Voted for Trump 3 times. Voting doesn't work and you need to stop "Trusting the plan".... Stop sleep walking in life.
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US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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Robin
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If they were the chosen people and Jesus is the messiah, then the baton was passed and Christians would be the chosen ones.
I don't know how all this stuff works and don't want to inadvertently dis on anyones beliefs, its' just a thought.
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
And the Muslims believe that same baton was passed from Jesus to Mohammad.
It's amazing that 3 religions that share 90% of their history can be so opposed to each other.
And the worst are the different flavors of Muslim. They agree on 99.9% of their doctrine, and kill each other constantly over that last 0.1%.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not sure how the muzzles figure all that in but I know they do not believe Jesus was the messiah, just a prophet. They're waiting for the Mahdi.
Robin
Robin
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Bigfoot
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"Defense Minister Israel Katz during a security assessment says that Israel is ready to resume the fighting against Iran, and is waiting for a “green light from the United States” to target the new supreme leader and Iranian energy sites."
"He adds that “this time the attack will be different and deadly and will add devastating blows in the most painful places, following the enormous blows the Iranian terror regime has already suffered so far, that will shake and collapse its foundations.”
"He adds that “this time the attack will be different and deadly and will add devastating blows in the most painful places, following the enormous blows the Iranian terror regime has already suffered so far, that will shake and collapse its foundations.”
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here is my vote.
Would 9:00AM today be okay.
Robin
Would 9:00AM today be okay.
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
Yea, there's different sects of all of them that disagree on the details.
But, the bottom line is that all of them from all 3 religions believe in the same God, the god of Abraham.
The Jews and Christians mostly gave up killing each other over the details centuries ago. You don't see Baptists killing Catholics like you do the Sunnis and Shias.
The Muslims will get there sooner or later.
True, but they also haven't stopped proclaiming thier's is the only way and all others result in eternal damnation. And some are going back to declaring that all non-believers should be forced to convert or else. That seems to be a core tenant of all Abrahamic religions. None are capable of "live and let live".
You make the assumption that the whole "Jesus" story is "true". Those who do not believe in that story would never think the baton was passed.
But we are getting off topic. And not even in a funny way like Bigfoot does.
And speaking of Bigfoot:
The latest from the Donald Trump social media mouthpiece is starting to remind me of that dude from Iraq. "It's fine, we're fine, everything is fine".
If Iran were as neutered as they claim, how is it they can keep non-Iranian shipping bottled up in the Straight?
I think the only reason the blockade is "airtight and strong" is because we are blocking the Iranians, and the Iranians are blocking everyone else.
And I don't think he has as much time as he thinks. Isn't the clock ticking out on how much longer he can keep any forces in this shindig?
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well, I would say that the operative word in my comment is, "If". Patients grasshopper.
Robin
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Sleepwalking? I voted to close the border and get the illegals out. And to cut govt spending. I got all that. In my life I have never voted for anything but the lesser of two evils and no president has ever delivered more than one or two promises. You apparently voted to get some DOGE money and to lock up Hillary. He made the statement that he wanted Hillary locked up before his first term. Didnt happen, yet you voted for it again. presidents dont lock anybody up, wake the fuck up. Doge money? He never "promised" Doge money. What he said was if his tariffs held he could refund tax money, the courts shut his tariffs down. You need to stop sleepwalking before you walk off the edge of the flat earth you live on with the rest of the idiots.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
FWIW -
Bigfoot
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
And there is this (news source with a different perspective out of Taiwan). This hot mess discusses the looming war ... seemingly warming up with the six Iranian warned reactions that would follow six specific US actions (auto dub link included). There are some not so veiled threats of striking US oil and AI infrastructure.
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There’s no Mass deportations happening. Obama deported more people than Trump. Stop drinking the soup.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
President Donald Trump told Fox News’ White House correspondent Aishah Hasnie on Saturday that U.S. negotiators Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner will no longer be heading to Pakistan for talks with Iran.
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has reportedly already left Islamabad, Pakistan, following talks there Saturday with the country's prime minister.
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has reportedly already left Islamabad, Pakistan, following talks there Saturday with the country's prime minister.
Yup. All 3 of the desert faiths are more the same than different. Same god, many of the exact stories and actors.
Weird the infighting between the 3.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Obama's numbers are spread out over 8 yrs, Trump just got started. Trump is targeting criminal illegals first. In Trumps first term the news was that Trump was putting children immigrants in cages. Turns out those cages were Obama's. I'll take the soup, you just keep drinking that kool-aid, kid.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
As far as the Obama deportations, those were illegal aliens detained/deported *at* the border. Biden opened the border in 2021, and then the illegals flooded *into* the country.
Therefore, the Trump deportations are deportations taking place in the interior part of the country, namely, in sanctuary cities/states, with the Democrats and their useful idiots contesting the Trump deportations every inch of the way. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges.
Either way, under the Trump administration, mass deportations ARE happening. For you to post that mass deportations aren't happening under Trump is either you showing your lack of knowledge on the subject or an attempt to spread misinformation to further a fake narrative.
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Bigfoot
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It would be good for this thread if the handful of usual suspects would stay on topic of the war. Instead of using this thread as a platform to push their TDS and or any other preconceived anti whatever narrative.
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Bigfoot
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stokes
.338 Win Mag
He just pulled back the negotiations team. I have a feeling he may have made alliances with the rest of the smaller mideast countries to go full out and smash Iran bigly.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So, is this fake news or did China rebuild Iran's Air Defense during the cease fire, or are we testing / targeting what is working or is Iran in trigger finger panic mode?
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I read that there weren't actually "hostile targets" over Tehran. It was more like the IRGC was pretty much making shit up and then putting on a show for the local population to show that they are in control or whatever. It's being said by some sources that there was no US/Israeli aircraft in the area at the time.
Who knows what the truth actually is? IDK... But going by their track record, I tend not to believe what the Iranian leadership says, whoever that may be at the time...
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spat
.950 JDJ
You know why Trump isn't deporting more ? Because they aren't coming in to begin with.
Most of Obama's deportations were people caught sneaking in and sent back.
There *aren't* people sneaking in under Trump, so he's got to hunt down the ones that are here and have blended into society.
That is 100% a success story.
Illegal border crossing numbers plummeted in February: report https://share.google/qGzWVNdwgOiq1fNT2
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I predict the US/Israel military bombing operations will resume shortly. This time, the day of bombing Iran's bridges and power plants will actually happen. At least on some scale.
There's no dealing with fanatical terrorists. Trump knows that and always has; his military advisors know that and have always had. Everyone with any sort of knowledge on the subject knows that Iranian fanatics can't be dealt with or trusted.
I think Trump is just playing with them for now. Setting up the Death to America death cult for the final blow. Just like my cats do with mice.
My prediction rate is fairly accurate, not perfect, but I call it more times than not.
Humble brag... lol
There's no dealing with fanatical terrorists. Trump knows that and always has; his military advisors know that and have always had. Everyone with any sort of knowledge on the subject knows that Iranian fanatics can't be dealt with or trusted.
I think Trump is just playing with them for now. Setting up the Death to America death cult for the final blow. Just like my cats do with mice.
My prediction rate is fairly accurate, not perfect, but I call it more times than not.
Humble brag... lol
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holdover
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No its not.
They dont, at least not the Christians, Christ came for all of mankind not a specific people .
Holy shit , man 6 weeks ago they bombed Iran.and drug us into it . Dont give me this victimhood bullshit
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
(New York) – The International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an advisory opinion on July 19, 2024, with significant consequences for human rights protections in Palestine under Israel’s 57-year occupation. The opinion stems from a December 2022 request by the United Nations General Assembly to the court to consider the legal consequences of Israel’s policies and practices in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
The following quote can be attributed to Tirana Hassan, Human Rights Watch Executive Director:
"In a historic ruling the International Court of Justice has found multiple and serious international law violations by Israel towards Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including, for the first time, finding Israel responsible for apartheid. The court has placed responsibility with all states and the United Nations to end these violations of international law. The ruling should be yet another wake up call for the United States to end its egregious policy of defending Israel’s oppression of Palestinians and prompt a thorough reassessment in other countries as well."
Major human rights organizations—including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Israeli group B'Tselem—have concluded that Israel’s policies toward Palestinians amount to apartheid, citing systematic oppression, land seizure, and dual legal systems in the occupied West Bank. The ICJ and UN experts have also raised concerns over these practices. Israel and its supporters strongly reject this designation, arguing it is inaccurate, politically motivated, and that security measures in the West Bank are distinct from racial segregation, with Palestinian citizens of Israel having full legal rights.
An apartheid state is a political system enforcing institutionalized racial segregation, discrimination, and the systematic oppression of one group by another, typically designed to maintain the dominance of one group. Originating in South Africa (1948–1994), it involves legalized separation, restriction of movement, and denial of fundamental rights.
There is overwhelming evidence that the system instituted by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people meets the UN definition of apartheid.
In effect, Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory constitute one territorial unit under full Israeli control. Palestinians constitute around half of the total population (inside Israel and in the oPt), yet under Israeli law, and in practice, Jewish Israelis and Palestinians are treated differently in almost every aspect of life: housing, education, health, employment, family life, residence, and freedom of movement. Dozens of Israeli laws and policies institutionalise this prevailing system of racial discrimination and domination.
Segregation is carried out by implementing separate legal regimes for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians living in the same area. In the occupied West Bank, Jewish Israeli settlers living in illegal settlements are governed by Israeli civil law, while Palestinians also living in the West Bank are governed by Israeli military law.
In Israel itself, there exists no ‘Israeli’ nationality shared by all citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. Rather, citizens are divided into ‘national’ categories of ‘Jewish’, which affords them a set of rights and privileges above the other categories, or ‘Arab’ with comparatively restricted rights and privileges. This separation was reiterated when Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018, essentially codifying decades of discrimination and enshrining two classes of citizens in law.
Israel carries out various acts that are prohibited by the UN Apartheid Convention including:
Israel’s treatment of Palestinians has been regularly cited by UN Special Rapporteurs on the Human Rights Situation in Palestine as evidence of an Apartheid system in action. For example:
The following quote can be attributed to Tirana Hassan, Human Rights Watch Executive Director:
"In a historic ruling the International Court of Justice has found multiple and serious international law violations by Israel towards Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including, for the first time, finding Israel responsible for apartheid. The court has placed responsibility with all states and the United Nations to end these violations of international law. The ruling should be yet another wake up call for the United States to end its egregious policy of defending Israel’s oppression of Palestinians and prompt a thorough reassessment in other countries as well."
World Court Finds Israel Responsible for Apartheid
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an advisory opinion on July 19, 2024, with significant consequences for human rights protections in Palestine under Israel’s 57-year occupation. The opinion stems from a December 2022 request by the United Nations General Assembly to the court to...
www.hrw.org
World Court Finds Israel Responsible for Apartheid
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an advisory opinion on July 19, 2024, with significant consequences for human rights protections in Palestine under Israel’s 57-year occupation. The opinion stems from a December 2022 request by the United Nations General Assembly to the court to...
Major human rights organizations—including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Israeli group B'Tselem—have concluded that Israel’s policies toward Palestinians amount to apartheid, citing systematic oppression, land seizure, and dual legal systems in the occupied West Bank. The ICJ and UN experts have also raised concerns over these practices. Israel and its supporters strongly reject this designation, arguing it is inaccurate, politically motivated, and that security measures in the West Bank are distinct from racial segregation, with Palestinian citizens of Israel having full legal rights.
An apartheid state is a political system enforcing institutionalized racial segregation, discrimination, and the systematic oppression of one group by another, typically designed to maintain the dominance of one group. Originating in South Africa (1948–1994), it involves legalized separation, restriction of movement, and denial of fundamental rights.
There is overwhelming evidence that the system instituted by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people meets the UN definition of apartheid.
In effect, Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory constitute one territorial unit under full Israeli control. Palestinians constitute around half of the total population (inside Israel and in the oPt), yet under Israeli law, and in practice, Jewish Israelis and Palestinians are treated differently in almost every aspect of life: housing, education, health, employment, family life, residence, and freedom of movement. Dozens of Israeli laws and policies institutionalise this prevailing system of racial discrimination and domination.
Segregation is carried out by implementing separate legal regimes for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians living in the same area. In the occupied West Bank, Jewish Israeli settlers living in illegal settlements are governed by Israeli civil law, while Palestinians also living in the West Bank are governed by Israeli military law.
In Israel itself, there exists no ‘Israeli’ nationality shared by all citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. Rather, citizens are divided into ‘national’ categories of ‘Jewish’, which affords them a set of rights and privileges above the other categories, or ‘Arab’ with comparatively restricted rights and privileges. This separation was reiterated when Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018, essentially codifying decades of discrimination and enshrining two classes of citizens in law.
Israel carries out various acts that are prohibited by the UN Apartheid Convention including:
- Forcible transfer of Palestinians to make way for illegal Israeli settlements.
- Preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes and lands (including millions of refugees living in exile).
- Systematic and severe deprivation of fundamental human rights of Palestinians based on their identity.
- Denying Palestinians their right to freedom of movement and residence (especially, but not limited to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip).
- Murder, torture, unlawful imprisonment and other severe deprivation of physical liberty.
- Persecution of Palestinians because of their opposition to apartheid.
Israel’s treatment of Palestinians has been regularly cited by UN Special Rapporteurs on the Human Rights Situation in Palestine as evidence of an Apartheid system in action. For example:
- Richard Falk, emeritus professor of law at Princeton University and UN special rapporteur 2008-2014, wrote in a report to the UN Human Rights Council that Israel is guilty of racial discrimination, apartheid and torture in its “systematic oppression” of the Palestinian people. (UN document A/HRC/25/67)
- John Dugard, South African law professor and Falk’s predecessor in the post of UN Special Rapporteur, wrote a detailed study in 2013 on whether the charge of apartheid applies to Israel, concluding: “On the basis of the systemic and institutionalized nature of the racial domination that exists, there are indeed strong grounds to conclude that a system of apartheid has developed in the occupied Palestinian territory. Israeli practices in the occupied territory are not only reminiscent of – and, in some cases, worse than – apartheid as it existed in South Africa, but are in breach of the legal prohibition of apartheid.”
- The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination censured Israel in 2012 for implementing “two entirely separate legal systems and sets of institutions for Jewish communities grouped in illegal settlements on the one hand and Palestinian populations living in Palestinian towns and villages on the other hand.” The Committee declared itself “particularly appalled at the hermetic character of the separation of two groups, who live on the same territory but do not enjoy either equal use of roads and infrastructure or equal access to basic services and water resources”. It called on Israel to eradicate all policies and practices of “racial segregation and apartheid” affecting the Palestinian people (UN document CERD/C/ISR/CO/14-16).
- In March 2017, the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA) commissioned and published a report called 'Israeli Practices towards the Palestinian People and the Question of Apartheid' which concludes, "on the basis of overwhelming evidence, that Israel is guilty of the crime of apartheid, and urges swift action to oppose and end it." The report also recommends that national governments and civil society actors should support boycott, divestment and sanctions activities in response to Israel's Apartheid regime.
- In 2019, the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) opened an investigation into a formal complaint by Palestinian diplomats on whether Israel has breached the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which it ratified in 1979. Specifically, article 3 of the convention prohibits racial segregation and apartheid.
- In 2019, current UN Special Rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territory, Michael Lynk, stated that formal annexation of part of the West Bank “will only confirm a one state reality characterised by a rigid two-tier system of legal and political rights, based on ethnicity and religion. This would meet the international definition of apartheid.” He restated in 2020, in response to Israel’s plans to annex parts of the occupied Palestinian West Bank: "The plan would crystalize a 21st century apartheid, leaving in its wake the demise of the Palestinians‘ right to self-determination. Legally, morally, politically, this is entirely unacceptable... Already, we are witnessing forced evictions and displacement, land confiscation and alienation, settler violence, the appropriation of natural resources, and the imposition of a two-tiered system of unequal political, social and economic rights based on ethnicity." Israel still maintains plans to annex parts of the West Bank.
- In 2020, 47 UN human rights experts signed a statement saying “Israel has recently promised that it will maintain permanent security control between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. Thus, the morning after annexation would be the crystallisation of an already unjust reality: two peoples living in the same space, ruled by the same state, but with profoundly unequal rights. This is a vision of a 21st century apartheid”.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
A number of Israeli government officials have used the term apartheid in reference to Israeli control over Palestinians:
- Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel since 2014, was quoted in the Israeli press on 12 February 2017 saying that Israel’s newly passed ‘Regularisation Law’, which formally expropriates several tracts of Palestinian land, “will cause Israel to be seen as an apartheid state.”
- One of the first people to use the word apartheid in relation to Israel was Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben Gurion. Following the 1967 June war, he warned of Israel becoming an “apartheid state” if it retained control of the occupied territory, which it has done.
- In 1999, then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak stated: "Every attempt to keep hold of [Israel and the occupied territory] as one political entity leads, necessarily, to either a nondemocratic or a non-Jewish state. Because if the Palestinians vote, then it is a binational state, and if they don’t vote it is an apartheid state.” In 2010, Barak repeated the apartheid comparison, stating: "As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic… If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."
- Alon Liel, Israel’s ambassador to South Africa 1992 - 1994 and the director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs 2000 – 2001, stated in 2013 that “the occupation of the West Bank as it exists today is a sort of Israeli apartheid”. In response to the Deal of the Century, Liel wrote in 2020 that the map attached to the plan ‘is an imitation of the Bantustan model’ and it would ‘legitimize a new 21st-century model of apartheid.’
- In 1976, then Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was recorded as saying that Israel’s continued presence in the West Bank risked becoming ‘apartheid’: “I don’t think it’s possible to contain over the long term, if we don’t want to get to apartheid, a million and a half [more] Arabs inside a Jewish state”. Israel maintains control of the occupied territory and continues to build settlements.
- In 2009, an international team of legal scholars working under the auspices of the Human Sciences Research Council in Cape Town, South Africa published a study called 'Occupation, Colonialism, Apartheid?' The study concluded that the Israeli state has imposed a state of apartheid on the Palestinian people, in that Israel is guilty of many of the practices and policies identified in the Apartheid Convention adopted by the United Nations in 1973, and that these acts together constitute the “integrated and complementary elements of an institutionalised and oppressive system of Israeli domination and oppression over Palestinians as a group; that is, a system of apartheid.”
- The study noted that Israel has implemented all three of the pillars that characterised apartheid in the South African context, namely: (a) the categorisation of the population along racial lines; (b) the segregation of the population on the basis of this categorisation into different geographical areas allocated to different racial groups; and (c) a system of laws and policies that subject the Palestinian people to extrajudicial killing, torture and arbitrary arrest and detention, as well as sweeping restrictions on Palestinians’ rights to freedom of opinion, expression, assembly, association and movement.
- In 2020, Israeli human rights organisation Yesh Din published a legal opinion that concluded Israel’s regime in the West Bank is apartheid: “The crime of apartheid is being committed in the West Bank because, in this context of a regime of domination and oppression of one national group by another, the Israeli authorities implement policies and practices that constitute inhuman acts as the term is defined in international law”.