TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I hope someone bombs one of the Iran threads.
US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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spat
.950 JDJ
If only congressionally declared wars count, we haven't fought a war since 1945.
But like so much else, congress has delegated their authority to the executive via the war powers act.
Congress critters are allergic to doing their job or actually making decisions.
spat
.950 JDJ
Depends on the circumstances and current political climate.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
B2's were just spotted near the clubhouse area of the forum.
spat
.950 JDJ
Congress basically gave POTUS a 60 day window to do what he wants with the war powers act.
Fully committing the US military to an objective for 60 days, if you weren't in a war before you would be then, assuming there's anyone left to fight.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Just merge the threads so that there can be peace
I think there are seven of them. I am sure that one of the mods with clean it up. As soon as he gets done at the range.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
You think rocket man will be testing nuke missiles anymore?
When "someone" destroyed the twin towers the US considered it an act of war. What would we have done if they took out our nuclear facilities.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
This thread was so deep the MOPS couldn't even kill it.
There is probably going to be some fallout though.
There is probably going to be some fallout though.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No they dont. like 10%
spat
.950 JDJ
There are a lot of ways of calculating that statistic.
Is that 74% of the missiles they attempted to destroy, 74% of all incoming missiles, etc...
Also, over what time frame ? 74% of missiles over a day, a week, or a 5 minute interval during a saturation attack ?
Depending on whether you want to make it look good, or look bad, you can do that math a lot of ways. You really have to adjust based on *who* is quoting that statistic.
A more useful statistic to military planners would be how many missiles would have to be launched against a target to get a 90% probability of a kill. In that respect the Iron dome likely forces Iran to expend 10x as many missiles as they would without it to hit a target.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
This is true. We began a "War" of terror.... Did not declare war though.
spat
.950 JDJ
If someone had the capability of taking out the Cheyenne mountain complex, what *could* we do LOL.
These sorts of questions make the assumption that the US and Iran are equals. We are not.
If one street gang kills a leader of another gang, the other gang will probably kill some members of the first gang in retaliation.
If the police kill a gang leader, the gang is not going to just go out and kill a few cops in retaliation.
Because there is a massive disparity in power between the gangs and the cops. That isn't a war the gangs can win. All they can do is try to avoid drawing too much attention.
Iran doesn't seem to understand where they fall in this pecking order, Obama and Biden indulged them for far too long, and they mistake their inaction for a lack of ability to act.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Iron Dome efficacy has been put at 94% of incoming missiles that were headed for populated areas were intercepted. Only 26 Iranian missiles in total have evaded the counter-missile system to strike the ground. This does not include missiles headed for vacant areas, which are not intercepted per the Iron Dome system. And UAV interception has been closer to 99%.
Really? That would seem to be the very definition of war.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
You should have demanded an unconditional merger. I couldn't wait for the negotiation.
Yes. If anything they will expedite any tests.
spat
.950 JDJ
We call lots of things a war.
War on drugs, war on poverty, etc... it's almost cliche.
Certainly not every military action is a war.
Would be hard to call Grenada or Panama a war.
Kinda hard not to call Vietnam a war, but at the same time we *weren't* fully committed to it as a nation the way we were WWII.
If we had prosecuted Vietnam like a "real" war, the outcome would have been very different, likely with a lot fewer casualties on both sides.
Anyone not playing politics would say this was an act of war if executed on any NATO member.
POTUS has the nuclear Football: He doesn't need permission from Congress or to even notify then, if and when he takes action...That said, only Congress has the power to declare War (even though the President either started or pulled us into one with his actions)
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
If we hit enriched uranium sites: Is there any measurable radiation leakage at these locations?
Our law does actually define war. Intentionally I would bet.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Thats the official story. Looks a hell of a lot worse on the ground. Some of those missles were hypersonic, un interceptable some of those missles were cluster munitions that opened up outside the range of the interceptors causeing a hell of a lot of damage on the ground.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The U.S. Constitution divides war powers between Congress and the President. Article I, Section 8 grants Congress the power to declare war, raise and support armies, and provide for a navy. Article II, Section 2 designates the President as Commander in Chief of the armed forces. This division of power necessitates cooperation between the two branches regarding military affairs.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Congress's Powers:
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Congress's Powers:
- Declare War: Congress has the sole power to formally declare war.
- Raise and Support Armies: Congress can raise and fund the army and navy.
- Make Rules for the Military: Congress can establish rules and regulations for the armed forces.
- Appropriate Funds: Congress controls the purse strings, meaning they decide how much money is spent on the military.
- Commander in Chief: The President is the supreme commander of the military.
- Commander in Chief: The President is the supreme commander of the military.
- Initiate Military Action: While Congress declares war, the President can initiate military action in response to an attack or under specific authorization from Congress.