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Steal2B said:
Looks like your source sucks. AI determined with 99% confidence the video is fake.

"Yes, this video is confirmed to be an AI-generated fake. Multiple independent fact-checking organizations have analyzed and debunked this exact footage.

Fact-Check Investigations

Misbar's Forensic Analysis:
According to a verification report by Misbar, the footage originates from a TikTok account known as "Naksu-ah", which explicitly specializes in posting synthetic, AI-generated political content.

AI Detection Scans:
Deepfake detection software (including Hive Moderation) flagged the clip with a 99% likelihood of containing synthetic elements.

Visual Glitches (The Giveaway):
Forensics shared by Yahoo News Fact Checks pointed out that the video was likely generated using OpenAI's Sora.

A massive physical glitch occurs in the video:
despite liquid being poured and the flag being set on fire, the fabric of the flag remains completely undamaged and does not burn away.

Watermark Concealment:
The original AI generation watermark in the lower-right quadrant was intentionally masked or covered up by the skull emoji visible on the right sidebar of the screen.

Origin and Context
The video initially went viral on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) and TikTok. It was distributed maliciously to fabricate a narrative of anti-American actions by the IDF amid ongoing, volatile diplomatic conflicts in the Middle East."
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Source might suck, there is no way for me to know that. Im not a tech guy at all. I cant verify images, half the shit on the net is fake , the other half says its not . understand, it was not done with malice , because I cant contest what your saying is right or wrong I will give you the benifit because I cant verify one way or the other . So cut me a little slack pertaining to fake images . I dont need fake images to make a point , just didnt know it was fake .
 
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Steal2B said:
Yeah, I don't know of a consistently reliable media outlet. Too many people shape the truth or present their report in a manner to serve an interest. Some sources lie for their benefit.

In this case I believe the cell phone call from an American who just sailed through the Strait. Nothing to gain or lose by just telling it like it like he saw it.

In this case, it does seem his account aligns more closely with Centcom PR and the Vance interview than the IRGC release or potential clickbait from various media. (Go Figure ... lol)

I have seen reporting during this conflict from multiple media sources that I flat out knew was not true. (Not believe was untrue, I knew was untrue.) I believe some outlets were passing on unverified information to be an early broadcaster, some sources go outrageous for clicks but others broadcast or flagrantly broad ast inormation they knew was inaccurate or false for a selfish or strategic benefit.
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Then add into it what the media outlet was told from the source could be sketchy as well.
 
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"Iran's delegation on Sunday walked out of the Swiss venue where it held talks with the United States towards permanently ending the Middle East war, after Donald Trump threatened to strike the Islamic republic over its support for Hezbollah."

www.yahoo.com

Iranians walk out of talks venue after Trump threat

Iran's delegation on Sunday walked out of the Swiss venue where it held talks with the United States towards permanently ending the Middle East war, after Donald Trump threatened to strike the Islamic...
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Bigfoot said:
"Iran's delegation on Sunday walked out of the Swiss venue where it held talks with the United States towards permanently ending the Middle East war, after Donald Trump threatened to strike the Islamic republic over its support for Hezbollah."

www.yahoo.com

Iranians walk out of talks venue after Trump threat

Iran's delegation on Sunday walked out of the Swiss venue where it held talks with the United States towards permanently ending the Middle East war, after Donald Trump threatened to strike the Islamic...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Yeah. Not suprised.

Much of the Swiss Negotiation event is a propaganda war between participants.

There were conflicting messages. Iran simultaneously 1) symbolically paraded negotiators out of the Resort venue then went to a podium to whine about Trump posting mean tweets saying Iran had to reign back Hezbollah and 2) Iran ensured the mediators understood that Iran was still going to participate in the negotiations.

When the Iran delegation staged a show with their protest procession out of the Swiss resort in response to harsh Tweets from Trump, it felt like Schumer and Jeffries singing protest songs outside of the Capitol Building during the shutdown.

The Iranian lead negotiator refusing to take part in a handshake media event with Vance should have been expected and was not a meaningful news flash. They were not going to give Trump / Vance that PR win. The symbolism should not be over hyped but the refusal is a PR win for Iran State run media.

Time will tell. There will be conflicting messages and media gamesmanship throughout the 60 day process even though only one party lost much of their military defense infrastructure and command leadership.

www.foxnews.com

Iran's unprecedented 'whole-regime' delegation at US deal talks signals one goal: expert

Iran sent a whole-regime delegation, including its central bank governor and oil officials to Switzerland talks, signaling demands for immediate cash flow.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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spat said:
At this point just keep pounding them until their government collapses.

You can still have "talks", but you don't stop the bombs for it.
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Im sure thats what they would have done, But I dont think the US has the stock piles required at the moment. I'm sure half is going to Israel and 1/4 to Ukraine . The US is ramping up production as fast as possible , but its going to take some time. it looks to me the ""peace process"" is just a stall tactic until the US can go in at a future date The Ukraine and Israel rate of fire over the last two-4 years is just eating up what we have . the ""peace plan"" makes a lot of sense as a strategic pause . Iran will be delt with on our time table , theres no escapeing that , but I dont believe we have the stockpiles to engage in a war which might take a few years .

If you think about it , Trump doesn't seem to care about tolls, money or giving Iran whatever they want for a peace deal. because he knows its only going to be temporary.

the other thing is drone warfare. The US needs to get up to speed on how to deal with mass drone attacks , and how to launch mass attacks from weapon systems and doctrine. Not saying they dont have some capability's now. but something new that has never been seen before and the mass production of them . Whole battalions of robot tanks , air mobile units long range units launched from planes and subs , new anti drone vehicle's

You want to be on the cutting edge of the new technology
 
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Might as well get the Hooties while we're at it.
So many lines in the sand we must have reached the shore line by now. I think the ancient Greeks called it the theater of the absurd.
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holdover said:
Im sure thats what they would have done, But I dont think the US has the stock piles required at the moment. I'm sure half is going to Israel and 1/4 to Ukraine . The US is ramping up production as fast as possible , but its going to take some time. it looks to me the ""peace process"" is just a stall tactic until the US can go in at a future date The Ukraine and Israel rate of fire over the last two-4 years is just eating up what we have . the ""peace plan"" makes a lot of sense as a strategic pause . Iran will be delt with on our time table , theres no escapeing that , but I dont believe we have the stockpiles to engage in a war which might take a few years .

If you think about it , Trump doesn't seem to care about tolls, money or giving Iran whatever they want for a peace deal. because he knows its only going to be temporary.

the other thing is drone warfare. The US needs to get up to speed on how to deal with mass drone attacks , and how to launch mass attacks from weapon systems and doctrine. Not saying they dont have some capability's now. but something new that has never been seen before and the mass production of them . Whole battalions of robot tanks , air mobile units long range units launched from planes and subs , new anti drone vehicle's

You want to be on the cutting edge of the new technology
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The drone thing is one component.

But AI is really going to be the game changer.

Imagine cheap drones, but they can autonomously identify targets.

Add in IFF transponders and now you just send a drone swarm into a battlefield and they find and kill everything that doesn't wear an American flag.
 
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I think that's the idea for the future. But you have to work around d the problem of reloading for one. Can't have a sustained battle without constant reloading.

Antidrone warfare will also advance, smaller fire and forget manpads,, hunter killer drones, picture a mark19 40 mm auto grenade launcher with flchette rounds, or proximity fuse,s mounted 3 gun teams on converted Bradley's, maybe 4 teams, maybe some kind of old style flak guns to attack swarms at a distance .

Microwave weapons that can fry electronics


One thing is for sure, drones are here to stay, and everyone has to adapt
 
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This high is not from the AI bubble. The AAPL (Apple) hasn't quite recovered from yesterday's AI hit but it's close. The rise today is from the likes of Home Depot, 3M, Sherwin Williams, Honeywell, and Boeing.

(I'll take the AAPL gain though, I'm sitting on over 500 shares I bought low on the advice of the Forrest Gump character after I bought the movie in VHS. Should have bought 5000 shares but I thought I already missed the Shrimp Boat )

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holdover said:
I think that's the idea for the future. But you have to work around d the problem of reloading for one. Can't have a sustained battle without constant reloading.

Antidrone warfare will also advance, smaller fire and forget manpads,, hunter killer drones, picture a mark19 40 mm auto grenade launcher with flchette rounds, or proximity fuse,s mounted 3 gun teams on converted Bradley's, maybe 4 teams, maybe some kind of old style flak guns to attack swarms at a distance .

Microwave weapons that can fry electronics


One thing is for sure, drones are here to stay, and everyone has to adapt
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The drones will *be* the munitions.

Produce them in high enough volume and you can get the per unit price down around a 155 artillery round.

They'll be EM hardened so the microwave won't drop them, they'll be autonomous, so you can't jam them.

Probably have some drone carrier missiles to extend the range too. Something like a tomahawk that can fly 500 miles then dispense 100 submunitions that fly out a mile looking for targets. Each one carrying a combination HEAT/frag warhead and the swarm coordinates who takes what target.

Defense for that will have to look like a laser CIWS, but those get expensive.

And the next stage includes a few drones with laser ablative armor that seek out that CIWS to take it out while the rest of the swarm waits for the clear.

Things are going to look seriously sci-fi in the next decade or two.

I would not be surprised to see orbitally dropped troops and equipment either.

Musk is talking about a fleet of 1000 starship.

Each can put 150-200 tons in orbit.

He just tested a re-entry pod today for dropping cargo back to earth independent of the ship.

That could put a battalion sized element anywhere on the planet in 45 mins with full equipment. Then the ships land and reload and do it again in a couple hours.

Resupply indefinitely that way, no matter where you are.
 
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