U.S. MARSHALS SOG Goes Full Retard...

[Marine Cpl]

and wastes our tax payer money on a 100 year old custom design complete with unit logo.

Exclusive: U.S. Marshals SOG Adopts STI 2011 Pistols :: Guns.com





“The unit, unlike rank-and-file Marshals, has “extensive training in the operation of single-action pistols, which they feel best meets their tactical carry requirements,” said Wade

“All of the stuff that shooters want for competition carries over into what a law enforcement officer would want to carry on duty,” Buck Pierson, Director of Law Enforcement and Military Sales for STI Firearms, told Guns.com. “Who wouldn’t want a pistol that holds 21 rounds and can shoot super-fast, flat and accurately when you’re on duty?”

 

[togmaster]

STI makes beautiful guns and they work.

 

[Celt]

Your tax dollars at work.

 

[Edwardteach72]

These STIs are fucking amazing. The only thing the marshals did wrong was pick a $4,000 gun.

But cost aside they picked a great one

 

[Defilade]

Lol...So now the trend will be....Hammer fired?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not a 1911 fan. But my opinion doesn’t matter on that issue . What matters is the cost. Total waste of money since SWAT rarely uses a pistol. Any piggyback from another agency would have sufficed.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'm not a 1911 fan (until you get into very good and great 2011 designs and then you are looking at 2,000 at a bare minimum base entry gun)

And these are absolutely amazing guns and if I could justify the cost and subsequently the learning curve for actual maintenance and tuning id love to have one of these type 2011/9mm 1911s maybe not STI.

But yes the only issue with these guys picking this system is the $4,000 per unit price tag

 

[oc shooter]

cost is way out of line but being a big fan of 1911's STI is 1 hell of a pistol

 

[fresch]

"Who wouldn’t want a pistol that holds 21 rounds and can shoot super-fast, flat and accurately when you’re on duty?”
Any law abiding citizen would, politicians not so much!

 

[Airborneguy]

I’ve seen these guys train at Rodman’s Neck with DEA and NYPD specialized units. They are very high speed.

I don’t see any problem with this. That money would have been spent in other ways regardless. Of all the examples of government waste, I don’t see how this could be considered one. At least the guns are worth what they paid. Imagine the other crap guns purchased by various government agencies at inflated prices.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I’ve seen these guys train at Rodman’s Neck with DEA and NYPD specialized units. They are very high speed.

I don’t see any problem with this. That money would have been spent in other ways regardless. Of all the examples of government waste, I don’t see how this could be considered one. At least the guns are worth what they paid. Imagine the other crap guns purchased by various government agencies at inflated prices.

I will agree with this. It's not like the whole agency is getting these guns. And the ones that are are door kickers and some of the best door kickers. It just sucks being a tax payer and seeing 4k guns being issued but I also do know these guns are worth 4k .. it's not like they picked up some off the shelf 1911/2011 or any other gun that can be had for 800 but they are paying 4k because of reasons

 

[Edwardteach72]

If it makes anyone feel better they could have gone with "chamber custom night fighter" which are about 5,500 a pop

***edit*** would have also been an awesome choice.

Again it sucks that this group is spending bookoo tax dollhairs on a handgun but atleast it's a group that can actually run these guys and benefit from such a platform/system, isnt large in numbers and picked one of the best

 

[fresch]

Just remember at the end of the fiscal year all government, schools, Dpw, police , must spend all monies one way or an other.

 

[Darth]

Thank heavens, no way they could have done their jobs with a Glock 17.

 

[Blimey]

That is too much for a pistol for law enforcement. They picked this because it is not their money.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If these guys went into kicked doors with nothing more than a pistol in their hands, I could understand. But swat guys don’t use pistols as primaries. They use SBR’s and submachine guns as primaries. They got these guns for their own personal use on our dime.

 

[Airborneguy]

I don’t get the hubbub. Considering the low number purchased, we’re talking pennies as far as government contracts go. And remember, these guy don’t just “kick doors.” They are also the high-value target transporters for top-tier criminals.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nothing that cannot be done with the new Glock 47 that’s already on government contract. That’s like your department’s Highway 1 using Ferrari’s instead of a something like a Dodge Charger or your Mounted Police using Arabian horses.

It’s only 50 of them.

 

[Twogunwilly]

No worries when they trade them in you can get one for like $300

 

[Celt]

I don’t get the hubbub. Considering the low number purchased, we’re talking pennies as far as government contracts go. And remember, these guy don’t just “kick doors.” They are also the high-value target transporters for top-tier criminals.

I think many are really beat down by how screwed up our govt is. Its not that these guys arent capable or that there are 1000's of these guns being bought. Its just one more thing that seems "unnecessary" on a pile of things that people are tired of.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I think many are really beat down by how screwed up our govt is. Its not that these guys arent capable or that there are 1000's of these guns being bought. Its just one more thing that seems "unnecessary" on a pile of things that people are tired of.

But 1,000s of these guns arent being bought

 

[Airborneguy]

Government contracts often drive innovation. Think of how many guns wouldn’t be on the civilian market if not for government contracts driving development.

 

[Toecutter]

Maybe taxpayers should spring for Lamborghini patrol cars.

 

[Marine Cpl]

But 1,000s of these guns arent being bought

Doesn’t matter if only 10 were bought. These guys aren’t shooting for competition.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Hell one of the biggest downfall to STI is not being reliable.

Ask any competition shooter their experience with STI, most will say that they bought their sti at $X,000 and it out of the box it doesnt run and would have to be sent out to a gun Smith to tune usually about another 1,000$

Hell most will say the 1911 design really isnt reliable.

Now sti is putting out guns ready to go, why? Well trying to get contracts like this probably had a lot to do with it

 

[Marine Cpl]

Maybe Sig should try to get a gov’t contract then.

 

[Edwardteach72]

What does competition shooting have to do with wanting the best gear?

And honestly everything that makes a competition gun great for competition is what everyone is going to want when it comes to a fighting gun. Difference is competition guns are doing all this while being on the verge of reliably

 

[Marine Cpl]

You just said it isn’t the best gear. Reliability should be the #1 factor instead of a pretty logo, cool paint job, and other factors.

 

[Edwardteach72]

You just said it isn’t the best gear. Reliability should be the #1 factor instead of a pretty logo, cool paint job, and other factors.

When did I say it isnt the best gear? And these guns are super reliable

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ask any competition shooter their experience with STI, most will say that they bought their sti at $X,000 and it out of the box it doesnt run and would have to be sent out to a gun Smith to tune usually about another 1,000$

That company should never have been considered for that alone.