Trump moves to ban most transgender people from serving in military

[Darth]

This is not about feelings at all. Yeah, I have zero use for these freaks. That is well known, but I have seen first hand what they do in regards to deployments, unit cohesion and overall combat readiness. You have not seen it. Yeah, I went there.

You are the one who injects feelings, you feel they they should be allowed, but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

You have not witnessed the negative that is involved. Sorry, you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Oh this old trope.

Actually, I have been there as well. I did 16 tours with the SAS. I lost my right eye and left foot.

"No you didn't."

Why not? If we can just make up baseless emotional shit, then yes, yes I did.

 

[Darth]

Darth, this is not a question "attaboys"or likes or dislikes, this is a question of military effectiveness. The responses of the people above who have been in the military should provide you some perspective, but if they are insufficiently persuasive for you, maybe this individual can...

I Was a Transgender Soldier. Gender Dysphoria Poses Real Problems for the Military.

Please cite your studies proving that forcing the military to adopt various SJW causes is increasing force readiness for combat activities rather than leading to deliberate degradation of our military capabilities.

You're close, but you missed it by a hair. Here is where you went off track:

Please cite your studies proving that forcing the military to adopt various SJW causes is increasing force readiness for combat activities rather than leading to deliberate degradation of our military capabilities.

You asked me to cite a claim that I am not making. I never, at any point, claimed or even referenced an increase in force readiness.

My stance is that there is no articulateable reason that these individuals should not be allowed to join.

So far we've had literally nothing but attaboys (check the likes on the posts) and "personal stories ."

"You've never served, so you don't know that..."

I've never been a mass murderer either, but I still know it's wrong.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I am of the opinion that anecdotal evidence is better than no evidence.

 

[GOPerfect]

One of the biggest reasons the US is so screwed up is because people make decisions based on feelings and not on real life. Keep going, you are on a role.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am of the opinion that anecdotal evidence is better than no evidence.

I am a really big fan of first person experience as well. I like to listen to those who have had real life interactions with the issues.

I like to listen to those that have first hand knowledge, not someone who understands nothing about the real world.

 

[Airborneguy]

Why would any of you argue military issues with someone who never served? They know nothing about it, zero. Stop wasting time.

 

[GOPerfect]

Why would any of you argue military issues with someone who never served? They know nothing about it, zero. Stop wasting time.

As usual, you are correct!

 

[ProgSpear]

Darth, I respect your fiercely libertarian views, but you are raising the argument that I am some kind of bigot because I do not believe the purpose of the military is to cater to the latest SJW cause.

My contention is that the military exists to protect our national security, and any actions that degrade or impede that readiness is wrong, and to be avoided, regardless of the source.

And I’m offended by your micro aggressive implication that I am bigoted. Go to your safe space and think about what you did.

 

[CaseHardened]

STRAIGHT TO DARTH...

I've said it before.

I could not possibly care less what any adult does with any other adult on their own time. It's all good.

But a person that is unable to identify what is between their legs is FUCKED UP.

And - I don't know that you even disagree with this.

And if you DO....

You remain a CITIZEN who treasures his SECOND ADMENDMENT CIVIL RIGHT !

As long as you do, you remain a comrade of mine. As far as I'm concerned.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Darth, have you ever gone over 30 days without a shower? Have you ever been forced to wear a helmet and protective gear non stop for days at a time? Have you ever been so stressed the fuck out from lack of sleep for weeks at time where if you get 4 full hours in one night it's a luxury? Have you ever seen the toughest mentally fit guy you know crack from being on constant edge where he cannot function in society?

A mentally ill man pumped up on estrogen cannot handle those things. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You think the military is just suiting up at your leisure prior to a mission and going out at your own pace like in the video games.

You don't know shit. It isn't a homophobic thing. There are lots of healthy, regular gay men that do the job. The stresses of military life (especially in combat) only cater to those of a strong mind. That strong mind can be one of a straight or gay man or woman. Not of someone who is mentally ill whether straight or transgendered.

 

[CaseHardened]

Darth, have you ever gone over 30 days without a shower? Have you ever been forced to wear a helmet and protective gear non stop for days at a time? Have you ever been so stressed the fuck out from lack of sleep for weeks at time where if you get 4 full hours in one night it's a luxury? Have you ever seen the toughest mentally fit guy you know crack from being on constant edge where he cannot function in society?

A mentally ill man pumped up on estrogen cannot handle those things. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You think the military is just suiting up at your leisure prior to a mission and going out at your own pace like in the video games.

You don't know shit. It isn't a homophobic thing. There are lots of healthy, regular gay men that do the job. The stresses of military life (especially in combat) only cater to those of a strong mind. That strong mind can be one of a straight or gay man or woman. Not of someone who is mentally ill whether straight or transgendered.

As a lifetime straight I am pleased as shit I was never tested as you describe.

Perhaps I could have handled it - I'm pretty sure my ancestors (ROMAN SOLDIERS - yes, they infested Britain) could - and did.

But FUCK.

No thanks.