Trump's "listening session" on guns, not what the grabbers expected

[SmallGameAddict]

Yes, but unfortunately we don't respond that way to the internal crisis tearing apart the best nation on this planet. Instead each tribe tries to preserve it's little cut of the nation from the encroachment of the others, whether real or perceived. We need not see color or creed ever, but with the self serving political class it is all we are allowed to see, that and all the other foolish labels and contrived special titles.

Because with all the technology available today, someone's done the math already, and they have figured out what they need to win elections, and where. Cracks me up, and I'm eternally grateful, that both the Dems and Repubs never took Trump seriously, and quite foolishly never factored him into the equation.

 

[carpediem]

Because with all the technology available today, someone's done the math already, and they have figured out what they need to win elections, and where. Cracks me up, and I'm eternally grateful, that both the Dems and Repubs never took Trump seriously, and quite foolishly never factored him into the equation.

He isn't able to be factored into an equation because he has no predictable course of action. He is the eternal x in their perfect algorithm.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Because with all the technology available today, someone's done the math already, and they have figured out what they need to win elections, and where. Cracks me up, and I'm eternally grateful, that both the Dems and Repubs never took Trump seriously, and quite foolishly never factored him into the equation.

"...fool me twice...can't be fooled again."

 

[SmallGameAddict]

He isn't able to be factored into an equation because he has no predictable course of action. He is the eternal x in their perfect algorithm.

Exactly. He's actually an independent that was smart enough to run as a major party candidate. We watched Ross Perot get shot down in flames, and Trump was paying attention with keen interest. I'm 57. I'll be dead in 20 years. Sit back and enjoy every minute of the show. You will never see this again in your lifetime.

 

[GOPerfect]

I was going to start a new thread, but fuck it. I'll post here.

I have this entire week off from work. I have been running around all week, doing this, that and the other. I just needed a break form work. Been doing "Me" things. Going to the gym for hours at a time. Wash and vacuumed the Jeep. Rotated tires. In the morning, I am going shooting for a while. Yesterday I got a new tattoo. You know, Me things.

So anyway, during my adventures, I have been looking at things and paying closer attention to stuff that I normally don't see. Paying a bit more attention to the news that I here and read.

I gotta tell you, I am beyond fed up with nearly all of it. Sure, we can bitch back and forth about these fucking Bump Stocks, or what new laws should or should not be passed. I just don't think I care. Society does not care. Look at the people all around us, no one cares about anything unless it DIRECTLY effects them. This School shooting? Americans really don't care. The news makes it seem like we all care, but we don't.

The Los Vegas shooting, not even a blip anymore. Sandy hook gets talked about, only when another school gets shot up. No one cares. We had a bunch of Congressmen get shot at; nope, no one cares anymore.

The school district that I am in is talking about replacing the Turf on the Football field, again. It was just changed in 2015. They say it is going to cost a couple of million dollars to change it out. As I drive around, our streets are FULL of car wrecking potholes. Do we fix them? Nope, we decide to spend millions on a GD football field!

While at the Gym today, (there is a pool as well, I saw a women get lectured because she was wearing "Street Cloths" while watching her kids poolside. Yep, against the pool rules, she was more than fine with it and moved to an enclosed area that still allowed her to watch her kids play. About 25 feet away, there was another women, she too was wearing "Street Cloths". Nothing was said to her. None of this was my concern, but I was in a mood and decided to question why one was asked to leave and not the other. The employee that I asked said that he did not want to approach the second women for fear a scene may rise up. I asked why would it be different. You see the second woman was Muslim. He did not want her to feel out of place. I wanted so badly to make it an issue, I bit my tongue and left the area.

This is yet another example of why we are losing ourselves.

After the gym, I went to the grocery store to pick up some potatoes for dinner, I made an awesome tasting Turkey! I went to the self check out and watch a woman, not sure her nationality, yelling at the girl who was working. I eavesdropped, and found out the reason this girl was being yelled at was because the customer could not read English and did not understand how the machine worked! Are you fucking kidding me?


This, plus more is why I Do not give a rats ass about Bump stocks!

Rant off.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I was going to start a new thread, but fuck it. I'll post here.

I have this entire week off from work. I have been running around all week, doing this, that and the other. I just needed a break form work. Been doing "Me" things. Going to the gym for hours at a time. Wash and vacuumed the Jeep. Rotated tires. In the morning, I am going shooting for a while. Yesterday I got a new tattoo. You know, Me things.

So anyway, during my adventures, I have been looking at things and paying closer attention to stuff that I normally don't see. Paying a bit more attention to the news that I here and read.

I gotta tell you, I am beyond fed up with nearly all of it. Sure, we can bitch back and forth about these fucking Bump Stocks, or what new laws should or should not be passed. I just don't think I care. Society does not care. Look at the people all around us, no one cares about anything unless it DIRECTLY effects them. This School shooting? Americans really don't care. The news makes it seem like we all care, but we don't.

The Los Vegas shooting, not even a blip anymore. Sandy hook gets talked about, only when another school gets shot up. No one cares. We had a bunch of Congressmen get shot at; nope, no one cares anymore.

The school district that I am in is talking about replacing the Turf on the Football field, again. It was just changed in 2015. They say it is going to cost a couple of million dollars to change it out. As I drive around, our streets are FULL of car wrecking potholes. Do we fix them? Nope, we decide to spend millions on a GD football field!

While at the Gym today, (there is a pool as well, I saw a women get lectured because she was wearing "Street Cloths" while watching her kids poolside. Yep, against the pool rules, she was more than fine with it and moved to an enclosed area that still allowed her to watch her kids play. About 25 feet away, there was another women, she too was wearing "Street Cloths". Nothing was said to her. None of this was my concern, but I was in a mood and decided to question why one was asked to leave and not the other. The employee that I asked said that he did not want to approach the second women for fear a scene may rise up. I asked why would it be different. You see the second woman was Muslim. He did not want her to feel out of place. I wanted so badly to make it an issue, I bit my tongue and left the area.

This is yet another example of why we are losing ourselves.

After the gym, I went to the grocery store to pick up some potatoes for dinner, I made an awesome tasting Turkey! I went to the self check out and watch a woman, not sure her nationality, yelling at the girl who was working. I eavesdropped, and found out the reason this girl was being yelled at was because the customer could not read English and did not understand how the machine worked! Are you fucking kidding me?


This, plus more is why I Do not give a rats ass about Bump stocks!

Rant off.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

A) you're mostly right, but I care about my country B) feel better now?

 

[GOPerfect]

A) you're mostly right, but I care about my country B) feel better now?

I do feel better, maybe a bit anyway. I am right. I usually am, not being a dick about that. I care deeply about my Country. Deeper than most I know.

You said, mostly right, what am I wrong about? Engaging in a conversation, not starting an internet fight

 

[Uzi]

"...fool me twice...can't be fooled again."

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I do feel better, maybe a bit anyway. I am right. I usually am, not being a dick about that. I care deeply about my Country. Deeper than most I know.

You said, mostly right, what am I wrong about? Engaging in a conversation, not starting an internet fight

Because some, like us, do care. And if we vote, like most don't, we get to decide their future, instead of them deciding ours.

 

[Wildman1024]

It's horseshit is what it is! It's not about the "bumpstocks" or "trigger cranks" etc. You are all being scammed. It's leaving the door open to ban semi autos or make them so useless no one will have one. It's called "RATE INCREASING DEVICES"!!!!!

What is a rate increasing device???? Well it could be a magazine over 5 rounds. It could be a muzzle break. It could be that 3.5lb target trigger. All this is, is a way to define semi auto rate, Label things as making a machine gun and move forward with banning them. Its ingenious actually and lots of people are falling in line and are OK with the whole "sacrificial lamb" garbage.

I'm honestly disgusted right now!!!! Trump sold us down the road and it only took 1 year. You can forget about MAGA 2020 and better stock up on anything you want now because midterms and the next president are gonna be ROUGH.

 

[GOPerfect]

Because some, like us, do care. And if we vote, like most don't, we get to decide their future, instead of them deciding ours.

Okay, okay, you say you care. I am not doubting that at all. But what do you care about and why? Do you care that a school was shot up? Do you care about the kids killed or do you care that some stuff may be made unlawful?

Take 911, sure, many cared about it at the time. But now, nothing but a fleeting memory to most Americans. Without looking it up, I'll bet not many can name a child that was killed in Sandy Hook. Not one name is remember of the Oklahoma Federal Building.

Unless touched personally, most Americans just don't care, yeah, they say they do. But nothing changes, everything stays as the status quo.

 

[GOPerfect]

It's horseshit is what it is! It's not about the "bumpstocks" or "trigger cranks" etc. You are all being scammed. It's leaving the door open to ban semi autos or make them so useless no one will have one. It's called "RATE INCREASING DEVICES"!!!!!

What is a rate increasing device???? Well it could be a magazine over 5 rounds. It could be a muzzle break. It could be that 3.5lb target trigger. All this is, is a way to define semi auto rate, Label things as making a machine gun and move forward with banning them. Its ingenious actually and lots of people are falling in line and are OK with the whole "sacrificial lamb" garbage.

I'm honestly disgusted right now!!!! Trump sold us down the road and it only took 1 year. You can forget about MAGA 2020 and better stock up on anything you want now because midterms and the next president are gonna be ROUGH.

@Wildman1024 , I love when you come up and post! As I read your post, I could almost hear you yelling through the web. Not sure what your voice sounds like, but I was scared nonetheless.

 

[libertysnake]

For all this talk, let’s let his actions speak louder than our speculation. A man is no more than the sum of his actions. Without those, his word is useless.

We know where we stand. Time to find out where he truly stands.

 

[Wildman1024]

@Wildman1024 , I love when you come up and post! As I read your post, I could almost hear you yelling through the web. Not sure what your voice sounds like, but I was scared nonetheless.

I am pretty pissed off. This stuff just makes my blood boil. I don't understand why no one sees it and are so willing to give the left stuff when we never get anything in return. All they do is take and take and take and take. No one looks at the big picture! In 20 years I guarantee we will be in a really tight spot if not before then.

All everyone sees right now is "bump stock". No one is reading into anything. If this stuff goes through it leaves the door wide open to regulate anything semi auto as they see fit.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am pretty pissed off. This stuff just makes my blood boil. I don't understand why no one sees it and are so willing to give the left stuff when we never get anything in return. All they do is take and take and take and take. No one looks at the big picture! In 20 years I guarantee we will be in a really tight spot if not before then.

All everyone sees right now is "bump stock". No one is reading into anything. If this stuff goes through it leaves the door wide open to regulate anything semi auto as they see fit.

I agree, this is one of the reasons we are stuck with the SAFE Act. Most cannot see the forest through the trees. I would not be shocked if a few months ago, some here did not even know what a bump stock was. Now they are mad that they be a thing of the past.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It's horseshit is what it is! It's not about the "bumpstocks" or "trigger cranks" etc. You are all being scammed. It's leaving the door open to ban semi autos or make them so useless no one will have one. It's called "RATE INCREASING DEVICES"!!!!!

What is a rate increasing device???? Well it could be a magazine over 5 rounds. It could be a muzzle break. It could be that 3.5lb target trigger. All this is, is a way to define semi auto rate, Label things as making a machine gun and move forward with banning them. Its ingenious actually and lots of people are falling in line and are OK with the whole "sacrificial lamb" garbage.

I'm honestly disgusted right now!!!! Trump sold us down the road and it only took 1 year. You can forget about MAGA 2020 and better stock up on anything you want now because midterms and the next president are gonna be ROUGH.

Agree with everything but the selling us down the road, just yet. We will see pretty soon though I believe if he does.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

It was 1975. I was 15 years old. I read some discarded American Rifleman magazines. At the time, the 'bad guy' was hand guns. Over time, I became passionate about 2A rights. I was determined that when my kids got old enough, they too would be able to exercise their rights and walk into a gun shop and purchase a firearm. The most powerful voice I had was my vote. Cell phones, the internet, personal computers, cable and satellite tv did not exist. The fastest news was TV. CBS, NBC and ABC was all there was. Your other choices were newspapers and magazines. I became interested in politics, and the political direction and landscape. I love the USA because to this day if I get a wild hair up my ass, to this very day I can jump in my truck and drive to Texas, just because I want to, and don't get stopped at border checkpoints and have my papers and ID checked. I care about our freedom. There is no better country on earth, and nowhere else to go. The line in the sand is here, and now. I stand ready. If I can't be free, I'd rather be dead anyway. I do not seek conflict. I simply want to be left alone, and pursue happiness as I see fit. I have the right to do this. I'm not interfering with anyone else's rights, nor do I dictate what their happiness should or should not be.

 

[Wildman1024]

Agree with everything but the selling us down the road, just yet. We will see pretty soon though I believe if he does.

Not quite yet, but the seed is planted for sure. I can see it coming.

 

[libertysnake]

I agree, this is one of the reasons we are stuck with the SAFE Act. Most cannot see the forest through the trees. I would not be shocked if a few months ago, some here did not even know what a bump stock was. Now they are mad that they be a thing of the past.

Foresight is part of it. The other part is civil action, and organization. No one here wants to dedicate the time, or ingenuity, into properly organizing and making change happen.

 

[GOPerfect]

Foresight is part of it. The other part is civil action, and organization. No one here wants to dedicate the time, or ingenuity, into properly organizing and making change happen.

BINGO! Give that man a cigar!

 

[Dr. Evil]

I was listening to someone filling in today for Mark Levin. He brought up a good point. He talked about the education system since the department of education was enacted in the 80's. He said that these firearms have been around for so long and as well as gun free zones and there was never a school shooting before Columbine. What happened from Columbine on?

 

[CaseHardened]

Perhaps he's sacrificing the useless bump stock so that he can arm schools. Who knows.

THAT WORKS FOR ME

 

[CaseHardened]

Communist East Germany!

REAGAN ?

Loved him.

But he was NOTHING compared to TRUMP.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I was listening to someone filling in today for Mark Levin. He brought up a good point. He talked about the education system since the department of education was enacted in the 80's. He said that these firearms have been around for so long and as well as gun free zones and there was never a school shooting before Columbine. What happened from Columbine on?

Actually, that's not 100% accurate. Google Patrick Purdy and Stockton, CA. That started it all. The beginning of school shootings and the 'assault weapon' debate. Late 1980's.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Actually, that's not 100% accurate. Google Patrick Purdy and Stockton, CA. That started it all. The beginning of school shootings and the 'assault weapon' debate. Late 1980's.

How long have AR's been around? If many years previous to school shootings what then started causing school shootings? What changed in society?

 

[Wildman1024]

How long have AR's been around? If many years previous to school shootings what then started causing school shootings? What changed in society?

The decline of the "family unit". Women not staying at home and tending to the house and children.

Parents are never home. Baby sitters and TV raise kids. The internet raises kids. The streets raise kids.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

How long have AR's been around? If many years previous to school shootings what then started causing school shootings? What changed in society?

I'm not a licensed psychiatrist but as I see it, a lack of personal responsibility and the threat of swift, sure punishment.

 

[CaseHardened]

How long have AR's been around? If many years previous to school shootings what then started causing school shootings? What changed in society?

A minimum of FIFTY YEARS.

 

[CaseHardened]

The decline of the "family unit". Women not staying at home and tending to the house and children.

Parents are never home. Baby sitters and TV raise kids. The internet raises kids. The streets raise kids.

Never forget THE ABSENCE OF FATHERS.