Thwarting the Surveillance State

[Catskillkid]

How to Disappear - CityLab - Pocket

This is from the Atlantic (a liberal rag) so YMMV, but it does offer some options to keep the surveillance state at bay. Albeit they are all imperfect solutions. The big takeaway is that if you live in a city, particularly big dense cities like NYC, they're you're being watched and there's not much you can do about it.

Anyone else have any tips?

 

[spat]

How to Disappear - CityLab - Pocket

This is from the Atlantic (a liberal rag) so YMMV, but it does offer some options to keep the surveillance state at bay. Albeit they are all imperfect solutions. The big takeaway is that if you live in a city, particularly big dense cities like NYC, they're you're being watched and there's not much you can do about it.

Anyone else have any tips?

Eliminate 90% of the federal government and break up the big tech monopolies ? Expand HIPPA to include non medical personal data ?

Or were you looking for something more personal ?

 

[Catskillkid]

Eliminate 90% of the federal government and break up the big tech monopolies ? Expand HIPPA to include non medical personal data ?

Or were you looking for something more personal ?

Wasn't really looking for anything in particular. Just to start a discussion. I like your points though!

 

[99cummins]

We are the surveillance state. No need for gov agents when many people will share and document every detail of their lives.

 

[tirwin1]

If you have a cell phone you are an active participant in the surveillance state. Like it or not.

 

[SomeSoldier]

If you have a cell phone you are an active participant in the surveillance state. Like it or not.

This will continue to be the case until a linux based OS comes out for a phone.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Get rid of a smart phone
Get rid of social media
Wear sunglasses and hats when in public
Avoid cities
I would say don't drive (because your license plates are being constantly read and tracked) but this step is impractical for many

 

[SomeSoldier]

Over 800 plate readers in WNY.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Over 800 plate readers in WNY.

Our daily habits, travel patterns and whereabouts are tracked more than we realize.

 

[SomeSoldier]

There is a central intelligence hub in Buffalo. They have the ability to monitors social media, every camera and plate reader in the state.

 

[tirwin1]

There is a central intelligence hub in Buffalo. They have the ability to monitors social media, every camera and plate reader in the state.

Interesting. Where exactly?

 

[SomeSoldier]

Interesting. Where exactly?

Some where near police hq. I dont know for sure, the guy who runs it was my professor.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

These people must get awful bored, tracking me to the store and back for a 6 pack and some chew.

 

[SomeSoldier]

All the data is stored in a searchable database.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

One more great reason to move to the hills in KY.

 

[tirwin1]

These people must get awful bored, tracking me to the store and back for a 6 pack and some chew.

You aren't being actively tracked but as some soldier said it all goes into a database. If for any reason the govt decides you are a person of interest all that history is retrieved and then you are actually tracked in real time.

 

[GOPerfect]

Not filmed in the US, but things are the same here.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[SmallGameAddict]

You aren't being actively tracked but as some soldier said it all goes into a database. If for any reason the govt decides you are a person of interest all that history is retrieved and then you are actually tracked in real time.

I understand that.

So let's say I jump on the interstate to physically view a home I'm interested in purchasing in KY. And there's license plate trackers that record my trip. And back.

So what.

I'm an American citizen, an adult, and their mistake is thinking I owe them an explanation about anything.

I made a peaceful trip for a perfectly legimate reason.

They got a lot of bigger fish to fry than me. I'm just an old retired guy looking to relocate where I'm not being sucked dry with taxes, which are being used for purposes I don't agree with, and I'm sick of living in a nanny state.

 

[Robin]

If I close my eyes they can't see me.

Robin

 

[FrankenCub]

This will continue to be the case until a linux based OS comes out for a phone.

Until a refined Linux based OS is released. Theres an OS available but it's not nearly what they want yet. I have been tempted to try it on my Galaxy S9 when I upgrade to a newer one in a few months.

 

[spat]

This will continue to be the case until a linux based OS comes out for a phone.

You mean like Android ?

It's all Linux under the hood.

Most of the tracking stuff is built into the firmware, or on the provider side though, so no matter what you do to the phone OS it won't help.

The FCC *requires* the phones to send the GPS data to the providers. It's built right into the hardware. You would not be allowed to operate a phone in the US that didn't do that, even if you built it yourself and the cell provider wanted to let you.

Supposedly this is for better 911 service. Sure seems like something you should be able to opt out of, but that's not allowed.

In fact if you buy one of the micro cells that use a wired internet connection for backhaul, *they* have a built in GPS, and if they can't get a signal for some reason they won't operate until you provide the coordinates it is installed at to the service provider.

So even your private cellphone operating in a cave to your private cell tower with internet backhaul *still* needs to report your location, by law.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Right, but with Linux, I would think that it will be easy to people to figure out how to turn it off and be able to find any unknown programs or hardware built into the phone. I mean like a full linux distro, ubuntu, centos, not something google owns.

 

[HIghlander]

I grew up with a neighbor lady who used to watch all of us kids in the neighborhood then call each ones parents and give reports on what we did at the bus stop or around the neighborhood. We learned how to circumvent her prying eyes and mouthy banter. Used to piss her off. We had practice growing up on that stuff.

 

[spat]

Right, but with Linux, I would think that it will be easy to people to figure out how to turn it off and be able to find any unknown programs or hardware built into the phone. I mean like a full linux distro, ubuntu, centos, not something google owns.

It's built into the hardware of the radio chips. You can't turn it off. Not without your own chip foundry.

 

[tirwin1]

I understand that.

So let's say I jump on the interstate to physically view a home I'm interested in purchasing in KY. And there's license plate trackers that record my trip. And back.

So what.

I'm an American citizen, an adult, and their mistake is thinking I owe them an explanation about anything.

I made a peaceful trip for a perfectly legimate reason.

They got a lot of bigger fish to fry than me. I'm just an old retired guy looking to relocate where I'm not being sucked dry with taxes, which are being used for purposes I don't agree with, and I'm sick of living in a nanny state.

Yes and no. If the democrats get back in power they may have the FBI develop a behavior based model that targets those likely to become political problems. Posting on firearms boards, party registration, and even travel patterns could be variables in the model. It's a brave New world.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Yes and no. If the democrats get back in power they may have the FBI develop a behavior based model that targets those likely to become political problems. Posting on firearms boards, party registration, and even travel patterns could be variables in the model. It's a brave New world.

And I might die tomorrow instead of the 20 years more I hoped for.

 

[Jmac00]

its not that hard to disappear. stop using the internet, get rid of your cell phone, steal someones identity and you're good to go, oh and work with cash only, no credit cards, unless the card is someone else's identity , LOL


oh ya, look up the use of the "STINGRAY" by Law enforcement ~~~ yup, WE ARE FUCKED !!!

 

[FrankenCub]

It's built into the hardware of the radio chips. You can't turn it off. Not without your own chip foundry.

The GPS part of the chip only receives the signals, they still need firmware to control the outgoing "message" from the phone. You cant shut down the GPS it self but with the proper APK toolkit to work in Android or knowledge of Linux, when they release a stable OS, you can disable the sending side of the firmware. I havent worked in Android in a long time, I bet 12 years, so I'd be lost lol. Linux however, I could probably dig around in the OS and find it and shut it down with some experimenting. It cant transmit the GPS info it that part of the firmware has been deleted, or "#" out.
Nice thing about Linux is if you mess up you can reinstall. You mess up with Android and you brick your phone. BTDT with a tablet.