US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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Saltwater60
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If true then they go in on their own. We need to be done asap.
We're not the ones calling the other "the great Satan" and implementing a rather harsh version of Islamic fundamentalism on their own nation and others. But go ahead, play the moral equivalence game between iran and this country. You are free to look as foolish as you want.
How dare Iranians have their own culture and not live by morals of American elites.
Lol thanks for calling me elite. I won't tell my wife because she'll start expecting more. I think the Iranians would love to have their own culture but the murderous ignorant thugs running the country prevent that. You love the mullahs in addition to the bloodthirsty communist dictators. Is there a dictatorship on this planet you don't have a hard on for?
Any leader who stands up to American arrogance and self proclaimed supremacy is a blood thirsty thug. Any country that defends itself against our meddling is a regime.
Imperialism was just a communist fantasy.
What else is new.
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Another unprincipled ignorant charlatan who reflexively supports every anti-american regime no matter how repugnant. What else is new.
Congratulation on reaching intellectual dead end. Our shit doesn't smell is not a principle.
holdover
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What looks kinda foolish is that you think the US government cares about the people of Iran. Shit, You think Trump spent any time there? LOL, Nobody gives a flying fuck about them . Its almost as if nobody notices we've been beating the shit out of Israels enemy's for the last 30 years .
One day its because we were forced to protect our troops next day its because they have enriched Uranium, next day its because we have to help the people of Iran , next day its to make sure the gulf is open, which was already open when Isreal and US launched a surprise attack during negotiations.
For crying out loud, how much kool aid did you drink? The whole government has been compromised By the Israeli lobby. Isreal declares war on Iran and has no ability to finish it . they dont have the manpower to invade and destroy Iran. they even said they would not send ground troops. but your cool with sending in US troops to help the Iranian people you love so much? The ones that call us Satan,? come on, Or is it because of the uranium they had since the 1970's when we built nuclear power plants for them ?
Not only did Israel start this war , they cant finish it and wont allow a peace agreement to take place. They want Iran gone, and they want us to do it . period. Now I personally can give 2 shits about Iranian or Israeli people , I dont have anything against them per say, I wish both of them can live in peace as far as Im concerned .But what I do have a moral problem with is sending our boys to die and spending our money to do it with. Im all about America first , Its not our fight.
Israel has confirmed that it will not send ground troops to Iran, even if the United States proceeds with a land operation. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have maintained that a land invasion is impractical and that Israeli involvement in any broader campaign will remain limited to airstrikes and intelligence support.
Key factors driving this strategy include:
- Resource Constraints: The IDF is heavily engaged on multiple active fronts (including Gaza, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Yemen), leading to localized troop shortages.
- Logistical Hurdles: Sustaining ground forces approximately 1000
miles away from home territory presents immense logistical challenges that Israel is not equipped to handle without relying entirely on U.S. forces. - Desired Policy: Israeli officials have stated that they prefer to leave boots on the ground to Iranians leading their own anti-regime operations.
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spat
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Neither is "everyone who hates America is virtuous".
They are what they are, but the idea that they hate us because of our freedoms or our virtuous is made up bullshit. We give them plenty of good reasons.
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Saltwater60
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They do regularly chant death to America and pay terrorists to attack people so much think it’s a bit beyond us wanting them to adapt to our culture.
Saltwater60
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Maybe we should send them a few more good reasons to hate us. Liberals and some more bombs are top of my list.
Yes, bomb a few more schools and they will stop chanting death to America.
spat
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They hate us because their culture and values are fundamentally incompatible with ours.
Claiming one is "good" and one is "bad" is just pretentious bullshit.
But, they aren't capable of coexisting, and I choose ours.
spat
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Kill enough of the right people and they will.
Just ask the germans and the japanese.
Where to begin.
First, it's not required to actually travel to a country to care. What a ridiculous statement.
Second, your immediate switch to Israel is telling. Your bias against jews is beneath you.
As the member who created the "ongoing slide into a police state" thread I think my credentials as a skeptic of our government are sufficient. As I have stated before the nation of Israel does have an outsized influence on US foreign policy. To think that is the same as "controlling the US" is anti-semitic blather. I get it, you don't like jews. There are many legitimate criticisms of this country and Israel. Nevertheless there is a very wide and obvious difference between the US, Israel and the fundamentalist nutjobs that run Iran. If you are blinded by jew hatred so much that you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
You choose ours, they choose theirs. Don't force yours on them.
spat
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You just don't get it. We *cannot* co-exist.
So it's either force ours on them or they will force theirs on us.
I'm willing to kill every single one of them if that's what it takes before I submit to Sharia law.
Because they're willing to kill every one of us to make us submit.
holdover
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#1 your an idiot. Ive stated several times I am ANTI zionist. Theres a huge difference.
#2 I was pointing out the fact that nobody gives a fuck about Iranians , I really dont myself , I guess Im anti Iranian too, fact is, Im indifferent to the people themselves but I do give a shit about right and wrong , and I dont believe fighting a war on behalf of Isreal is right . So I take thier side. not because Im anti semtic , because they were bombed by Isreal and now were supposed to finish the job . what a bunch of bullshit that is!
I cant believe any moron could support such blatant criminality!
But lets get one thing straight,No I dont support Jewish supremacy ,and I fucking hate that Anti American apartheid expansionist NAZI state sucking US dollars away from the fucking tax payers that earned it .The Zionists are fucking evil. Not all Jews are Zionists , and not all Germans were NAZI's so lets clarify that bullshit right now . There are lots of Jewish people that absolutely against this.
and its none your god dam business who runs Iran. or Russia, or China or Venezuela We dont get to choose, they do . Thats an American idea that we should actually practice . Fucking war mongering mother fuckers dont give a fucking shit about anyone . they are narcissistic psychos
My main problem is that they are involving us in something That we dont need to be involved in . using our own money to do it too. I cant believe your that blind. And these crazy fuckers in control believe in this greater Isreal project where they wish to control a large part of the mid east . Thats fucking insane! this tiny fucking country with 9 million people are going to control and hold a vast portion of the mideast !! Vs nearly a billion Muslims . WTF are they thinking? they cant even clear Gaza after 2 fucking years, got bogged down in Lebanon like the last 2 times they tried invadeing, and they want to destroy Iran without ever haveing to send in ground troops . Holy shit!!! talk about delusions of grandeur.
How about this? Lets mind our own fucking business, Lets Use our tax dollars to help fix our own problems , and how about no foreign lobbyists bribing our politicians . Im not anti jewish. Im pro American , and if that means I have to take an unpopular stand so be it .
But ill tell you this, If it was any other country in the world , My views wouldnt change . If it were Turkey attacking Iran with US support , I would be just as much against it , Not because they happen to be Turkish, Its because they're wrong. Now, had the Iranians attacked Israel with ballistic missiles, I would have to side with Isreal . If my friend commits a crime , I dont side with him , If he gets caught and goes to jail , I cant have any sympathy for him . sorry. Take your medicine, You did this shit to yourself , now deal with it .
Im not anti Ukrainian , but I dont support the war . I dont support the money going there I dont support the weapons being sent there . And Im part Ukrainian myself! I love the people but dont support the war
holdover
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Anti semitic UN:
UN GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today. The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.
The Commission has been investigating the events on and since 7 October 2023 for the last two years, and concluded that Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent births.
Explicit statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the pattern of conduct of the Israeli security forces indicate that the genocidal acts were committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.
“The Commission finds that Israel is responsible for the commission of genocide in Gaza,” said Navi Pillay, Chair of the Commission. “It is clear that there is an intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza through acts that meet the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention.”
“The responsibility for these atrocity crimes lies with Israeli authorities at the highest echelons who have orchestrated a genocidal campaign for almost two years now with the specific intent to destroy the Palestinian group in Gaza,” Pillay said. “The Commission also finds that Israel has failed to prevent and punish the commission of genocide, through failure to investigate genocidal acts and to prosecute alleged perpetrators.”
In establishing the genocidal acts, the Commission examined the Israeli military operations in Gaza, including killing and seriously harming unprecedented numbers of Palestinians; imposing a total siege, including blocking humanitarian aid leading to starvation; systematically destroying the healthcare and education systems in Gaza; committing systematic acts of sexual and gender based violence; directly targeting children; carrying out systematic and widespread attacks on religious and cultural sites; and disregarding the orders of the International Court of Justice.
UNICEF:
In establishing genocidal intent, the Commission applied the “only reasonable inference” standard set forth by the International Court of Justice in the case of Bosnia v. Serbia. The Commission analysed statements made by Israeli authorities and concluded that those statements are direct evidence of genocidal intent. The Commission also analysed the pattern of conduct of Israeli authorities and the Israeli security forces in Gaza, including imposing starvation and inhumane conditions of life for Palestinians in Gaza, and found that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be concluded from the nature of their operations.
NEW YORK, 8 October 2025 — “For more than 700 days, children in Gaza have been killed, maimed, and displaced in a devastating war that is an affront to our shared humanity. Israeli strikes on Gaza City and other parts of the Gaza Strip continue. The world cannot, and must not, allow this to go on.
“In the last two years, a staggering 64,000 children have reportedly been killed or maimed across the Gaza Strip, including at least 1,000 babies. We don’t know how many more have died due to preventable illnesses or are buried under the rubble.
“Famine persists in Gaza City and is spreading to the south, where children are already living in dire conditions. The crisis of malnutrition, especially among infants, remains shocking. Months without adequate food have caused lasting harm to children’s growth and development.
“The need for a ceasefire could not be more urgent. Since Saturday morning, at least 14 children have reportedly been killed, as intense bombing and shelling by Israel continue to hit Gaza City and other areas.
“UNICEF welcomes all efforts to end the war and chart a path towards peace in Gaza and the region. Any plan must lead to a ceasefire, the release of hostages, and the safe, rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief - through all available crossings and routes - at the scale desperately needed by all Gazans, especially children.
www.unicef.org
Allegations of Israeli war crimes in Gaza, spanning from October 2023 through 2026, are the subject of major international investigations, genocide cases, and arrest warrants. Accusations compiled by the UN, the International Criminal Court (ICC), and human rights organizations focus on a widespread strategy of actions against the Palestinian population.
Key allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity include:
UN GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today. The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.
The Commission has been investigating the events on and since 7 October 2023 for the last two years, and concluded that Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent births.
Explicit statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the pattern of conduct of the Israeli security forces indicate that the genocidal acts were committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.
“The Commission finds that Israel is responsible for the commission of genocide in Gaza,” said Navi Pillay, Chair of the Commission. “It is clear that there is an intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza through acts that meet the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention.”
“The responsibility for these atrocity crimes lies with Israeli authorities at the highest echelons who have orchestrated a genocidal campaign for almost two years now with the specific intent to destroy the Palestinian group in Gaza,” Pillay said. “The Commission also finds that Israel has failed to prevent and punish the commission of genocide, through failure to investigate genocidal acts and to prosecute alleged perpetrators.”
In establishing the genocidal acts, the Commission examined the Israeli military operations in Gaza, including killing and seriously harming unprecedented numbers of Palestinians; imposing a total siege, including blocking humanitarian aid leading to starvation; systematically destroying the healthcare and education systems in Gaza; committing systematic acts of sexual and gender based violence; directly targeting children; carrying out systematic and widespread attacks on religious and cultural sites; and disregarding the orders of the International Court of Justice.
UNICEF:
In establishing genocidal intent, the Commission applied the “only reasonable inference” standard set forth by the International Court of Justice in the case of Bosnia v. Serbia. The Commission analysed statements made by Israeli authorities and concluded that those statements are direct evidence of genocidal intent. The Commission also analysed the pattern of conduct of Israeli authorities and the Israeli security forces in Gaza, including imposing starvation and inhumane conditions of life for Palestinians in Gaza, and found that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be concluded from the nature of their operations.
NEW YORK, 8 October 2025 — “For more than 700 days, children in Gaza have been killed, maimed, and displaced in a devastating war that is an affront to our shared humanity. Israeli strikes on Gaza City and other parts of the Gaza Strip continue. The world cannot, and must not, allow this to go on.
“In the last two years, a staggering 64,000 children have reportedly been killed or maimed across the Gaza Strip, including at least 1,000 babies. We don’t know how many more have died due to preventable illnesses or are buried under the rubble.
“Famine persists in Gaza City and is spreading to the south, where children are already living in dire conditions. The crisis of malnutrition, especially among infants, remains shocking. Months without adequate food have caused lasting harm to children’s growth and development.
“The need for a ceasefire could not be more urgent. Since Saturday morning, at least 14 children have reportedly been killed, as intense bombing and shelling by Israel continue to hit Gaza City and other areas.
“UNICEF welcomes all efforts to end the war and chart a path towards peace in Gaza and the region. Any plan must lead to a ceasefire, the release of hostages, and the safe, rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief - through all available crossings and routes - at the scale desperately needed by all Gazans, especially children.
Two years of hellish war have devastated Gaza’s children
Statement by UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell
www.unicef.org
Allegations of Israeli war crimes in Gaza, spanning from October 2023 through 2026, are the subject of major international investigations, genocide cases, and arrest warrants. Accusations compiled by the UN, the International Criminal Court (ICC), and human rights organizations focus on a widespread strategy of actions against the Palestinian population.
Key allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity include:
- Starvation and Withholding Aid: The intentional deprivation of food, water, medicine, and fuel. Investigators have characterized this as using starvation as a method of warfare, contributing to famine-like conditions.
- Targeting of Civilians and Infrastructure:Widespread, disproportionate attacks on densely populated areas, resulting in high civilian casualties
. This includes extensive damage to or destruction of residential buildings, religious and cultural sites, and schools. - Destruction of Healthcare: The systemic targeting and military occupation of Gaza's medical infrastructure. The WHO reported that a vast majority of hospitals were rendered non-functional or severely damaged.
- Forced Displacement: The mass, forced displacement of roughly 90% of Gaza's population. Human Rights Watch and UN commissions have described repeated evacuation orders and the destruction of housing as potential crimes against humanity, such as forcible transfer.
- Mistreatment of Detainees: Accounts of torture, sexual violence, arbitrary detention, and the use of Palestinian civilians as human shields.
- ICC Warrants: The ICC prosecutor has actively pursued arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials—including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity, citing charges such as willful killing, extermination, and starvation.
- ICJ Genocide Case: South Africa initiated proceedings at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). The court has issued provisional orders mandating Israel to prevent acts of genocide and ensure the unhindered provision of humanitarian assistance.
- UN Inquiries: An independent Commission by the UN Human Rights Council concluded that Israel's military strategies and immense civilian casualties were undertaken with the intent to cause maximum damage, disregarding the principles of distinction and proportionality.
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I can see I touched a nerve. Unfortunately most people get emotional when called out on their bias.
holdover
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they get emotional when they are not understood too. My country comes first .
I Remember that being a Political platform. Hood winked again!
Your dislike of jews is easily understood.
spat
.950 JDJ
Why are you anti-zionist ?
You don't think the Jews deserve their own sovereign state in their ancestral homeland ?
It's been pointed out the term Zionist is as out of date as the phrase 'abolitionist'. Slavery ended so long ago no one uses the term abolitionist anymore. "Zionists" were people who believed jews should have their own country in the middle east. Well, Israel has been a nation for 75 years now. So the term zionist is as out of date as abolitionist. Unless you are a jew hater and want to disguise your bigotry so you keep using the phrase zionist.
holdover
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I got no problem with that.
bullshit.
No I never hated people because they were Jewish. I dont hate muslims because they are muslim I dont hate black people because they're black .
Zionism is a fairly recent militant ideology that has little to do with the Jewish faith.
what I do hate is the genocide in Gaza on our dime.I hate the fact We are at war because of Israel . I do hate the fact that zionism and the greater israel project is a real thing. They believe they have the right to an ancestral homeland of Israel. problem is its huge part of the mid east , not the dinky state they have now. Israels national policy is expansionist. God promised them the land a few thousand years ago Yeah I have a problem with that. apparently you dont . I dont support the butchering of children. Israli snipers shooting kids in head . WTF?
Zionism has evolved into a state ideology that continues to justify the occupation, colonisation, and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It plays a central role in Israeli policy, which includes illegal settlements, apartheid laws, and military aggression, especially visible today in the ongoing siege and genocide in Gaza. 3
Many Jewish people around the world do not support Zionism and see it as a betrayal of their faith’s core values. Zionism has hijacked Judaism, turning a rich spiritual and ethical tradition into a nationalist, colonial project. Criticising Zionism is not antisemitic; it’s a stand against racism, colonialism, and genocide.
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