Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Have him get his restrictions removed in NYS. No restrictions now with Brien and no for cause needed for a full carry permit.
Time for My PA Non-Resident
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The Mrs. and I just got back from getting our non resident permits from Montrose PA / Susquehanna county . I gotta say it was one of the fastest and easiest pistol permit transactions that I have ever done. It literally took a total of 15 min. , start to finish and it took that long only because they were having a bit of an issue with their printer !
We spent the rest of the afternoon looking at a couple of houses that were for sale in the area , had a late lunch and drove back.
We spent the rest of the afternoon looking at a couple of houses that were for sale in the area , had a late lunch and drove back.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
VERY interesting. I see they have a new sheriff, it sounds like this one may be better at following the law than the old one.
I first obtained my LTCF from Susquehanna County in 2011, no issues. When I went in to renew in 2016, their webpage stated that they were no longer accepting non-resident applications, in clear violation of the law. I contacted an attorney and formulated a plan of action.
When I went to the sheriff's office to apply for renewal, they refused to allow me into the building. I explained that I was renewing and that convinced the deputy to let me through, but the office then refused to accept my application. I requested to discuss this with the sheriff, Lance Benedict.
I explained to the sheriff that he was required by law to accept non-resident applications and that I was prepared to follow through. He shrugged, but then asked that I wait a bit before taking action, that he had something in the works with my county's sheriff (Broome County). I stated that I would look forward to hearing from him.
Two weeks later, the sheriff called me and invited me to come down for renewal. He had set something up with Broome County and was now accepting non-resident applications, but only from Broome County. In other words, he had basically taken away my standing to sue him into complying with the law. I then created this thread on the other forum, offering to fund a lawsuit from a person outside of Broome County, but no one took me up on the offer (not that I can blame them). (That link also contains the full story in more detail).
Fast-forward to 2021, when I was again up for renewal. I was allowed in the office to apply, but when presented with the application, they also handed me two additional forms, asking questions like where I worked and where I'd lived over the past 10 years. Which, once again, is explicitly prohibited by PA law. I refused to fill out the forms and had yet another sit-down with the sheriff. I was not nearly as cordial this time, stating that I expected him to follow the law in the same way that he expected me to do so. I showed him the law that prohibited him from requiring additional forms.
Dude was mad, but he knew I was right, so he told his deputies to accept my application and process my renewal, which they did right away. But, two weeks later, he had his deputies call my references - the first time they'd ever done so in my three rounds of applications and renewals. Clearly an attempt at fishing out a way to retaliate.
Anyway, I was looking forward to my 2026 renewal, to see what other violations of the law the sheriff had come up with, but I have moved and will now be applying to a different county. Very glad to hear the new sheriff is better at following the law.
Vapor
.308 Win
Our sheriff is John Oliver now.
I personally had a very easy time with Lance, but I was a pa resident.
I personally had a very easy time with Lance, but I was a pa resident.
Brawny71
.44 mag
I got mine in Warren. Easy, cheap, friendly. Mostly did the paperwork online and just had to go for a picture, pay, and pickup.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Miine and Butterfly's is through Lancaster Co, think Wilkes Barre / Scranton. They do not issue new out of state as a rule but will do renewals.
Last year they renewed mine and issued Butterfly a new LTC.
Last year they renewed mine and issued Butterfly a new LTC.
I think that you meant Lackawanna county. Lancaster co. Is way down by the Maryland state border.Miine and Butterfly's is through Lancaster Co, think Wilkes Barre / Scranton. They do not issue new out of state as a rule but will do renewals.
Last year they renewed mine and issued Butterfly a new LTC.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Oops!
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
IIRC, PA does not honor non-resident licenses from other states. Maybe that's changed, and of course you can still car-carry on your NY license and open carry outside of your car. One other thing to note, the easiest way to gain exemption from Gun-Free School Zone laws is to possess a license from the state you are in. And, frankly, it's hard to travel anywhere without going through a GFSZ.
They did at one time but I believe that changed a few years back with the unfortunate election of a new state attorney general.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
Correct, though it was more like a decade-plus ago. I don't know if it has changed back since then, but I highly doubt it.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I will be going to do mine soon. I think me and some buddies are heading to McKean county to do it.
Anyone know of any gun shops down there for bootleg ammo?
Anyone know of any gun shops down there for bootleg ammo?
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
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Elk County Ammo & Arms in St.Mary's is worth stopping at. It's a little further south of Smethport, but not terribly far.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
He was the guy on here for a while right? Great suggestion and I think we will travel to them.
All this time, I thought that you had to renew at the county that issued the original license. I renewed in Adams County, quick and easy but would like other closer alternatives than a 3 hour drive.
This might be helpfuf: https://handgunlaw.us/documents/Pennsylvania_County_Sheriffs.pdf
Pike County for the next renewal!
This might be helpfuf: https://handgunlaw.us/documents/Pennsylvania_County_Sheriffs.pdf
Pike County for the next renewal!
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Good choice. Remember to check earlier posts on parking and leaving cell phones in your car.
You can apply online in Warren Co, right down the road from you. I believe you need to go pick it up in person though. It costs $26 to do it online. Then you can stop at "Tall Tails", which is a decent gun/outdoors shop about 4 miles from the Sheriff's office. Warren Co is extremely pro gun, and they have never even called my references. Of course, either did Chautauqua Co when I got my NY permit years ago. I live about 10 miles from Tall Tails, so you can stop here too!
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Here is some NYS crap for you.
Ive NEVER recieved notice from NYS when my recertification is due.
But, Warren Co PA ALWAYS sends a letter in the mail 2 months before its due to expire, with a QR code to do it online. And an email 1 month before its due just to remind you.
Mine was due May 20, 2026. I would probably have forgot about it, but got the letter in early March 2026, and the email in mid April.
Ive NEVER recieved notice from NYS when my recertification is due.
But, Warren Co PA ALWAYS sends a letter in the mail 2 months before its due to expire, with a QR code to do it online. And an email 1 month before its due just to remind you.
Mine was due May 20, 2026. I would probably have forgot about it, but got the letter in early March 2026, and the email in mid April.
Vapor
.308 Win
Oliver had no problem giving one to my brother from Otsego county btw.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
References for PA LTCF are now optional. I was kind of disappointed that I am no longer near Susquehanna County, as I was sure the sheriff would still be trying to require them and I'd have to argue with him a third time to get him to follow the damn law.
(The sheriff retired, though, so maybe the new one is better about following the law).
I don't think anyone from ECA&A was ever a member here, but it's possible.
Vapor
.308 Win
Yes Lance retired. It's John Oliver now.
I think Benedict was just salty with NYS for some reason. He didn't much about my references when I applied as a pa resident.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Same here. Benedict issued my LTCF, references were glanced and never contacted.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
On my initial application (2011), references were never called (not sure if he was the sheriff then).
On my first renewal (2016), his deputies refused to allow me in the door since I was a non-resident. I worked my way in, explained to him how he was violating the law by refusing to accept my application, and assured him that I would follow up in court if necessary. He called me two weeks later and invited me to come down and renew, and changed his unlawful actions ever so slightly (only accepting non-res applications from Broome), effectively removing my standing to sue him into compliance. My references were not called.
On my second renewal (2021), he unlawfully required applicants to fill out employment and residence information on an additional form. I refused, as the law very clearly states that the LTCF application can only consist of the form provided by PSP. Again we went back to his office and discussed it. The conversation was civil enough, but he was beet-faced mad about it. He marched me back to the main office, tossed the application at his clerks and told them to process it without the unlawful form, and stomped off. My new LTCF was issued that day. But... two weeks later he called my references. Yet another violation of the law (the law states that the license is to be issued after any investigation, which implies but admittedly does not directly state that an investigation can continue after issuance)... but more importantly, a seemingly clear and obvious act of retaliation - attempting to find something that would enable him to revoke my LTCF. Particularly given that he very rarely, if ever, contacted references.
I will say this - Lance was sufficiently cordial in his interactions with me. But he repeatedly and consistently attempted to expand his authority in ways explicitly prohibited by law. I'd much rather have a rude sheriff who follows the law than a cordial one who doesn't.
I don't think it's too much to ask law enforcement officers - particularly chief law enforcement officers - to follow the law.
I'm sure I didn't do anything to improve his opinion of NY residents. But, you know what? Fuck him. Him any any sheriff, deputy, officer, or trooper that refuses to follow the law.
I hope John Oliver does better, but I've got a new sheriff to deal with. He's also doing the unlawful "only accepting non-res applicaitons from the neighboring NY county" bullshit, so I was expecting to have to deal with this crap again, but nothing yet. We'll see what 2031 brings.