US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

spat · Wednesday at 8:14 PM

holdover said:
I was refering to ground based gun mounted drones

Now, make that thing carry fifty 10lb autonomous quadcopter drones with a 5 mile range.

Drive it in and unleash the swarm to go hunt.

Anti-drone munitions will have a hard time when they're flying an evasive pattern through the area at eye level and 50mph.

fresch · Wednesday at 8:23 PM

Cluster drones, from howitzer, rockets, air planes, icbms, under water, use stealth design, injection molded,

holdover · Wednesday at 10:16 PM

spat said:
Now, make that thing carry fifty 10lb autonomous quadcopter drones with a 5 mile range.

ground drones are just a different aspect . they could actually take and hold ground to some extent

spat said:
Anti-drone munitions will have a hard time when they're flying an evasive pattern through the area at eye level and 50mph.

extremely difficult to hit to numbers . the only thing that might have a chance is trained skeet shooters with 10 gauge in numbers

Mosinitis · Wednesday at 10:35 PM

Land drones should be easy to defend against. Just put up a smoke screen.
Even better, use something that will stick to the glass to disabled camera.

spat · Thursday at 5:23 AM

Mosinitis said:
Land drones should be easy to defend against. Just put up a smoke screen.
Even better, use something that will stick to the glass to disabled camera.

Wouldn't work any better against drones than they do humans.

That's not to say it's useless, that stuff does work against humans. It just wouldn't work any better against drones.

Mosinitis · Thursday at 6:15 AM

spat said:
Wouldn't work any better against drones than they do humans.

That's not to say it's useless, that stuff does work against humans. It just wouldn't work any better against drones.

The same version probably so. Something modified can do the trick. Optics can fog up or have residue deposits. Fixed distance off the ground should help with that.

spat · Thursday at 6:39 AM

Mosinitis said:
The same version probably so. Something modified can do the trick. Optics can fog up or have residue deposits. Fixed distance off the ground should help with that.

Humans wear goggles that have the same problem.

Without the goggles, the same techniques could permanently blind the humans. It would be a war crime to use that sort of smoke, but history has proven that it's only a war crime if you lose the war.

Defilade · Thursday at 10:25 AM

Except you have people that are weak and afraid and feel the need to protect us from the boogie man again.

Saltwater60 · Thursday at 7:28 PM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
I thought we almost had a deal.

Fears in Strait of Hormuz as tanker struck after Iran warned ships to turn back

Iran attacked a Singaporean cargo ship passing through the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday — hours after the regime threatened “violators” who didn’t obey its heavily-controlle…

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We still might depending on what side wins the battle to do battle in the USA or not. The deal might be let Iran do as they please.

Steal2B · Thursday at 8:03 PM

Israeli forces eliminate Hezbollah terrorists in southern Lebanon, IDF says

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Thursday that Israeli troops eliminated Hezbollah terrorists who posed a threat to soldiers operating in southern Lebanon.

The IDF said soldiers in Zawtar al-Sharqiya identified five Hezbollah terrorists in the Security Zone. In a separate incident, troops in the Ali al-Taher Ridge spotted an armed Hezbollah terrorist who also posed a threat.
The Israeli Air Force and ground forces fired on the terrorists and eliminated them, according to the IDF.

The military said troops remain active in the Ali al-Taher Ridge area and will continue working to prevent Hezbollah terrorists from operating there or exiting underground tunnel networks

Drinkthekoolaid · Thursday at 11:07 PM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
I thought we almost had a deal.

Fears in Strait of Hormuz as tanker struck after Iran warned ships to turn back

Iran attacked a Singaporean cargo ship passing through the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday — hours after the regime threatened “violators” who didn’t obey its heavily-controlle…

nypost.com

Free beer tomorrow

Saltwater60 · Friday at 5:59 AM

Steal2B said:
Israeli forces eliminate Hezbollah terrorists in southern Lebanon, IDF says

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Thursday that Israeli troops eliminated Hezbollah terrorists who posed a threat to soldiers operating in southern Lebanon.

The IDF said soldiers in Zawtar al-Sharqiya identified five Hezbollah terrorists in the Security Zone. In a separate incident, troops in the Ali al-Taher Ridge spotted an armed Hezbollah terrorist who also posed a threat.
The Israeli Air Force and ground forces fired on the terrorists and eliminated them, according to the IDF.

The military said troops remain active in the Ali al-Taher Ridge area and will continue working to prevent Hezbollah terrorists from operating there or exiting underground tunnel networks

How convenient. Right when they aren’t allowed to bomb Lebanon anymore.

fresch · Friday at 6:55 AM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
What do we actually fund with the defense budget? I thought it was for war and war related expenses, like being prepared for war. I guess not, if we go have this little war for a couple months and the pentagon is crying they need more money to pay for this little war that should have already been paid for. We should have been able to do it with a trillion dollar defense budget.

Looks like each net taxpayer will owe about $1000 to cover this supplemental bill. I haven't even seen any great video footage of this war, so I don't think I should have to pay extra.

Kinda like all taxes, we don't get more than the basics as the cream gets sucked off the top. Plus they keep adjusting where the money goes, for more sucking by the next political connected group. Then on your way home a dwi road block in case you still have any money.

Defilade · Friday at 5:33 PM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
What do we actually fund with the defense budget? I thought it was for war and war related expenses, like being prepared for war. I guess not, if we go have this little war for a couple months and the pentagon is crying they need more money to pay for this little war that should have already been paid for. We should have been able to do it with a trillion dollar defense budget.

Looks like each net taxpayer will owe about $1000 to cover this supplemental bill. I haven't even seen any great video footage of this war, so I don't think I should have to pay extra.

You will have to ask the War Dept. They will get back to ya in 2 weeks.

Steal2B · Friday at 8:32 PM

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Steal2B · Friday at 9:14 PM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
I knew it! We're getting really close to a deal now.

Steal2B · Friday at 9:21 PM

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
I wouldn't be surprised if certain defense contractors were providing a little financial incentive to select Iranian officials to keep the hostilities going.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Iranian Elected Branch, Clerical Leaders, and regular Military branch have zero reliable influence over the rogue IRGC. They could be playing Good Cop - Bad Cop but it looks like there really isn't any coordinated rule of law be it religious or civil.

spat · Saturday at 10:08 AM

Steal2B said:
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Damn, they've succumbed to the "proportional reaponse" trap and they're letting the diplomats run the war.

Iran DGAF how much you hurt them unless you hurt them so badly they can't hurt anyone else.

Tit for tat responses are exactly the game Iran wants to play.

This calls for "shock and awe", not "4 missile sites per ship struck".

The answer is not "how hard should we hit them". The answer is "how hard *can* we hit them".

fresch · Saturday at 4:43 PM

spat said:
Damn, they've succumbed to the "proportional reaponse" trap and they're letting the diplomats run the war.

Iran DGAF how much you hurt them unless you hurt them so badly they can't hurt anyone else.

Tit for tat responses are exactly the game Iran wants to play.

This calls for "shock and awe", not "4 missile sites per ship struck".

The answer is not "how hard should we hit them". The answer is "how hard *can* we hit them".

Again and again and again, until they bow/ take a knee.
They only know power, you or them one must rule. They rule heads roll. Not like you can't read this stuff in any book mind you.

tirwin1 · Saturday at 10:13 PM

spat said:
Damn, they've succumbed to the "proportional reaponse" trap and they're letting the diplomats run the war.

Iran DGAF how much you hurt them unless you hurt them so badly they can't hurt anyone else.

Tit for tat responses are exactly the game Iran wants to play.

This calls for "shock and awe", not "4 missile sites per ship struck".

The answer is not "how hard should we hit them". The answer is "how hard *can* we hit them".

I agree, but hitting them hard will spike oil and then gas prices in the US. Which will drag trump's poll numbers down as well as the republicans, especially since all mainstream news outlets will hammer relentlessly on the "affordability" issue going into the midterms. Trump is stuck and I don't see how this weekly violation of a ceasefire can last until the fall. We'll see. I do wonder if he could go back in time would Trump do the same thing.

spat · Saturday at 10:29 PM

tirwin1 said:
I agree, but hitting them hard will spike oil and then gas prices in the US. Which will drag trump's poll numbers down as well as the republicans, especially since all mainstream news outlets will hammer relentlessly on the "affordability" issue going into the midterms. Trump is stuck and I don't see how this weekly violation of a ceasefire can last until the fall. We'll see. I do wonder if he could go back in time would Trump do the same thing.

Depends on how close the intelligence says they really were to a bomb.

I *think* they were still a year or more out, unless they had some secret centrifuge cascade we didn't know about.

It doesn't take long to go from 60% to 90% for a bomb, but you do need a functional cascade to do it, and that would take a year or two to rebuild after Midnight Hammer, assuming they could get the parts.

It's possible there was some intelligence that suggested they might have had another facility somewhere unknown and we could have been worried they were going to be able to finish one soon, so we were under a time constraint.

If we were confident they didn't have one, I bet Trump would have to waited till after midterms.

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