupied West Bank. During the speech he claimed that Palestinian people were “an invention.”[34] In a documentary film by Arte in 2024, Smotrich said “it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus.”[35][36] This view has support in some parts of Israeli society. Israel’s incursions into Jordan and Syria has intensified international concerns that some actors in Israel are pursuing expansion into other countries.[37]
Greater Israel - Wikipedia
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
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spat
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So, some fringe groups shitposting.That is the real map. read up on greater Isreal .
Proposed inclusion of areas beyond the borders of the Mandate
Some on the Israeli far right advocate for a “Greater Israel” that includes territories outside the historical Palestinian Mandate. Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has suggested that Israel is destined to expand to include Jordan, and even beyond, to parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and even Iraq. On Sunday, March 19, 2023, Smotrich gave a speech in Paris while standing at a podium that featured a map of Israel including Jordan and the occupied West Bank. During the speech he claimed that Palestinian people were “an invention.”[34] In a documentary film by Arte in 2024, Smotrich said “it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus.”[35][36] This view has support in some parts of Israeli society. Israel’s incursions into Jordan and Syria has intensified international concerns that some actors in Israel are pursuing expansion into other countries.[37]
Greater Israel - Wikipedia
IDF soldier with greater Isreal patch, take a look at the map.
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The difference is the groups in Palestine that post maps without any Isreal at all, are the ones running the place.
If you read the "greater Isreal" wiki that *you* linked, it's quite clear that it *doesn't* include any areas that are currently claimed by Jordan *or* Egypt.
holdover
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Fringe groups like Benjamin Netanyahu addressing the UN about greater Isreal. You think this some kind of bullshit story cooked up by hamas? Take a hard fucking look at that map .
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Anyone following the story of a bunch of Russian drones crossing into Poland, and Poland/nato shooting some down?
This has potential for escalations. Worth keeping an eye on. The tension is increasing not decreasing
This has potential for escalations. Worth keeping an eye on. The tension is increasing not decreasing
holdover
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Heard about it, but doesn't make a lot of sense,my radar is on.
Anything is possible. Polish military did fight in this conflict and participated in Kursk invasion, I doubt Russia will just let this go. All missiles that attack Russian cities go through Poland. Russia will deal with this sooner or later.
NATO's war against Russia, using Ukraine to hide direct involvement, has to stop.
NATO's war against Russia, using Ukraine to hide direct involvement, has to stop.
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spat
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How exactly would Russia "deal with this" ?
I can't imagine a response that wouldn't end very badly for them.
Plausible deniability works both ways.
Protest march in Warsaw against Polish pro-war policy in Ukraine.
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U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg Says President Trump Has Authorized NATO Strikes Against Moscow
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia.To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member states to deploy offensive missile systems into non-NATO Ukraine, provided by the U.S. In the latest development, U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine General Keith Kellogg has announced Ukraine has the authority to launch those missile systems deep into Russia, including Moscow.
U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg Says President Trump Has Authorized NATO Strikes Against Moscow - The Last Refuge
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia. To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member...
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Bessie2003
September 29, 2025 4:11 am
The gentleman uses a whole lot of “I think” and “I believe” wiggle words in his responses – so either he was purposefully tasked with providing innuendo on national networks for some strategic negotiating purpose meant for a specific nation’s ears, or. he wish-casting out of turn and so soon be the ‘former’ special envoy to Ukraine.
Either way, not good.
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U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg Says President Trump Has Authorized NATO Strikes Against Moscow
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia.
To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member states to deploy offensive missile systems into non-NATO Ukraine, provided by the U.S. In the latest development, U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine General Keith Kellogg has announced Ukraine has the authority to launch those missile systems deep into Russia, including Moscow.
U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg Says President Trump Has Authorized NATO Strikes Against Moscow - The Last Refuge
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia. To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member...
From the comments section
Bessie2003
September 29, 2025 4:11 am
The gentleman uses a whole lot of “I think” and “I believe” wiggle words in his responses – so either he was purposefully tasked with providing innuendo on national networks for some strategic negotiating purpose meant for a specific nation’s ears, or. he wish-casting out of turn and so soon be the ‘former’ special envoy to Ukraine.
Either way, not good.
Just for the record Ukraine doesn't have the ability to launch those missiles, it will be done by NATO personnel. This means a direct war.
U.S. is a major member of NATO.
Strategic defeat of Russia failed on the battlefield. There will be no strategic defeat of Russia at the negotiating table. Kellogg can drown in his wet dream.
livingston
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“The Truth Is Coming Out”… Russian President’s Special Envoy: Biden “Provoked the War in Ukraine to Cover Up His Family’s Corruption”
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s envoy Kirill Dmitriev told reporters former US President Joe Biden “provoked the war in Ukraine to cover up his family’s corruption.”Kirill added, “The truth is coming out and justice must follow.”
"The Truth Is Coming Out"... Russian President's Special Envoy: Biden "Provoked the War in Ukraine to Cover Up His Family's Corruption" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The entire world knew Joe Biden was corrupt and conflicted.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
spat
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Why would you think Ukraine can't launch the missiles ?
They're a fully modern nation. They have their own domestic missile programs. They could probably build ICBMs if they wanted.
I've been reading that Russian petroleum refining capabilities are down like 30%.
Thats enormous.
That's a bigger impact to Russia than them losing 10,000 guys in battle.
For anyone not looking at the big picture strategic view, the secondary effects to Russia and the Russian economy are what would likely cause them to over react and do something in retaliation to NATO.
It's a huge strategic and economic problem for Russia that they are dealing with right now and I'm sure behind closed doors they're livid and very uneasy.
It's these type of actions that will cause nations to believe ww3 is their least worse option, because "we have to do something" is always present.
Thats enormous.
That's a bigger impact to Russia than them losing 10,000 guys in battle.
For anyone not looking at the big picture strategic view, the secondary effects to Russia and the Russian economy are what would likely cause them to over react and do something in retaliation to NATO.
It's a huge strategic and economic problem for Russia that they are dealing with right now and I'm sure behind closed doors they're livid and very uneasy.
It's these type of actions that will cause nations to believe ww3 is their least worse option, because "we have to do something" is always present.
spat
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Yea, I trust an MSN "expert" about as much as the horoscope next to the comics in the Sunday paper.
If we're giving them Tomahawks, we'll give them the launch platform.
U.S. missiles, U.S. launching platform, U.S. command and control needed to operate these. What will be the Ukrainian role? To stand by and yell "Slava Ukraine"?
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This war is still going???
spat
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Missiles we sell someone aren't US missiles.
Unless you're saying every time some sand weasel anywhere in the world fires a Russian S-3/4/500 at one of our planes, we should have treated that as an attack by Russia on the US and just eliminated all their air defense worldwide ?
We would supply missiles, launching platforms and personnel. Sale would only be a meaningless cover story which will mean nothing to Kremlin's decision on response. We got away with crossing all previous red lines, our own red lines and Russian red lines. Russia compensated for it with more of Ukrainian territory. They prioritized that instead of expending the conflict and this worked well for them. If they are attacked with tomahawks and it has a devastating effect and rise of internal criticism of restraint , all bets are off.
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